Employment situation really that dire?

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby MTal » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:26 am

Gecko of Doom wrote:OMG. Where do I sign up?


I'll take being a hot-topic manager 5 years out of high school, over an 150k indebted TTT shitlawyer making 35k with no benefits or savings, any day of the week.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby NZA » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:29 am

MTal wrote:
Gecko of Doom wrote:OMG. Where do I sign up?


I'll take being a hot-topic manager 5 years out of high school, over an 150k indebted TTT shitlawyer making 35k with no benefits or savings, any day of the week.

I'd take being captain of an Intrepid-class starship over a Galaxy-class starship any day of the week.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby Gecko of Doom » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:30 am

MTal wrote:
Gecko of Doom wrote:OMG. Where do I sign up?


I'll take being a hot-topic manager 5 years out of high school, over an 150k indebted TTT shitlawyer making 35k with no benefits or savings, any day of the week.

We don't all have what it takes.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby Naked Dude » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:31 am

glitter178 wrote:
MTal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
MTal wrote:The employment situation is much, MUCH worse than anyone who is not in law school could possibly imagine.


+1

As MTal has suggested earlier, working at Hot Topic in the mall is where the upward mobility is. In no time at all, you'll be running the mall, making well over six figures, and have no debt. MTal and I guesstimate this should take you five years max.


After 5 years if you are talented and work hard, you could become the hot topic store manager, with a salary of prolly around 60k. Considering that, plus the benefits, plus being able to leave work at work, and it's really not that bad of a gig, especially when compared with shitlaw.

IBT STFU. Also, aren't you not in law school anymore? What's your motivation? You're like the 40 year old who keeps hanging around the high school thinking the 18 year old girls are interested in your stories.


Not to mention the fact that he's been here since 2007. Imagine! Since I was a naive college freshman. There are infinitely more useful posters who drop off the radar after months, whose pearls of wisdom are distilled into a few dozen posts, and yet...and yet...

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby Helmholtz » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:32 am

MTal wrote:
Gecko of Doom wrote:OMG. Where do I sign up?


I'll take being a hot-topic manager 5 years out of high school, over an 150k indebted TTT shitlawyer making 35k with no benefits or savings, any day of the week.


I don't know how it is at Hot Topic, but the store in the mall I worked at for a little while during UG required store managers to have a bachelor's degree. They had a lot of school debt, often worked 60+ hours a week, and started out at $30k. I know you're often out of touch with reality and don't really understand how shitty it is for a lot of non-lawyers, but come on man.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby MTal » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:33 am

Helmholtz wrote:
MTal wrote:you could become the hot topic store manager, with a salary of prolly around 60k.


I doubt most Hot Topic managers even touch the $40k mark.


Read it and weep. Top hot-topic managers make 59k plus 7k in bonus. Shitty managers make less, but that's to be expected.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby Gecko of Doom » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:34 am

Naked Dude wrote:Not to mention the fact that he's been here since 2007. Imagine! Since I was a naive college freshman. There are infinitely more useful posters who drop off the radar after months, whose pearls of wisdom are distilled into a few dozen posts, and yet...and yet...

Dude, somebody's got to do the trolling for the Hot Topic HR department. Don't hate the player.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby NZA » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:35 am

MTal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
MTal wrote:you could become the hot topic store manager, with a salary of prolly around 60k.


I doubt most Hot Topic managers even touch the $40k mark.


Read it and weep. Top hot-topic managers make 59k plus 7k in bonus. Shitty managers make less, but that's to be expected.

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I'm upset that you don't want to talk about Star Trek.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby soj » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:37 am

I appreciate that MTal is online imparting his wisdom rather than spending the night with a hot black girl.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby Helmholtz » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:37 am

MTal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
MTal wrote:you could become the hot topic store manager, with a salary of prolly around 60k.


I doubt most Hot Topic managers even touch the $40k mark.


Read it and weep. Top hot-topic managers make 59k plus 7k in bonus. Shitty managers make less, but that's to be expected.

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My sample size = bigger.

Ah, it's sometimes nice to view the thought process of a brain that thought it was a swell idea to go to some shitty school in a saturated market and then drop out after a year. Keep up the good work.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby Gecko of Doom » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:38 am

NZA wrote:
MTal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
MTal wrote:you could become the hot topic store manager, with a salary of prolly around 60k.


I doubt most Hot Topic managers even touch the $40k mark.


Read it and weep. Top hot-topic managers make 59k plus 7k in bonus. Shitty managers make less, but that's to be expected.

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I'm upset that you don't want to talk about Star Trek.

I'll bite. Your preference for the Intrepid class is credited. Whenever I played Star Trek: Starship Creator, I always picked Intrepid.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby Helmholtz » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:39 am

MTal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
MTal wrote:you could become the hot topic store manager, with a salary of prolly around 60k.


I doubt most Hot Topic managers even touch the $40k mark.


Read it and weep. Top hot-topic managers make 59k plus 7k in bonus. Shitty managers make less, but that's to be expected.

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Also, you'll notice that the topic row includes bonuses. That's what "total pay" means. Again, I love to see how your brain works.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby MTal » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:41 am

Helmholtz wrote:
MTal wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
MTal wrote:you could become the hot topic store manager, with a salary of prolly around 60k.


I doubt most Hot Topic managers even touch the $40k mark.


Read it and weep. Top hot-topic managers make 59k plus 7k in bonus. Shitty managers make less, but that's to be expected.

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My sample size = bigger.

Ah, it's sometimes nice to view the thought process of a brain that thought it was a swell idea to go to some shitty school in a saturated market and then drop out after a year. Keep up the good work.


My original contention was that it's possible to make 60k as a hot topic manager, and here I have a sample that says some make even MORE than that. Yeah, managers who are not on top of things will most likely make less, but that is still far better than shitlaw, so my original argument stands.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby NZA » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:41 am

Gecko of Doom wrote:I'll bite. Your preference for the Intrepid class is credited. Whenever I played Star Trek: Starship Creator, I always picked Intrepid.

I. Loved. That. Game. :shock:

...but my broader point is that MTal's pointlessness and hypothetical jackoffery surpasses even the most absurd of starship v. starship debate.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby Helmholtz » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:43 am

MTal wrote:My original contention was that it's possible to make 60k as a hot topic manager, and here I have a sample that says some make even MORE than that.


Wait, who made more than $60k? Also, that was not your fucking contention at all. It was "become a Hot Topic manager -> make $60k."

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby MTal » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:44 am

NZA wrote:
Gecko of Doom wrote:I'll bite. Your preference for the Intrepid class is credited. Whenever I played Star Trek: Starship Creator, I always picked Intrepid.

I. Loved. That. Game. :shock:

...but my broader point is that MTal's pointlessness and hypothetical jackoffery surpasses even the most absurd of starship v. starship debate.


So you disagree with my contention that being a hot-topic manager is worse than being a heavily indebted TTT shitlaw loser?

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby Helmholtz » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:45 am

glitter178 wrote:IBT STFU. Also, aren't you not in law school anymore? What's your motivation?


Considering the fact that he loiters around a place filled with people who are succeeding where he so horrifically failed, my guess is masochism.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby NZA » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:46 am

MTal wrote:
NZA wrote:
Gecko of Doom wrote:I'll bite. Your preference for the Intrepid class is credited. Whenever I played Star Trek: Starship Creator, I always picked Intrepid.

I. Loved. That. Game. :shock:

...but my broader point is that MTal's pointlessness and hypothetical jackoffery surpasses even the most absurd of starship v. starship debate.


So you disagree with my contention that being a hot-topic manager is worse than being a heavily indebted TTT shitlaw loser?

No, I refuse to even engage in a discussion of what-is-worse because the intangibles of reality impede any potential fruitfulness said discussion could provide.

In other words, your approach to this situation is foolish because its premise (that everyone is looking for X in their employment situation, and thus Y is obviously a far better choice ALWAYS than Z) is absurd.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby Helmholtz » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:49 am

MTal wrote:So you disagree with my contention that being a hot-topic manager is worse than being a heavily indebted TTT shitlaw loser?


Being a Hot Topic Manager is relatively high up on the mall food chain. A "heavily indebted TTT shitlaw loser" is at the absolute lowest point on the law food chain. Why the fuck are you even comparing these? Since when did "Person A who is doing relatively well in profession X" earn the comparison to "Person B who crashed and burned in profession Y"?

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby MTal » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:53 am

NZA wrote:
MTal wrote:
NZA wrote:
Gecko of Doom wrote:I'll bite. Your preference for the Intrepid class is credited. Whenever I played Star Trek: Starship Creator, I always picked Intrepid.

I. Loved. That. Game. :shock:

...but my broader point is that MTal's pointlessness and hypothetical jackoffery surpasses even the most absurd of starship v. starship debate.


So you disagree with my contention that being a hot-topic manager is worse than being a heavily indebted TTT shitlaw loser?

No, I refuse to even engage in a discussion of what-is-worse because the intangibles of reality impede any potential fruitfulness said discussion could provide.

In other words, your approach to this situation is foolish because its premise (that everyone is looking for X in their employment situation, and thus Y is obviously a far better choice ALWAYS than Z) is absurd.


Ok, can you list an example where working 60 hour weeks for 35k with no benefits and 150k debt is better than working 50 hour weeks at hot-topic for 50k a year with benefits and no debt? Perhaps some degenerate would actually prefer such an outcome (perhaps an individual so obsessed with prestige that he is willing to take a MASSIVE cut in quality of live for the "priviledge" of being able to call himself a lawyer), but the vast, VAST majority of people would recoil at such a choice. Most people who go to law school do not see themselves in that situation, but that is precisely the one that they find themselves after 3 years. I suspect many 3L's here would literally jump at the chance to make 50k at hot-topic.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby MTal » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:56 am

Helmholtz wrote:
MTal wrote:So you disagree with my contention that being a hot-topic manager is worse than being a heavily indebted TTT shitlaw loser?


Being a Hot Topic Manager is relatively high up on the mall food chain. A "heavily indebted TTT shitlaw loser" is at the absolute lowest point on the law food chain. Why the fuck are you even comparing these? Since when did "Person A who is doing relatively well in profession X" earn the comparison to "Person B who crashed and burned in profession Y"?


1. It's not the lowest point. Doc review and full-on unemployment are lower. 2. Of all the students who WILL get legal jobs, a large majority WILL end up in shitlaw since biglaw/government/clerkships make up only a small fraction of the total legal jobs available.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby NZA » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:03 am

MTal wrote:
NZA wrote:No, I refuse to even engage in a discussion of what-is-worse because the intangibles of reality impede any potential fruitfulness said discussion could provide.

In other words, your approach to this situation is foolish because its premise (that everyone is looking for X in their employment situation, and thus Y is obviously a far better choice ALWAYS than Z) is absurd.


Ok, can you list an example where working 60 hour weeks for 35k with no benefits and 150k debt is better than working 50 hour weeks at hot-topic for 50k a year with benefits and no debt? Perhaps some degenerate would actually prefer such an outcome (perhaps an individual so obsessed with prestige that he is willing to take a MASSIVE cut in quality of live for the "priviledge" of being able to call himself a lawyer), but the vast, VAST majority of people would recoil at such a choice. Most people who go to law school do not see themselves in that situation, but that is precisely the one that they find themselves after 3 years. I suspect many 3L's here would literally jump at the chance to make 50k at hot-topic.

My points are that you are 1) comparing apples to oranges and that 2) one seek out a shitty mall job because of the chance that they may fail at their dream career and 3) your thinking is completely backwards and cowardly.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby SarahKerrigan » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:25 am

@OP if id have to take an uneducated guess id say its not as bad as people make it seem. I think that a JD should help you in any career that you end up choosing. Even if your job doesn't require a JD, it can indirectly help you. I mean no job is going to say "requires philosophy degree", but their are skills that you will gain from majoring and taking philosophy classes. With all of that being said, i do think it is very important to find out all of the information, and really look into everything before going to law school. It's to big of an investment of time and money to not be cautious.

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby ResolutePear » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:28 am

Because life is all about absolutes. True story.

On the other hand, retail management is horrible. At 60k, you're a sr. store manager. You'll work 60 hours a week, and god forbid you don't meet your quotas for a couple quarters.

Did I mention that at 50, you'll probably have a top-tier MBA 25 y/o deciding whether or not you're up for a promotion to a higher-traffic venue... 30 miles away from that location?

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Re: Employment situation really that dire?

Postby MTal » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:33 am

ResolutePear wrote:Because life is all about absolutes. True story.

On the other hand, retail management is horrible. At 60k, you're a sr. store manager. You'll work 60 hours a week, and god forbid you don't meet your quotas for a couple quarters.

Did I mention that at 50, you'll probably have a top-tier MBA 25 y/o deciding whether or not you're up for a promotion to a higher-traffic venue... 30 miles away from that location?


Same story at my job dude, we're all under pressure to meet targets, but that's even MORE true of law practice, and shitlaw especially. You are expected to bring in clients and be a "rainmaker", if you can't, then the firm has no use for you.




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