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No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby bendtheslurry » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:43 pm

A school I recently visited said they do not allow 1L's to have access to Westlaw/Nexis. Is this a common practice for schools?

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby kalvano » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:08 pm

No.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby prezidentv8 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:20 pm

kalvano wrote:No.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby OGR3 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:23 pm

If I remember correctly, Howard didn't allow access fall of 1L.

When I heard that I was not happy. I wanted my rewards points!

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby Kilpatrick » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:24 pm

No, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I had a job interview today for 1l summer and they specifically asked me if I was familiar with Westlaw because it's what I would be using all summer.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby thwalls » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:32 pm

I respect Universities for wanting students to know how to search the stacks but the days of firms having large libraries are long gone.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby twert » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:36 pm

they must be preparing their students to be broke solo practitioners who have to come back and use the law library every weekend. its actually a pretty practical move for t2 and down.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby kalvano » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:39 pm

We were restricted from Lexis / Westlaw for our first research assignment, so we could learn how to use the books. After that, we had access to both. Now, we have Westlaw Next which is astonishingly awesome.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby kalvano » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:40 pm

twert wrote:they must be preparing their students to be broke solo practitioners who have to come back and use the law library every weekend. its actually a pretty practical move for t2 and down.



Even going solo, Westlaw isn't super expensive if you only have one user and restrict yourself to in-state usage. It's when you add multiple users that the price skyrockets.


By not super expensive, I think I remember the price list I saw listing it at about $500, $600 a month under those terms.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby twert » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:42 pm

kalvano wrote:
twert wrote:they must be preparing their students to be broke solo practitioners who have to come back and use the law library every weekend. its actually a pretty practical move for t2 and down.



Even going solo, Westlaw isn't super expensive if you only have one user and restrict yourself to in-state usage. It's when you add multiple users that the price skyrockets.


By not super expensive, I think I remember the price list I saw listing it at about $500, $600 a month under those terms.

for a solo practitioner straight out of school, like the poor downtrodden misfits in my school's library, 500 a month is prohibitive. its schools like mine that need to teach book research.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby kalvano » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:49 pm

twert wrote:
kalvano wrote:
twert wrote:they must be preparing their students to be broke solo practitioners who have to come back and use the law library every weekend. its actually a pretty practical move for t2 and down.



Even going solo, Westlaw isn't super expensive if you only have one user and restrict yourself to in-state usage. It's when you add multiple users that the price skyrockets.


By not super expensive, I think I remember the price list I saw listing it at about $500, $600 a month under those terms.

for a solo practitioner straight out of school, like the poor downtrodden misfits in my school's library, 500 a month is prohibitive. its schools like mine that need to teach book research.



More prohibitive than having to leave the office and trudge to the local library? I bet you'd save over $500 in work every month.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby twert » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:53 pm

i honestly think a lot of them don't even have offices. they are always in the library. But you are right, if a solo can get enough business to stay busy, he or she probably is better off spending the money on westlaw. also, i believe 500 is too high. if they get one of those deals where they only get state cases or something i think it can be done for ~90, though everyone's cryptic about westlaw prices for some reason.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby kalvano » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:57 pm

I think the price I saw was for unlimited searching for one license for state and local federal cases.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby twert » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:04 am

i believe there's an option for four dollars a search. if you are really efficient and specialize in one field, you can probably make this pretty affordable.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby kalvano » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:10 am

That's probably correct.

Anyway, back on-topic - the point is that firms very, very much want you to be familiar with Westlaw / Lexis, and not having it all your 1L year will put you at a disadvantage.

Knowing how to search the books is important, but they are going away, slowly but surely.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby ArthurDigbySellers » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:13 am

twert wrote:four dollars a search


FUCK

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby nealric » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:31 pm

Sounds like a terrible idea to me. I use print sources all the time in my practice (it helps that my firm has a special library for my practice group), but it's not like using the books are rocket science such that 1Ls should be subjected to an entire year without lexis.

BTW: the "off the rack" rates for westlaw/lexis users without contracts are obscene. A single search of "all federal cases" in lexis is about $300. Had a typo? Too bad- $300. No results? Too bad- $300.
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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby Helmholtz » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:32 pm

bendtheslurry wrote:A school I recently visited said they do not allow 1L's to have access to Westlaw/Nexis. Is this a common practice for schools?


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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby blong4133 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:49 pm

kalvano wrote:We were restricted from Lexis / Westlaw for our first research assignment, so we could learn how to use the books. After that, we had access to both. Now, we have Westlaw Next which is astonishingly awesome.



West Law Next is one of the greatest things I've ever used. I never really liked Lexis, but I find it funny when we have to attend these mandatory lexis certification courses and all it consists of is the Lexis rep trying to convince us that if we use Westlaw we're going straight to hell.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby TTH » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:09 pm

blong4133 wrote:
kalvano wrote:We were restricted from Lexis / Westlaw for our first research assignment, so we could learn how to use the books. After that, we had access to both. Now, we have Westlaw Next which is astonishingly awesome.



West Law Next is one of the greatest things I've ever used. I never really liked Lexis, but I find it funny when we have to attend these mandatory lexis certification courses and all it consists of is the Lexis rep trying to convince us that if we use Westlaw we're going straight to hell.


TBF Lexis has much better rewards.

Too bad their interface makes my eyes bleed.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby OGR3 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:15 pm

TTH wrote:
blong4133 wrote:
kalvano wrote:We were restricted from Lexis / Westlaw for our first research assignment, so we could learn how to use the books. After that, we had access to both. Now, we have Westlaw Next which is astonishingly awesome.



West Law Next is one of the greatest things I've ever used. I never really liked Lexis, but I find it funny when we have to attend these mandatory lexis certification courses and all it consists of is the Lexis rep trying to convince us that if we use Westlaw we're going straight to hell.


TBF Lexis has much better rewards.

Too bad their interface makes my eyes bleed.


Lexis rewards >>> Westlaw rewards.

Truthfully, this is the number one reason why I prefer Lexis...

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby BarbellDreams » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:17 pm

Westlaw NEXT >>>>>>>>> Lexis if you actually want to get work done.

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby TTH » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:20 pm

BarbellDreams wrote:Westlaw NEXT >>>>>>>>> Lexis if you actually want to get work done.


Does anyone else out there prefer Westlaw to Westlaw NEXT?

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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby kalvano » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:28 pm

TTH wrote:
BarbellDreams wrote:Westlaw NEXT >>>>>>>>> Lexis if you actually want to get work done.


Does anyone else out there prefer Westlaw to Westlaw NEXT?



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Re: No Westlaw/Lexis during 1L?

Postby TTH » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:08 pm

kalvano wrote:
TTH wrote:
BarbellDreams wrote:Westlaw NEXT >>>>>>>>> Lexis if you actually want to get work done.


Does anyone else out there prefer Westlaw to Westlaw NEXT?



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