Is it even worth it now?

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby swc65 » Sun May 01, 2011 8:02 pm

Bartlebee06 wrote:
aliarrow wrote:
ahduth wrote:Well... the reasons why the US went to war against the Confederacy is open to debate. I don't think it was an aching liberal need to free the slaves however.


Lincoln didn't even give two shits about the slaves


Wrong. Slavery was rampant durring his time and this was so throughout the world. It bothered him though. He was raised to think of slaves as less than human but he knew this was wrong.

1855: AL wrote to Joshua Speed, a slave-owning friend.“I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet… In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continual torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio (River), or any other slave-border.It is hardly fair for you to assume, that I have no interest in a thing which has, and continually exercises, the power of making me miserable.”(Lincoln, 1953, v2, p 320)


True Lincoln did not like slavery. But, he was not at all accepting of blacks in any sense. see, attempts at colonization, emigration bureau, Il a Vache, etc. he was certainly no bleeding heart liberal with respect to racial diversity/equality.

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Bartlebee06 » Sun May 01, 2011 8:04 pm

ahduth wrote:
Bartlebee06 wrote:A living breathing document. Well that my friend means it can one day die. Its the same reason for certain unalienable rights endowed by god. If your rights are given to you by the government instead of your god (whoever that may be) then the govt. can take them away.
If everything is open for interpretation then lets just have true democracy which equals mob-rule.


Sorry dude, I have to take exception to that. If you and your crazies don't have room for my atheism, sorry. We're going to shove government run medicine down your throat and you're going to enjoy it.


Its ok to be Atheist according to the constitution. In the case of your unalienable rights we will say for the sake of argument that you are your own god.

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby ahduth » Sun May 01, 2011 8:06 pm

Bartlebee06 wrote:
ahduth wrote:
Bartlebee06 wrote:A living breathing document. Well that my friend means it can one day die. Its the same reason for certain unalienable rights endowed by god. If your rights are given to you by the government instead of your god (whoever that may be) then the govt. can take them away.
If everything is open for interpretation then lets just have true democracy which equals mob-rule.


Sorry dude, I have to take exception to that. If you and your crazies don't have room for my atheism, sorry. We're going to shove government run medicine down your throat and you're going to enjoy it.


Its ok to be Atheist according to the constitution. In the case of your unalienable rights we will say for the sake of argument that you are your own god.


I'd rather not have you arguing for me. I'll handle it myself, thanks.

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Bartlebee06 » Sun May 01, 2011 8:07 pm

swc65 wrote:
Bartlebee06 wrote:
aliarrow wrote:
ahduth wrote:Well... the reasons why the US went to war against the Confederacy is open to debate. I don't think it was an aching liberal need to free the slaves however.


Lincoln didn't even give two shits about the slaves


Wrong. Slavery was rampant durring his time and this was so throughout the world. It bothered him though. He was raised to think of slaves as less than human but he knew this was wrong.

1855: AL wrote to Joshua Speed, a slave-owning friend.“I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet… In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continual torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio (River), or any other slave-border.It is hardly fair for you to assume, that I have no interest in a thing which has, and continually exercises, the power of making me miserable.”(Lincoln, 1953, v2, p 320)


True Lincoln did not like slavery. But, he was not at all accepting of blacks in any sense. see, attempts at colonization, emigration bureau, Il a Vache, etc. he was certainly no bleeding heart liberal with respect to racial diversity/equality.


Agreed. The world has an ugly past when it comes to slavery. And invasions. And ..............................................

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Bartlebee06 » Sun May 01, 2011 8:09 pm

ahduth wrote:
Bartlebee06 wrote:
ahduth wrote:
Bartlebee06 wrote:A living breathing document. Well that my friend means it can one day die. Its the same reason for certain unalienable rights endowed by god. If your rights are given to you by the government instead of your god (whoever that may be) then the govt. can take them away.
If everything is open for interpretation then lets just have true democracy which equals mob-rule.


Sorry dude, I have to take exception to that. If you and your crazies don't have room for my atheism, sorry. We're going to shove government run medicine down your throat and you're going to enjoy it.


Its ok to be Atheist according to the constitution. In the case of your unalienable rights we will say for the sake of argument that you are your own god.


I'd rather not have you arguing for me. I'll handle it myself, thanks.


Not sure if that means you agree or disagree.

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Bartlebee06 » Sun May 01, 2011 8:15 pm

Back to OP. Its totally worth it!

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby beachbum » Sun May 01, 2011 8:18 pm

This thread has gotten considerably better from that old doctors/AMA debate. Please continue.

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby aliarrow » Sun May 01, 2011 8:21 pm

Sorry I went to get pizza. Is papa johns worth it? Or Dominos or bust?

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby powerlawyer06 » Sun May 01, 2011 8:30 pm

aliarrow wrote:Sorry I went to get pizza. Is papa johns worth it? Or Dominos or bust?


I always say.

Pappa John's or Retake(the order that is)

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Bartlebee06 » Sun May 01, 2011 9:19 pm

powerlawyer06 wrote:
aliarrow wrote:Sorry I went to get pizza. Is papa johns worth it? Or Dominos or bust?


I always say.

Pappa John's or Retake(the order that is)

No way either of these are T14

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Hannibal » Sun May 01, 2011 9:48 pm

T14 = Your local favorite pizza places, Round Table
Phoenix = Papa Murphys
Cooley = Little Caesar

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby aliarrow » Sun May 01, 2011 9:53 pm

Hannibal wrote:T14 = Your local favorite pizza places, Round Table
Phoenix = Papa Murphys
Cooley = Little Caesar in a kmart


HYS = Ray's Pizza

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Flips88 » Sun May 01, 2011 9:53 pm

Hannibal wrote:T14 = Your local favorite pizza places, Round Table
Phoenix = Papa Murphys
Cooley = Little Caesar

If only Cooley ran you $4.99 for a JD

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Bartlebee06 » Sun May 01, 2011 10:49 pm

Hannibal wrote:T14 = Your local favorite pizza places, Round Table
Phoenix = Papa Murphys
Cooley = Little Caesar



Round Table is awesome. Havnt had it in years but I like the white.

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby dkt4 » Mon May 02, 2011 1:56 am

how do you get into harvard if you're a bad student?

wtf obama.

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Flips88 » Mon May 02, 2011 1:57 am

dkt4 wrote:how do you get into harvard if you're a bad student?

wtf obama.

:?:

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Tanicius » Mon May 02, 2011 1:58 am

dkt4 wrote:how do you get into harvard if you're a bad student?

wtf obama.



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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Ty Webb » Mon May 02, 2011 2:17 am

Bartlebee06 wrote:
ahduth wrote:
Bartlebee06 wrote:A living breathing document. Well that my friend means it can one day die. Its the same reason for certain unalienable rights endowed by god. If your rights are given to you by the government instead of your god (whoever that may be) then the govt. can take them away.
If everything is open for interpretation then lets just have true democracy which equals mob-rule.


Sorry dude, I have to take exception to that. If you and your crazies don't have room for my atheism, sorry. We're going to shove government run medicine down your throat and you're going to enjoy it.


Its ok to be Atheist according to the constitution. In the case of your unalienable rights we will say for the sake of argument that you are your own god.


There doesn't have to be some created god. Right-wing wackos have a terribly difficult time wrapping their arms around this concept.

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Bartlebee06 » Mon May 02, 2011 8:48 am

Ty Webb wrote:
Bartlebee06 wrote:
ahduth wrote:
Bartlebee06 wrote:A living breathing document. Well that my friend means it can one day die. Its the same reason for certain unalienable rights endowed by god. If your rights are given to you by the government instead of your god (whoever that may be) then the govt. can take them away.
If everything is open for interpretation then lets just have true democracy which equals mob-rule.


Sorry dude, I have to take exception to that. If you and your crazies don't have room for my atheism, sorry. We're going to shove government run medicine down your throat and you're going to enjoy it.


Its ok to be Atheist according to the constitution. In the case of your unalienable rights we will say for the sake of argument that you are your own god.


There doesn't have to be some created god. Right-wing wackos have a terribly difficult time wrapping their arms around this concept.



Again, if you do not receive your rights from your creator, then you must have been granted those basic rights by man. The problem is that if man can grant you those rights, he can also take them away. No one is asking you to worship their god. Just beware of the elimination of god as it leaves only mankind as the end all and say all. I don't care if you are Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Satanist, or you worship the flying spaghetti monster. Personal beliefs are part of your rights.

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Flips88 » Mon May 02, 2011 9:10 am

Bartlebee06 wrote:Again, if you do not receive your rights from your creator, then you must have been granted those basic rights by man. The problem is that if man can grant you those rights, he can also take them away. No one is asking you to worship their god. Just beware of the elimination of god as it leaves only mankind as the end all and say all. I don't care if you are Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Satanist, or you worship the flying spaghetti monster. Personal beliefs are part of your rights.

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby westinghouse60 » Mon May 02, 2011 1:32 pm

Bartlebee06 wrote:Again, if you do not receive your rights from your creator, then you must have been granted those basic rights by man. The problem is that if man can grant you those rights, he can also take them away. No one is asking you to worship their god. Just beware of the elimination of god as it leaves only mankind as the end all and say all. I don't care if you are Atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, Satanist, or you worship the flying spaghetti monster. Personal beliefs are part of your rights.


Read about the first 3 pages. You should really change your avatar to something other than that dog. Whenever I read your posts, I picture the dog speaking them, making it almost impossible to take them seriously. But maybe its just finals week sleep deprivation getting to me.

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby Stringer Bell » Mon May 02, 2011 1:51 pm

Flips88 wrote:
Bartlebee06 wrote:What turns you off with Bachmann. Seriously Im curious and maybe not well enough informed.

Let's see.
  • She was against the student loan bill in 2007 that created PSLF.




What's wrong with being against PSLF? I think it is stupid and pretty arbitrary that someone who works for the government can get their loans forgiven with substantially better terms than someone working in the private sector.

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby BruceWayne » Mon May 02, 2011 2:17 pm

Stringer Bell wrote:What's wrong with being against PSLF? I think it is stupid and pretty arbitrary that someone who works for the government can get their loans forgiven with substantially better terms than someone working in the private sector



:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Because serving your country, often by taking a much lower salary than you otherwise would receive in the private sector, is "stupid" and "arbitrary" in comparison to other forms of public service. It's not like you're doing anyone a service by prosecuting crime and attempting to protect the public from malfeasance. Hell why do we even need government groups like the SEC and the Justice Department? Corporations, bankers, and CEO's are very benevolent groups that don't need any oversight; they overwhelmingly make decisions with the benefit of the American public in mind.
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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby aliarrow » Mon May 02, 2011 2:17 pm

Stringer Bell wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
Bartlebee06 wrote:What turns you off with Bachmann. Seriously Im curious and maybe not well enough informed.

Let's see.
  • She was against the student loan bill in 2007 that created PSLF.




What's wrong with being against PSLF? I think it is stupid and pretty arbitrary that someone who works for the government can get their loans forgiven with substantially better terms than someone working in the private sector.


Wait...
does PSLF = Private Sector or Public Sector loan forgiveness?

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Re: Is it even worth it now?

Postby BruceWayne » Mon May 02, 2011 2:20 pm

aliarrow wrote:
Stringer Bell wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
Bartlebee06 wrote:What turns you off with Bachmann. Seriously Im curious and maybe not well enough informed.

Let's see.
  • She was against the student loan bill in 2007 that created PSLF.




What's wrong with being against PSLF? I think it is stupid and pretty arbitrary that someone who works for the government can get their loans forgiven with substantially better terms than someone working in the private sector.


Wait...
does PSLF = Private Sector or Public Sector loan forgiveness?


Lol public.




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