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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby r6_philly » Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:01 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:
Huh. Guess I was just imagining carrying my -92 through four years of chem and physics. (Engineering major, chem minor) Thanks for setting me straight.


As juvenile as this debate is, I consider "science" as "natural sciences", not engineering, etc. Maybe define it as any science that was around before the graphing calculator was invented.

Edited for fail on my part...

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby rinkrat19 » Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:32 pm

r6_philly wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:
Huh. Guess I was just imagining carrying my -92 through four years of chem and physics. (Engineering major, chem minor) Thanks for setting me straight.


As juvenile as this debate is, I consider "science" as "natural sciences", not engineering, etc. Maybe define it as any science that was around before the graphing calculator was invented.

Edited for fail on my part...


Newton, Faraday and Joule and Boyle and Avogadro would be baffled to discover that physics and chemistry only came into existence after Casio invented the graphing calculator in 1985.

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby stratocophic » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:59 am

r6_philly wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:
Huh. Guess I was just imagining carrying my -92 through four years of chem and physics. (Engineering major, chem minor) Thanks for setting me straight.


As juvenile as this debate is, I consider "science" as "natural sciences", not engineering, etc. Maybe define it as any science that was around before the graphing calculator was invented.

Edited for fail on my part...
Sooooo... all of them :|

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby crEEp » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:07 am

Desert Fox wrote:Patent law isn't science.


I mentioned eigenvectors and eigendecomposition on a patent law final and got the 2nd or 3rd highest grade.

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby stratocophic » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:17 am

crEEp wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Patent law isn't science.


I mentioned eigenvectors and eigendecomposition on a patent law final and got the 2nd or 3rd highest grade.

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby r6_philly » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:44 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:Newton, Faraday and Joule and Boyle and Avogadro would be baffled to discover that physics and chemistry only came into existence after Casio invented the graphing calculator in 1985.


They didn't need to use it, so neither should any of you. I botched what I wanted to say badly.

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby rinkrat19 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:14 pm

r6_philly wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:Newton, Faraday and Joule and Boyle and Avogadro would be baffled to discover that physics and chemistry only came into existence after Casio invented the graphing calculator in 1985.


They didn't need to use it, so neither should any of you. I botched what I wanted to say badly.


And NASA doesn't need computers to calculate the shuttle's angle of reentry, because by god, Galileo only had a pendulum!

(edited for spelling)

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby r6_philly » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:51 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:Newton, Faraday and Joule and Boyle and Avogadro would be baffled to discover that physics and chemistry only came into existence after Casio invented the graphing calculator in 1985.


They didn't need to use it, so neither should any of you. I botched what I wanted to say badly.


And NASA doesn't need computers to calculate the shuttle's angle of reentry, because by god, Galileo only had a pendulum!

(edited for spelling)


NASA's priority is to accomplish a project efficiently, student's priority is to learn the craft. These two are not compatible.

Why don't we teach 4th graders to use calculators instead of having them memorizing multiplication tables? By god who doesn't have access to a calculator at their finger tips nowadays?

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby d34d9823 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:56 pm

r6_philly wrote:NASA's priority is to accomplish a project efficiently, student's priority is to learn the craft. These two are not compatible.

Why don't we teach 4th graders to use calculators instead of having them memorizing multiplication tables? By god who doesn't have access to a calculator at their finger tips nowadays?

IMO it's pretty ridiculous to argue for aesthetic qualities in a discipline (science) that is purely utilitarian.

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby r6_philly » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:14 pm

d34dluk3 wrote:
r6_philly wrote:NASA's priority is to accomplish a project efficiently, student's priority is to learn the craft. These two are not compatible.

Why don't we teach 4th graders to use calculators instead of having them memorizing multiplication tables? By god who doesn't have access to a calculator at their finger tips nowadays?

IMO it's pretty ridiculous to argue for aesthetic qualities in a discipline (science) that is purely utilitarian.


science is scholarly, engineering is utilitarian.

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby d34d9823 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:29 am

r6_philly wrote:
d34dluk3 wrote:IMO it's pretty ridiculous to argue for aesthetic qualities in a discipline (science) that is purely utilitarian.


science is scholarly, engineering is utilitarian.

Right...

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby bigkahuna2020 » Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:12 am

rinkrat19 wrote:
Huh. Guess I was just imagining carrying my -92 through four years of chem and physics. (Engineering major, chem minor) Thanks for setting me straight.


Or just a crappy school. *shrug*

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby theblackhand » Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:25 am

I think i need to replace the batteries on my Ti 89 Titanium...it's been a while...I think I love the solve function the best, it saves time? Feel free to share your favorite functions on the Ti 89; however, they need not be related to the Titanium edition.

My Ti 89 Titanium edition has been used in physics, gen chem, organic chem, biochem, cal, and the list goes on. It has saved my life on more than one occasion. It has been with me through the ups and downs, through thick and thin.

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I will truly miss you in law school *sigh*

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby bigkahuna2020 » Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:27 am

Man how easy my math courses would have been with a calculator that could graph, derive and integrate for me.

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby theblackhand » Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:30 am

bigkahuna2020 wrote:Man how easy my math courses would have been with a calculator that could graph, derive and integrate for me.


I second this; the Ti 89 cuts through derivatives like butter.

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby stratocophic » Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:32 am

theblackhand wrote:
bigkahuna2020 wrote:Man how easy my math courses would have been with a calculator that could graph, derive and integrate for me.


I second this; the Ti 89 cuts through derivatives like butter.
It's basically the best invention ever.

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby rinkrat19 » Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:04 am

bigkahuna2020 wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:
Huh. Guess I was just imagining carrying my -92 through four years of chem and physics. (Engineering major, chem minor) Thanks for setting me straight.


Or just a crappy school. *shrug*


So, at MIT they still use slide rules?

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby pu_golf88 » Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:18 am

rinkrat19 wrote:
bigkahuna2020 wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:
Huh. Guess I was just imagining carrying my -92 through four years of chem and physics. (Engineering major, chem minor) Thanks for setting me straight.


Or just a crappy school. *shrug*


So, at MIT they still use slide rules?


Yes

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby bigkahuna2020 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:55 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:
bigkahuna2020 wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:
Huh. Guess I was just imagining carrying my -92 through four years of chem and physics. (Engineering major, chem minor) Thanks for setting me straight.


Or just a crappy school. *shrug*


So, at MIT they still use slide rules?


http://math.mit.edu/~mckernan/Teaching/ ... pra_1t.pdf

No calculators

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby rinkrat19 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:51 am

bigkahuna2020 wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:
bigkahuna2020 wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:
Huh. Guess I was just imagining carrying my -92 through four years of chem and physics. (Engineering major, chem minor) Thanks for setting me straight.


Or just a crappy school. *shrug*


So, at MIT they still use slide rules?


http://math.mit.edu/~mckernan/Teaching/ ... pra_1t.pdf

No calculators


That's vector calc. Which I took as a freshman in 1997, before graphing calculators were banned from it, even at my "crappy school."

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby IAFG » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:57 am

OP should not go to law school.

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby bigkahuna2020 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:50 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:
That's vector calc. Which I took as a freshman in 1997, before graphing calculators were banned from it, even at my "crappy school."


I have never had a class where I could use a graphing calculator from Trig on up since my junior year in high school. I guess classes were easier back then.

I just brought up the first math exam I saw at MIT. I have never seen a proper math class, mine or ANYONE else's, allow a calculator. And as for physics/chem, scientific calculators only.

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Re: Interest in taking science courses during law school

Postby stratocophic » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:17 pm

bigkahuna2020 wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:
That's vector calc. Which I took as a freshman in 1997, before graphing calculators were banned from it, even at my "crappy school."


I have never had a class where I could use a graphing calculator from Trig on up since my junior year in high school. I guess classes were easier back then.

I just brought up the first math exam I saw at MIT. I have never seen a proper math class, mine or ANYONE else's, allow a calculator. And as for physics/chem, scientific calculators only.
TBF I've never seen a proper engineer use electronic cheating; every reputable employer I've known eschewed the modern devilry of ProE and Solidworks for hand drafting. If you can't draw it, you don't really understand it. Same for calculators. They do their calculations on the backs of envelopes rather than on TI-89s because it's the right way to do it, dammit. Multiplication with a machine? Might as well legalize steroids in baseball. I for one yearn for the good old days when men were REAL men, women were REAL women, and asbestos was considered a REALLY great building material because people didn't know any better.




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