How to use E&E's

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rawrab
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How to use E&E's

Postby rawrab » Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:42 pm

Sorry this is a really dumb question - How do you use E&E's? For example, for my civ pro class we were assigned 2 cases relating to personal jurisdiction. I get how to read a case and extract the BLL out of it but the E&E seems like its full of a lot of extraneous info. Are you supposed to just read everything about, say jurisdiction, or only what it says relating to the assigned cases?

Also, do you only need to know the BLL from the specific cases that you were assigned or do you need to know like all the rules and everything there is to know about the subject (like personal jurisdiction).

I'm having a really hard time grasping this whole thing so any help would be greatly appreciated!!

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Re: How to use E&E's

Postby trialjunky » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:14 pm

rawrab wrote:Sorry this is a really dumb question - How do you use E&E's? For example, for my civ pro class we were assigned 2 cases relating to personal jurisdiction. I get how to read a case and extract the BLL out of it but the E&E seems like its full of a lot of extraneous info. Are you supposed to just read everything about, say jurisdiction, or only what it says relating to the assigned cases?

Also, do you only need to know the BLL from the specific cases that you were assigned or do you need to know like all the rules and everything there is to know about the subject (like personal jurisdiction).

I'm having a really hard time grasping this whole thing so any help would be greatly appreciated!!


For me, I read the major section that applies, especially if I'm struggling with a topic. So, I would read the whole section on personal jurisdiction.

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Re: How to use E&E's

Postby rdcws000 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:08 am

In general, don't think of the E & E as a source to teach you anything. In other words, use it only to supplement topics you have already discussed in class.

When I finished a major topic, say, personal jurisdiction, I would read the chapter on personal jurisdiction, and go over the examples to test myself. I didn't take notes out of the book, or change anything I learned in class. This was just to supplement, and in some cases provide examples of a certain concept that I didn't quite get out of the case.

In areas where the E & E strays from what my professor taught, I ignored it. I would skip the section in the book. For example, in the relatively unguided erie choice section, the E & E kept referring to different methodologies of analysis, such as Hanna part 1, and Hanna part 2. Now we read Hanna in class, but my prof did not use the terminology Hanna 1 and Hanna 2, and he in fact made it much simpler for us to grasp. So, I completely ignored this chapter in the E & E.

Remember, what your prof is looking for reigns supreme. Don't learn anything you don't need to learn. Use E & E's for practice and clarification only. (Also, I don't recommend buying an E & E for any class unless a prof recommends it, but that is just my opinion).

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Re: How to use E&E's

Postby MC Southstar » Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:15 am

I disagree, I found E&E a much better resource to learning a number of topics than the actual textbook, namely in civ pro.

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Re: How to use E&E's

Postby rdcws000 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:11 am

MC Southstar wrote:I disagree, I found E&E a much better resource to learning a number of topics than the actual textbook, namely in civ pro.


I would agree with you in a class where the professor was unhelpful and you had to "teach yourself" the material. For my part, I was fortunate enough to have had all my 1st year professors cover what they wanted us to know. In these situations, any additional material presented by the E & E was unnecessary.

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Re: How to use E&E's

Postby Adjudicator » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:55 pm

I'm reading the E&E for Civ Pro, and what I'm doing is just reading the parts that are related to the concepts that the professor has been talking about in class. I feel that it somewhat helps to clarify and elucidate the key concepts.

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Re: How to use E&E's

Postby seaguy2010 » Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:28 am

I use the E&E alongside the class material and try to have it read before going into class. For example if talking about personal jurisdiction, have those chapters (I think it's the first few) read from the E&E. It gives you the big picture. Then, you can use class and case work as a way to supplement it. The cases become a lot more fun and entertaining because you're seeing how they fit into this broader picture, rather than trying to learn the law FROM the case. In addition, you can spend more time playing around with key facts and seeing where that would place the case in the context of what you're learning. But reiterating what someone said before, make sure that you know what the prof is focusing on, and guide the E&E reading to that discussion. The point of reading it before is to get an overview, but certainly go back to the E&E during the topic in order to focus in on some major points presented.

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Re: How to use E&E's

Postby leobowski » Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:55 am

1. Read the chapter after you finish a topic. Take notes to put into your outline (if you want). A lot of times the E&E will phrase something or break it down better than your professor will. Do the hypos and actually think about them before you flip to the answers. Go back and the end of the semester and do the hypos again with your outline.

2. ??????

3. Success!

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Re: How to use E&E's

Postby seaguy2010 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:40 am

leobowski wrote:1. Read the chapter after you finish a topic. Take notes to put into your outline (if you want). A lot of times the E&E will phrase something or break it down better than your professor will. Do the hypos and actually think about them before you flip to the answers. Go back and the end of the semester and do the hypos again with your outline.

2. ??????

3. Success!


I like to read the chapter fairly quickly before the class just to give me an overall idea to frame the cases and class work. But I think it's an excellent idea to go back at the end of the semester and use the outline to answer the questions. Maybe even marking certain questions that were particularly relevant and then making sure to revisit them. Great advice.

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Re: How to use E&E's

Postby Stringer6 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 12:51 am

If you read the supplement before thecasebook/class, don't you risk covering stuff not covered in the class? I've been reading supplements on weekends to review what was covered the previous week.




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