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what are the readings in law school

Postby joetheplumber » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:02 pm

Do you have to read lots of opinions by judges because those are really boring...

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby MrPapagiorgio » Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:02 pm

What is this I don't even

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby NoJob » Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:07 pm

joetheplumber wrote:Do you have to read lots of opinions by judges because those are really boring...


Law school is a complete waste of time. You will read opinions about issues of law that were settled 200 years ago. No real world application whatsoever.

You will have no idea how to draft a complaint, how to defend a motion for summary judgment, how to draft discovery responses, how to get clients, or how to run a business and get clients. Law school is essentially a three-year expensive prereq to taking the bar exam.

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Postby 071816 » Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:08 pm

This thread fuckin sucks

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby Bildungsroman » Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:10 pm

joetheplumber wrote:Do you have to read lots of opinions by judges because those are really boring...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casebook_method

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby shoeshine » Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:34 pm

joetheplumber wrote:Do you have to read lots of opinions by judges because those are really boring...

Nah bro. It is pretty much just watching episodes of Law and Order.

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby pleasetryagain » Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:44 pm

shoeshine wrote:
joetheplumber wrote:Do you have to read lots of opinions by judges because those are really boring...

Nah bro. It is pretty much just watching episodes of Law and Order.


and "Suits." Most of you will end up in jobs like on "Suits" so pay attention.

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby joetheplumber » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:36 pm

pleasetryagain wrote:
shoeshine wrote:
joetheplumber wrote:Do you have to read lots of opinions by judges because those are really boring...

Nah bro. It is pretty much just watching episodes of Law and Order.


and "Suits." Most of you will end up in jobs like on "Suits" so pay attention.


oo suits, i like that show. I need someone to take the LSAT for me

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby typ3 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:10 am

NoJob wrote:
joetheplumber wrote:Do you have to read lots of opinions by judges because those are really boring...


Law school is a complete waste of time. You will read opinions about issues of law that were settled 200 years ago. No real world application whatsoever.

You will have no idea how to draft a complaint, how to defend a motion for summary judgment, how to draft discovery responses, how to get clients, or how to run a business and get clients. Law school is essentially a three-year expensive prereq to taking the bar exam.


TITCR. Best classes you can take in law school are the skills based classes. Negotiations, mediation, legal accounting etc. The other crap like feminism and the law, international law etc are worthless academic traps that people fall into. Unless you're at a t-14 and specifically a t-6 you're wasting your time pursing international law. Can't believe how many people i hear of at 16-50 schools that think they're going to do international law.

Learn basic legal firm skills and you will be a lot more desirable to employers.

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby Happy Endings » Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:53 pm

typ3 wrote:
NoJob wrote:
joetheplumber wrote:Do you have to read lots of opinions by judges because those are really boring...


Law school is a complete waste of time. You will read opinions about issues of law that were settled 200 years ago. No real world application whatsoever.

You will have no idea how to draft a complaint, how to defend a motion for summary judgment, how to draft discovery responses, how to get clients, or how to run a business and get clients. Law school is essentially a three-year expensive prereq to taking the bar exam.


TITCR. Best classes you can take in law school are the skills based classes. Negotiations, mediation, legal accounting etc. The other crap like feminism and the law, international law etc are worthless academic traps that people fall into. Unless you're at a t-14 and specifically a t-6 you're wasting your time pursing international law. Can't believe how many people i hear of at 16-50 schools that think they're going to do international law.

Learn basic legal firm skills and you will be a lot more desirable to employers.


Typ3's comments about the greater value of skill based classes is understandable. However, I would imagine that lawyering has just as much to do with the understanding of the law (ie historical precedents/principles gleaned through subjects such as international law, feminism movement), as it does with the application of the law (ie through skill-based classes previously mentioned). For example, a doctor is not simply one because he/she has been trained to perform various physical exam techniques, but also because of the distinct understanding of pathophysiology (among other subjects).

But hey...this is my first post and I am not in law school yet-so hopefully I find out first-hand next year!! :lol:

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:07 pm

Happy Endings wrote:
typ3 wrote:
NoJob wrote:
joetheplumber wrote:Do you have to read lots of opinions by judges because those are really boring...


Law school is a complete waste of time. You will read opinions about issues of law that were settled 200 years ago. No real world application whatsoever.

You will have no idea how to draft a complaint, how to defend a motion for summary judgment, how to draft discovery responses, how to get clients, or how to run a business and get clients. Law school is essentially a three-year expensive prereq to taking the bar exam.


TITCR. Best classes you can take in law school are the skills based classes. Negotiations, mediation, legal accounting etc. The other crap like feminism and the law, international law etc are worthless academic traps that people fall into. Unless you're at a t-14 and specifically a t-6 you're wasting your time pursing international law. Can't believe how many people i hear of at 16-50 schools that think they're going to do international law.

Learn basic legal firm skills and you will be a lot more desirable to employers.


Typ3's comments about the greater value of skill based classes is understandable. However, I would imagine that lawyering has just as much to do with the understanding of the law (ie historical precedents/principles gleaned through subjects such as international law, feminism movement), as it does with the application of the law (ie through skill-based classes previously mentioned). For example, a doctor is not simply one because he/she has been trained to perform various physical exam techniques, but also because of the distinct understanding of pathophysiology (among other subjects).

But hey...this is my first post and I am not in law school yet-so hopefully I find out first-hand next year!! :lol:


You are imagining wrong.

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby downing » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:48 pm

Nicholasnickynic wrote:
Happy Endings wrote:
Typ3's comments about the greater value of skill based classes is understandable. However, I would imagine that lawyering has just as much to do with the understanding of the law (ie historical precedents/principles gleaned through subjects such as international law, feminism movement), as it does with the application of the law (ie through skill-based classes previously mentioned). For example, a doctor is not simply one because he/she has been trained to perform various physical exam techniques, but also because of the distinct understanding of pathophysiology (among other subjects).

But hey...this is my first post and I am not in law school yet-so hopefully I find out first-hand next year!! :lol:


You are imagining wrong.


NOT if he wants to be a professor of feminism and the law, or international law and the law.

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:36 pm

downing wrote:
Nicholasnickynic wrote:
Happy Endings wrote:
Typ3's comments about the greater value of skill based classes is understandable. However, I would imagine that lawyering has just as much to do with the understanding of the law (ie historical precedents/principles gleaned through subjects such as international law, feminism movement), as it does with the application of the law (ie through skill-based classes previously mentioned). For example, a doctor is not simply one because he/she has been trained to perform various physical exam techniques, but also because of the distinct understanding of pathophysiology (among other subjects).

But hey...this is my first post and I am not in law school yet-so hopefully I find out first-hand next year!! :lol:


You are imagining wrong.


NOT if he wants to be a professor of feminism and the law, or international law and the law.


Actually, probably not. I bet most professors that teach woman law or w/e never took it.
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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby blsingindisguise » Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:23 pm

My understanding of how patriarchy is embedded in the language of the law really came in handy in the Motion to Compel Production of Documents I just filed.

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby Nicholasnickynic » Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:48 pm

blsingindisguise wrote:My understanding of how patriarchy is embedded in the language of the law really came in handy in the Motion to Compel Production of Documents I just filed.


This.

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby pleasetryagain » Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:30 pm

Nicholasnickynic wrote:
You are imagining wrong.


also, pathophysiology is not nearly the same thing as the development of legal doctrine.. not even close.. not by a long shot.

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby Happy Endings » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:48 pm

LOL! I appreciate your candor :wink: Since I am just starting in the application process and haven't started law school yet...I am just getting excited at the prospect of all the potential courses, skill-based or not.

Nic-Imagination does not ALWAYS equal certainty...by definition its mental formation is of something not actually present to the senses (ie someone not yet in law school). But it does beg the question...how much of what we will learn will we actually use? Anyway before I forget->Back in Black...classic.

BLS-speechless...too funny!

Pleasetry-Can't argue with that....in part because I haven't taken any law school courses yet.

Are all you guys 1L or 2Ls?? What are your experiences so far in law school??? Pls do tell!!

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby Angus MacGyver » Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:18 am

joetheplumber wrote:Do you have to read lots of opinions by judges because those are really boring...


Sometimes you get to read opinions by magistrates, and justices. Lil' variety :wink: .

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Postby 23402385985 » Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:31 am

NoJob wrote:You will have no idea how to draft a complaint, how to defend a motion for summary judgment, how to draft discovery responses, how to get clients, or how to run a business and get clients. Law school is essentially a three-year expensive prereq to taking the bar exam.


Just learned how to draft a complaint the other day, actually.

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Re: what are the readings in law school

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joncrooshal wrote:
NoJob wrote:You will have no idea how to draft a complaint, how to defend a motion for summary judgment, how to draft discovery responses, how to get clients, or how to run a business and get clients. Law school is essentially a three-year expensive prereq to taking the bar exam.


Just learned how to draft a complaint the other day, actually.


If you "learned" this skill in a law school you didn't actually learn how to do it.

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby 23402385985 » Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:15 pm

reasonable_man wrote:
joncrooshal wrote:
NoJob wrote:You will have no idea how to draft a complaint, how to defend a motion for summary judgment, how to draft discovery responses, how to get clients, or how to run a business and get clients. Law school is essentially a three-year expensive prereq to taking the bar exam.


Just learned how to draft a complaint the other day, actually.


If you "learned" this skill in a law school you didn't actually learn how to do it.


We learned how to draft and file a complaint. We've been making our own complaints in Civ Pro since our professor says he hates how law school teaches you nothing practical about actually being a lawyer.

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby Bronte » Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:00 pm

I was asked to draft a complaint the first day of my 1L internship. I looked at some old complaints, and the complaint I drafted was filed as is. By the end of the internship, I had written multiple 20 plus page motions and briefs that were again filed as i'd written them. What I'd learned in law school helped me research on Westlaw, synthesize caselaw into rules, and properly cite authority. The extent to which you don't learn anything in law school is overblown by burned out cynics.

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Re: what are the readings in law school

Postby 23402385985 » Sat Oct 15, 2011 5:10 pm

Bronte wrote:I was asked to draft a complaint the first day of my 1L internship. I looked at some old complaints, and the complaint I drafted was filed as is. By the end of the internship, I had written multiple 20 plus page motions and briefs that were again filed as i'd written them. What I'd learned in law school helped me research on Westlaw, synthesize caselaw into rules, and properly cite authority. The extent to which you don't learn anything in law school is overblown by burned out cynics.


I've heard it a mix of both. My good friend said that he had to teach himself everything. I guess it will come easy for some and hard for others. Though I admit that I appreciate having my Civ Pro professor teach us how to draft a complaint and all. We are doing a synthesized trial over the course of the semester and going through each step as you would take it in real life.




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