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So that's the deal ?!

Postby Qwerty12345 » Thu May 19, 2011 6:30 pm

People have been saying again and again how much law school admissions are just a "number game". So basically if you are the regular 22-years-old college grad with a 180 (first sitting)), a 4.0 (all As, no minuses but no pluses to bring up lower grades) and very good writing skills, are you guaranteed to get into HYS, regardless of your major, school and complete absence of law-related ECs ? Could you get a full-scholarship at a T10 (let's say any of HYSBCCPMNV no order to read here) ? Would that be the same answer if you were applying to a JD/MA in International Relations joint program ?

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Postby shoeshine » Thu May 19, 2011 6:33 pm

Qwerty12345 wrote:People have been saying again and again how much law school admissions are just a "number game". So basically if you are the regular 22-years-old college grad with a 170 (first sitting)), a 4.0 (all As, no minuses but no pluses to bring up lower grades) and very good writing skills, are you guaranteed to get into HYS, regardless of your major, school and complete absence of law-related ECs ? Could you get a full-scholarship at a T10 (let's say any of HYSBCCPMNV no order to read here) ? Would that be the same answer if you were applying to a JD/MA in International Relations joint program ?

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173+ and probably the answer is yes for all but Yale. There are no Yale guarantees!

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby ResolutePear » Thu May 19, 2011 6:36 pm

Qwerty12345 wrote:People have been saying again and again how much law school admissions are just a "number game". So basically if you are the regular 22-years-old college grad with a 180 (first sitting)), a 4.0 (all As, no minuses but no pluses to bring up lower grades) and very good writing skills, are you guaranteed to get into HYS, regardless of your major, school and complete absence of law-related ECs ? Could you get a full-scholarship at a T10 (let's say any of HYSBCCPMNV no order to read here) ? Would that be the same answer if you were applying to a JD/MA in International Relations joint program ?

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If you scored a 180 and have a 4.0, there are much better routes than law. Just saying.

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby Knock » Thu May 19, 2011 6:39 pm

Qwerty12345 wrote:People have been saying again and again how much law school admissions are just a "number game". So basically if you are the regular 22-years-old college grad with a 180 (first sitting)), a 4.0 (all As, no minuses but no pluses to bring up lower grades) and very good writing skills, are you guaranteed to get into HYS, regardless of your major, school and complete absence of law-related ECs ? Could you get a full-scholarship at a T10 (let's say any of HYSBCCPMNV no order to read here) ? Would that be the same answer if you were applying to a JD/MA in International Relations joint program ?

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Pretty much.

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby Qwerty12345 » Thu May 19, 2011 6:41 pm

Like what ResolutePear ? I figured HLS (or YLS, whatever)+MA intl relations ===>>> open doors to major intl organizations+diplomacy

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby fundamentallybroken » Thu May 19, 2011 6:45 pm

Qwerty12345 wrote:Like what ResolutePear ? I figured HLS (or YLS, whatever)+MBA +intl relations ===>>> open doors to major intl organizations+diplomacy arms dealing


MUCH better routes

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby bhan87 » Thu May 19, 2011 6:52 pm

Qwerty12345 wrote:People have been saying again and again how much law school admissions are just a "number game". So basically if you are the regular 22-years-old college grad with a 180 (first sitting)), a 4.0 (all As, no minuses but no pluses to bring up lower grades) and very good writing skills, are you guaranteed to get into HYS, regardless of your major, school and complete absence of law-related ECs ? Could you get a full-scholarship at a T10 (let's say any of HYSBCCPMNV no order to read here) ? Would that be the same answer if you were applying to a JD/MA in International Relations joint program ?

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Try getting a 4.0 / 180 before putting it down as insignificant.

But yes, those stats will guarantee you admission into a lot of schools (probably H, YS are always crapshoots). This is of course assuming you haven't committed a felony or anything.

Also, law related ECs are irrelevant. Legal internship? Pre-law society? Took an undergrad law course? Irrelevant... or at most minimally helpful. I think ECs that are outside law can often be much more useful (i.e. Engineering or Finance background, working for an international NGO, etc.)

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby Qwerty12345 » Thu May 19, 2011 6:56 pm

What does getting 180 require more than 3,000 hours of prep ?

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby ResolutePear » Thu May 19, 2011 6:57 pm

Qwerty12345 wrote:Like what ResolutePear ? I figured HLS (or YLS, whatever)+MA intl relations ===>>> open doors to major intl organizations+diplomacy


Perhaps you should talk to a couple diplomats.

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby Qwerty12345 » Thu May 19, 2011 7:00 pm

Can you tell us more ResolutePear ?

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby ResolutePear » Thu May 19, 2011 7:00 pm

Qwerty12345 wrote:Can you tell us more ResolutePear ?

Nope.

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby bhan87 » Thu May 19, 2011 7:00 pm

Qwerty12345 wrote:What does getting 180 require more than 3,000 hours of prep ?


Despite 3,000 hours of prep many people will never break a 170. However there are those that can achieve a 180 without even 1,000 hours of prep.

Regardless, even if I agree that the LSAT shouldn't be such a big determinant in law school admissions as it is, getting a 180 is pretty significant and thus even though you could say you "basically" are guaranteed admissions to a lot of top schools with a 4.0 / 180, there's nothing basic about ACTUALLY achieving those numbers.

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby ResolutePear » Thu May 19, 2011 7:02 pm

What is 3,000 hours?

A bit over a year, giving 8 hours every day.

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby Qwerty12345 » Thu May 19, 2011 7:04 pm

Thinking more 4h/day for 2 years (more during summer to make up for less studying during final weeks and occasional procrastination).

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby bostonlawchick » Thu May 19, 2011 7:15 pm

Even five thousand hours won't guarantee you a 180. A lot of it in that range comes down to luck. If you misread a question, don't finish with enough time, get a new strange kind of game or question you haven't seen before, or have some random problem in your room, that's all it could take to lose that one point. For a 180 you can usually only get two or so questions wrong.

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby Kabuo » Thu May 19, 2011 7:26 pm

Wtf are you going to do for 3000 hours of prep? I probably did 400 hours and I've been through every released LSAT section and a couple supplemental books.

And as someone already said, for most people 180s require some luck. I got it a few times on PTs, and the only difference between a 180 and a 175+ is finding one RC passage you really hate or having a couple misreads.

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby Corwin » Sat May 21, 2011 10:12 pm

ResolutePear wrote:
Qwerty12345 wrote:Like what ResolutePear ? I figured HLS (or YLS, whatever)+MA intl relations ===>>> open doors to major intl organizations+diplomacy


Perhaps you should talk to a couple diplomats.

Do you have any reason to think diplomats are generally the types of people that get 4.0s and 180s? (Serious question, nothing against diplomats.)

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby Qwerty12345 » Fri May 27, 2011 8:39 pm

Corwin, I don't know.

So would you guys qualify going to law school for the beauty of litigation (ie bringing the formality of law into real practice and making a difference in people's lives, striving for justice, ect...) as "extremely naive" ?

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby TheFactor » Fri May 27, 2011 9:19 pm

Qwerty12345 wrote:Corwin, I don't know.

So would you guys qualify going to law school for the beauty of litigation (ie bringing the formality of law into real practice and making a difference in people's lives, striving for justice, ect...) as "extremely naive" ?

in before yes

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Re: So that's the deal ?!

Postby ResolutePear » Fri May 27, 2011 9:29 pm

Corwin wrote:
ResolutePear wrote:
Qwerty12345 wrote:Like what ResolutePear ? I figured HLS (or YLS, whatever)+MA intl relations ===>>> open doors to major intl organizations+diplomacy


Perhaps you should talk to a couple diplomats.

Do you have any reason to think diplomats are generally the types of people that get 4.0s and 180s? (Serious question, nothing against diplomats.)


They are sometimes the type of people who's life experiences cannot be categorized into two number brackets.




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