Is it even worth it now? Forum

[swc65]

Well... the reasons why the US went to war against the Confederacy is open to debate. I don't think it was an aching liberal need to free the slaves however.

Lincoln didn't even give two shits about the slaves

Wrong. Slavery was rampant durring his time and this was so throughout the world. It bothered him though. He was raised to think of slaves as less than human but he knew this was wrong.

1855: AL wrote to Joshua Speed, a slave-owning friend.“I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet… In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continual torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio (River), or any other slave-border.It is hardly fair for you to assume, that I have no interest in a thing which has, and continually exercises, the power of making me miserable.”(Lincoln, 1953, v2, p 320)

True Lincoln did not like slavery. But, he was not at all accepting of blacks in any sense. see, attempts at colonization, emigration bureau, Il a Vache, etc. he was certainly no bleeding heart liberal with respect to racial diversity/equality.

[Bartlebee06]

A living breathing document. Well that my friend means it can one day die. Its the same reason for certain unalienable rights endowed by god. If your rights are given to you by the government instead of your god (whoever that may be) then the govt. can take them away.
If everything is open for interpretation then lets just have true democracy which equals mob-rule.

Sorry dude, I have to take exception to that. If you and your crazies don't have room for my atheism, sorry. We're going to shove government run medicine down your throat and you're going to enjoy it.

Its ok to be Atheist according to the constitution. In the case of your unalienable rights we will say for the sake of argument that you are your own god.

[ahduth]

A living breathing document. Well that my friend means it can one day die. Its the same reason for certain unalienable rights endowed by god. If your rights are given to you by the government instead of your god (whoever that may be) then the govt. can take them away.
If everything is open for interpretation then lets just have true democracy which equals mob-rule.

Sorry dude, I have to take exception to that. If you and your crazies don't have room for my atheism, sorry. We're going to shove government run medicine down your throat and you're going to enjoy it.

Its ok to be Atheist according to the constitution. In the case of your unalienable rights we will say for the sake of argument that you are your own god.

I'd rather not have you arguing for me. I'll handle it myself, thanks.

[Bartlebee06]

Well... the reasons why the US went to war against the Confederacy is open to debate. I don't think it was an aching liberal need to free the slaves however.

Lincoln didn't even give two shits about the slaves

Wrong. Slavery was rampant durring his time and this was so throughout the world. It bothered him though. He was raised to think of slaves as less than human but he knew this was wrong.

1855: AL wrote to Joshua Speed, a slave-owning friend.“I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet… In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continual torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio (River), or any other slave-border.It is hardly fair for you to assume, that I have no interest in a thing which has, and continually exercises, the power of making me miserable.”(Lincoln, 1953, v2, p 320)

True Lincoln did not like slavery. But, he was not at all accepting of blacks in any sense. see, attempts at colonization, emigration bureau, Il a Vache, etc. he was certainly no bleeding heart liberal with respect to racial diversity/equality.

Agreed. The world has an ugly past when it comes to slavery. And invasions. And ..............................................

[Bartlebee06]

A living breathing document. Well that my friend means it can one day die. Its the same reason for certain unalienable rights endowed by god. If your rights are given to you by the government instead of your god (whoever that may be) then the govt. can take them away.
If everything is open for interpretation then lets just have true democracy which equals mob-rule.

Sorry dude, I have to take exception to that. If you and your crazies don't have room for my atheism, sorry. We're going to shove government run medicine down your throat and you're going to enjoy it.

Its ok to be Atheist according to the constitution. In the case of your unalienable rights we will say for the sake of argument that you are your own god.

I'd rather not have you arguing for me. I'll handle it myself, thanks.

Not sure if that means you agree or disagree.

[Bartlebee06]

Back to OP. Its totally worth it!

[beachbum]

This thread has gotten considerably better from that old doctors/AMA debate. Please continue.

[aliarrow]

Sorry I went to get pizza. Is papa johns worth it? Or Dominos or bust?

[powerlawyer06]

Sorry I went to get pizza. Is papa johns worth it? Or Dominos or bust?

I always say.

Pappa John's or Retake(the order that is)

[Bartlebee06]

Sorry I went to get pizza. Is papa johns worth it? Or Dominos or bust?

I always say.

Pappa John's or Retake(the order that is)

No way either of these are T14

[Hannibal]

T14 = Your local favorite pizza places, Round Table
Phoenix = Papa Murphys
Cooley = Little Caesar

[aliarrow]

T14 = Your local favorite pizza places, Round Table
Phoenix = Papa Murphys
Cooley = Little Caesar in a kmart

HYS = Ray's Pizza

[Flips88]

T14 = Your local favorite pizza places, Round Table
Phoenix = Papa Murphys
Cooley = Little Caesar

If only Cooley ran you $4.99 for a JD

[Bartlebee06]

T14 = Your local favorite pizza places, Round Table
Phoenix = Papa Murphys
Cooley = Little Caesar

Round Table is awesome. Havnt had it in years but I like the white.

[dkt4]

how do you get into harvard if you're a bad student?

wtf obama.

[Flips88]

how do you get into harvard if you're a bad student?

wtf obama.

[Tanicius]

how do you get into harvard if you're a bad student?

wtf obama.

[Ty Webb]

A living breathing document. Well that my friend means it can one day die. Its the same reason for certain unalienable rights endowed by god. If your rights are given to you by the government instead of your god (whoever that may be) then the govt. can take them away.
If everything is open for interpretation then lets just have true democracy which equals mob-rule.

Sorry dude, I have to take exception to that. If you and your crazies don't have room for my atheism, sorry. We're going to shove government run medicine down your throat and you're going to enjoy it.

Its ok to be Atheist according to the constitution. In the case of your unalienable rights we will say for the sake of argument that you are your own god.

There doesn't have to be some created god. Right-wing wackos have a terribly difficult time wrapping their arms around this concept.

[Bartlebee06]

A living breathing document. Well that my friend means it can one day die. Its the same reason for certain unalienable rights endowed by god. If your rights are given to you by the government instead of your god (whoever that may be) then the govt. can take them away.
If everything is open for interpretation then lets just have true democracy which equals mob-rule.

Sorry dude, I have to take exception to that. If you and your crazies don't have room for my atheism, sorry. We're going to shove government run medicine down your throat and you're going to enjoy it.

Its ok to be Atheist according to the constitution. In the case of your unalienable rights we will say for the sake of argument that you are your own god.

There doesn't have to be some created god. Right-wing wackos have a terribly difficult time wrapping their arms around this concept.

Again, if you do not receive your rights from your creator, then you must have been granted those basic rights by man. The problem is that if man can grant you those rights, he can also take them away. No one is asking you to worship their god. Just beware of the elimination of god as it leaves only mankind as the end all and say all. I don't care if you are Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Satanist, or you worship the flying spaghetti monster. Personal beliefs are part of your rights.

[Flips88]

Again, if you do not receive your rights from your creator, then you must have been granted those basic rights by man. The problem is that if man can grant you those rights, he can also take them away. No one is asking you to worship their god. Just beware of the elimination of god as it leaves only mankind as the end all and say all. I don't care if you are Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Satanist, or you worship the flying spaghetti monster. Personal beliefs are part of your rights.

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[westinghouse60]

Again, if you do not receive your rights from your creator, then you must have been granted those basic rights by man. The problem is that if man can grant you those rights, he can also take them away. No one is asking you to worship their god. Just beware of the elimination of god as it leaves only mankind as the end all and say all. I don't care if you are Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Satanist, or you worship the flying spaghetti monster. Personal beliefs are part of your rights.

Read about the first 3 pages. You should really change your avatar to something other than that dog. Whenever I read your posts, I picture the dog speaking them, making it almost impossible to take them seriously. But maybe its just finals week sleep deprivation getting to me.

[Stringer Bell]

What turns you off with Bachmann. Seriously Im curious and maybe not well enough informed.

Let's see.

• She was against the student loan bill in 2007 that created PSLF.

What's wrong with being against PSLF? I think it is stupid and pretty arbitrary that someone who works for the government can get their loans forgiven with substantially better terms than someone working in the private sector.

[BruceWayne]

What's wrong with being against PSLF? I think it is stupid and pretty arbitrary that someone who works for the government can get their loans forgiven with substantially better terms than someone working in the private sector

Because serving your country, often by taking a much lower salary than you otherwise would receive in the private sector, is "stupid" and "arbitrary" in comparison to other forms of public service. It's not like you're doing anyone a service by prosecuting crime and attempting to protect the public from malfeasance. Hell why do we even need government groups like the SEC and the Justice Department? Corporations, bankers, and CEO's are very benevolent groups that don't need any oversight; they overwhelmingly make decisions with the benefit of the American public in mind.

[aliarrow]

What turns you off with Bachmann. Seriously Im curious and maybe not well enough informed.

Let's see.

• She was against the student loan bill in 2007 that created PSLF.

What's wrong with being against PSLF? I think it is stupid and pretty arbitrary that someone who works for the government can get their loans forgiven with substantially better terms than someone working in the private sector.

Wait...
does PSLF = Private Sector or Public Sector loan forgiveness?

[BruceWayne]

What turns you off with Bachmann. Seriously Im curious and maybe not well enough informed.

Let's see.

• She was against the student loan bill in 2007 that created PSLF.

What's wrong with being against PSLF? I think it is stupid and pretty arbitrary that someone who works for the government can get their loans forgiven with substantially better terms than someone working in the private sector.

Wait...
does PSLF = Private Sector or Public Sector loan forgiveness?

Lol public.