t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

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t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby senorhosh » Sun Jun 19, 2011 5:17 am

Is a a median class ranking in Vanderbilt or Northwestern better than top 10% at t40?

I'm not talking about any of the t6 but the high t14's (northwestern or Duke).

And how about top 10% at t50?

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby zanda » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:24 am

Top 10% at t40 is probably better (although it certainly depends on the t14 and the market), but this should not influence one's choice of schools as one cannot expect to place considerably better in a t40 class than a t14 class.

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby flcath » Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:27 am

zanda wrote:Top 10% at t40 is probably better (although it certainly depends on the t14 and the market), but this should not influence one's choice of schools as one cannot expect to place considerably better in a t40 class than a t14 class.

Yup.

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby rayiner » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:13 am

Top 10% at T50. Buy it swings quite quickly the other way. I'd rather be top 1/3 at a T14 than top 10% at one of T50s that aren't Fordham. Or median at a T14 than top 20% at a T50. At most T50s pre-screening and reporting of class rank kills students outside the magic cut-offs.

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby KevinP » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:22 am

"t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?"
senorhosh wrote:Is a a median class ranking in Vanderbilt or Northwestern better than top 10% at t40?

I'm not talking about any of the t6 but the high t14's (northwestern or Duke).

And how about top 10% at t50?

Subtle Georgetown trolling.

rayiner wrote:Top 10% at T50. Buy it swings quite quickly the other way. I'd rather be top 1/3 at a T14 than top 10% at one of T50s that aren't Fordham. Or median at a T14 than top 20% at a T50. At most T50s pre-screening and reporting of class rank kills students outside the magic cut-offs.

+1

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby Helmholtz » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:45 am

After you finish median at your T14, travel in your time machine to the time you were deciding schools, choose the T40, and finish in the top 10%, re-create this thread. We will advise you on what to do next. hth

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby Rock-N-Roll » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:46 am

Is it not messed-up that we all don't have the data to definitively answer this question?

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby beach_terror » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:45 am

senorhosh wrote:Is a a median class ranking in Vanderbilt or Northwestern better than top 10% at t40?

I'm not talking about any of the t6 but the high t14's (northwestern or Duke).

And how about top 10% at t50?

There is no distinction between top 10% at a t40, a t50, and in most cases a t100. HTH.

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby wildcat25 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:17 pm

rayiner wrote:Top 10% at T50. Buy it swings quite quickly the other way. I'd rather be top 1/3 at a T14 than top 10% at one of T50s that aren't Fordham. Or median at a T14 than top 20% at a T50. At most T50s pre-screening and reporting of class rank kills students outside the magic cut-offs.



What makes you exclude Fordham from that list of T50s? I'm not disagreeing, just genuinely curious (I'm in the process of deciding what schools to apply to)

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby kaiser » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:20 pm

Depends on which T40 school you are talking. I'd much rather be top 10% at GW, Fordham, BU or BC than median at almost any T14 short of the T6, and even at that level, its a toss up which spot I'd rather be in.

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby rayiner » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:56 pm

wildcat25 wrote:
rayiner wrote:Top 10% at T50. Buy it swings quite quickly the other way. I'd rather be top 1/3 at a T14 than top 10% at one of T50s that aren't Fordham. Or median at a T14 than top 20% at a T50. At most T50s pre-screening and reporting of class rank kills students outside the magic cut-offs.



What makes you exclude Fordham from that list of T50s? I'm not disagreeing, just genuinely curious (I'm in the process of deciding what schools to apply to)


NYC firms still hire from top 10% at Fordham. Most don't even do OCI at the rest of the T50.

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby Redfactor » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:42 pm

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby rayiner » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:05 pm

Redfactor wrote:
rayiner wrote:NYC firms still hire from top 10% at Fordham. Most don't even do OCI at the rest of the T50.



I was under the impression that most of the firms dip down the rankings for diversity hires. So, when it's 10% of Fordham, it's actually more like top 5% and then diversity hires and people with contacts.

Is this not correct?


I meant for your average white guy student. Also the CW is true to an extent but overstated.

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby quixotical » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:05 pm

rayiner wrote:
Redfactor wrote:
rayiner wrote:NYC firms still hire from top 10% at Fordham. Most don't even do OCI at the rest of the T50.



I was under the impression that most of the firms dip down the rankings for diversity hires. So, when it's 10% of Fordham, it's actually more like top 5% and then diversity hires and people with contacts.

Is this not correct?


I meant for your average white guy student. Also the CW is true to an extent but overstated.


Does it change for your average white girl student?

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby Grizz » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:10 pm

quixotical wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Redfactor wrote:
rayiner wrote:NYC firms still hire from top 10% at Fordham. Most don't even do OCI at the rest of the T50.



I was under the impression that most of the firms dip down the rankings for diversity hires. So, when it's 10% of Fordham, it's actually more like top 5% and then diversity hires and people with contacts.

Is this not correct?


I meant for your average white guy student. Also the CW is true to an extent but overstated.


Does it change for your average white girl student?


Let's be PC for quix. Average white PERSON. Men and womyn alike.

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby senorhosh » Wed Jun 22, 2011 7:43 pm

Helmholtz wrote:After you finish median at your T14, travel in your time machine to the time you were deciding schools, choose the T40, and finish in the top 10%, re-create this thread. We will advise you on what to do next. hth


will do.
thanks.

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby quixotical » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:17 pm

rad law wrote:Let's be PC for quix. Average white PERSON. Men and womyn alike.


I love how men hurl accusations of PC around to avoid admitting that their statements could be read as exclusionary and offensive. At any rate, it wasn't about being PC, it was about being clear that women aren't considered diversity hires. HTH.

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby Grizz » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:27 pm

quixotical wrote:
rad law wrote:Let's be PC for quix. Average white PERSON. Men and womyn alike.


I love how men hurl accusations of PC around to avoid admitting that their statements could be read as exclusionary and offensive. At any rate, it wasn't about being PC, it was about being clear that women aren't considered diversity hires. HTH.


Dude. I'm fucking with you.

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby quixotical » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:28 pm

rad law wrote:
quixotical wrote:
rad law wrote:Let's be PC for quix. Average white PERSON. Men and womyn alike.


I love how men hurl accusations of PC around to avoid admitting that their statements could be read as exclusionary and offensive. At any rate, it wasn't about being PC, it was about being clear that women aren't considered diversity hires. HTH.


Dude. I'm fucking with you.


Clearly. :lol:

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby rayiner » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:47 pm

quixotical wrote:
rad law wrote:Let's be PC for quix. Average white PERSON. Men and womyn alike.


I love how men hurl accusations of PC around to avoid admitting that their statements could be read as exclusionary and offensive. At any rate, it wasn't about being PC, it was about being clear that women aren't considered diversity hires. HTH.


I wasn't being exclusionary and offensive. I meant white guys. I believe that being a pretty girl gives a small boost.

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby quixotical » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:49 pm

rayiner wrote:
quixotical wrote:
rad law wrote:Let's be PC for quix. Average white PERSON. Men and womyn alike.


I love how men hurl accusations of PC around to avoid admitting that their statements could be read as exclusionary and offensive. At any rate, it wasn't about being PC, it was about being clear that women aren't considered diversity hires. HTH.


I wasn't being exclusionary and offensive. I meant white guys. I believe that being a pretty girl gives a small boost.


I thought you might mean specifically men, which is why I asked. Also, yay for the potential for a small boost :wink:

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby Redfactor » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:03 pm

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby quixotical » Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:55 am

Redfactor wrote:
I don't think he wrote "pretty girl" for nothing.


LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!11!!

I'm sorry, and you are? Or, should I say, whose alt are you?

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby senorhosh » Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:58 pm

G. T. L. Rev. wrote:It bears repeating that OP's question has embedded in it the idiotic fallacy that one is likely to finish top 10% at the T50. Seems like a minor point, or one easily rationalized, but neither of those things is true. That one, simple, stupid assumption has driven tons of recent students deep into debt, with no realistic prospect of paying it off any time soon.


I guess I should have added "how much more difficult is it to finish top 10 at t50 than median at t14?" in the original post.

Okay I guess I'll ask it now: how much more difficult is it to finish top 10 at t50 than median at t14?

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Re: t14 median class ranking or t40 top 10?

Postby reverendt » Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:29 pm

I would say it's much more difficult to finish top 10% at T50 than median at T14.
Wherever you go, odds are you will perform about median. I think you're have to look at vastly different schools (have T14 numbers and attend Cooley or something) to gain a marked advantage in predicting a high class rank.




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