Why does Georgetown get a bad rep? Forum
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Why does Georgetown get a bad rep?
Also, what are the comparisons of Georgetown to Cornell? I've already gotten into GULC and I was mulling over whether to apply to Cornell but I would rather live in DC anyway so if they are the same in terms of prestige and job prospects then i ll probably stick with GULC.
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GULC is said to be a degree mill because of their large entering class size. Their 1L class is comparable to Harvard but with less prestige.
Nonetheless, you should be proud and happy you get to such a great school. Many people can't even make it out of TTT let alone get to a T-14
Nonetheless, you should be proud and happy you get to such a great school. Many people can't even make it out of TTT let alone get to a T-14
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Re: Why does Georgetown get a bad rep?
Georgetown is 3x the size of Cornell and it seems to hurt the grads in terms of recruiting prospects. I guess its harder to differentiate yourself when you have 600 peers instead of 200.
Additionally, DC has a reputation on TLS as being a very hard market to break into. Cornell naturally feeds into NYC while Georgetown is at a bit of a disadvantage on its home turf.
Lay prestige at Georgetown is high, while its prestige amongst law firms is probably on par with Cornell if not slightly higher.
Additionally, DC has a reputation on TLS as being a very hard market to break into. Cornell naturally feeds into NYC while Georgetown is at a bit of a disadvantage on its home turf.
Lay prestige at Georgetown is high, while its prestige amongst law firms is probably on par with Cornell if not slightly higher.
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You should apply to Cornell and other peer schools for scholarship leverage. If you are really 3.9/169, you also have a shot at MVPB, where job prestige/job prospects are better.
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Re: Why does Georgetown get a bad rep?
Georgetown has the largest part-time law program which many believe dilutes the overall value of a Georgetown law degree. As USNews just started rating & ranking part-time law programs, standards should rise.
Also USNews' point system places Georgetown precariously close to falling out of the top 14 law schools.
Cornell is small and rural thereby offering too few nearby internship opportunities & too small of an alumni base in biglaw. The small size & rural location may also limit truly national recruiting.
The truth, however, is likely that both law schools only get a "bad rap" from those in top 12 law schools while receiving envy from those below.
Also USNews' point system places Georgetown precariously close to falling out of the top 14 law schools.
Cornell is small and rural thereby offering too few nearby internship opportunities & too small of an alumni base in biglaw. The small size & rural location may also limit truly national recruiting.
The truth, however, is likely that both law schools only get a "bad rap" from those in top 12 law schools while receiving envy from those below.
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These are both important points. With a huge class size and a home market desired by every T14, it leads to greater competition than the rest of the T14.bdubs wrote:Georgetown is 3x the size of Cornell and it seems to hurt the grads in terms of recruiting prospects. I guess its harder to differentiate yourself when you have 600 peers instead of 200.
Additionally, DC has a reputation on TLS as being a very hard market to break into. Cornell naturally feeds into NYC while Georgetown is at a bit of a disadvantage on its home turf.
GULC's lay prestige is ridiculous. When I told people back home I was going to Virginia, they'd keep responding with, "If you're moving near DC, why don't you try for Georgetown?"bdubs wrote:Lay prestige at Georgetown is high, while its prestige amongst law firms is probably on par with Cornell if not slightly higher.
As much as folks put down GULC here, it is a well-respected law school in the legal market. The problems are just that there are so many GULC grads and heavy competition for DC-area jobs. Those things make things rougher for most GULC students, but they don't mean the degree isn't respected in the profession.
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Re: Why does Georgetown get a bad rep?
1. High lay prestige relative to legal prestigethedude221 wrote:Also, what are the comparisons of Georgetown to Cornell? I've already gotten into GULC and I was mulling over whether to apply to Cornell but I would rather live in DC anyway so if they are the same in terms of prestige and job prospects then i ll probably stick with GULC.
2. It's huge
3. Only T14 with a PT program
4. Only T14 that's a "law center"
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^^^.
Right. Georgetown's problem isn't respect and prestige. It's sheer size and location. There just aren't enough firms who recruit at GULC to absorb 670+ JDs each year. There are more below-median GULC graduates each year than Cornell, Duke, Penn, NU, etc, grads total. That hurts overall placement.
Right. Georgetown's problem isn't respect and prestige. It's sheer size and location. There just aren't enough firms who recruit at GULC to absorb 670+ JDs each year. There are more below-median GULC graduates each year than Cornell, Duke, Penn, NU, etc, grads total. That hurts overall placement.
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Re: Why does Georgetown get a bad rep?
Fair enough, if I am interested in practicing in the Atlanta area though will that help me since fewer Georgetown grads likely go down there so I won't have as big of a problem differentiating myself? And most of the graduates who I'll be competing will have mostly gone to lower ranked schools?vanwinkle wrote:These are both important points. With a huge class size and a home market desired by every T14, it leads to greater competition than the rest of the T14.bdubs wrote:Georgetown is 3x the size of Cornell and it seems to hurt the grads in terms of recruiting prospects. I guess its harder to differentiate yourself when you have 600 peers instead of 200.
Additionally, DC has a reputation on TLS as being a very hard market to break into. Cornell naturally feeds into NYC while Georgetown is at a bit of a disadvantage on its home turf.
GULC's lay prestige is ridiculous. When I told people back home I was going to Virginia, they'd keep responding with, "If you're moving near DC, why don't you try for Georgetown?"bdubs wrote:Lay prestige at Georgetown is high, while its prestige amongst law firms is probably on par with Cornell if not slightly higher.
As much as folks put down GULC here, it is a well-respected law school in the legal market. The problems are just that there are so many GULC grads and heavy competition for DC-area jobs. Those things make things rougher for most GULC students, but they don't mean the degree isn't respected in the profession.
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My impression is that Atlanta firms favor Duke & Vanderbilt over Georgetown.
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vanderbilt? really? my impression was that T14 always trumps non T14 even when that non T14 is in that market.CanadianWolf wrote:My impression is that Atlanta firms favor Duke & Vanderbilt over Georgetown.
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Or a higher percentage of Duke and Vanderbilt's students are from Atlanta.CanadianWolf wrote:My impression is that Atlanta firms favor Duke & Vanderbilt over Georgetown.
This is why comparing school's placement in secondary markets is so difficult.
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Re: Why does Georgetown get a bad rep?
Schools get bad reps on TLS b/c of reasons like "omg itz a 'law center!'" I've never heard of Georgetown having a "bad rep" outside of TLS. Since the % of people on TLS in the position to make a hiring decision on you is small, I wouldn't worry about it. Georgetown's an awesome law school.
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More important than where the law students are from is from what law school did the hiring partners graduate.
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MissLucky wrote:vanderbilt? really? my impression was that T14 always trumps non T14 even when that non T14 is in that market.CanadianWolf wrote:My impression is that Atlanta firms favor Duke & Vanderbilt over Georgetown.
Cornell grad and UT grad both apply for a job at V&E in Dallas. Both have similar grades. who gets the job?
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If you're from the Atlanta area (or the South generally enough), GULC would be great for you. If you're not, Atlanta employers are going to look at you and go "WTF are you applying here for?"thedude221 wrote:Fair enough, if I am interested in practicing in the Atlanta area though will that help me since fewer Georgetown grads likely go down there so I won't have as big of a problem differentiating myself? And most of the graduates who I'll be competing will have mostly gone to lower ranked schools?
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Re: Why does Georgetown get a bad rep?
A law student graduates from a T-14 school and falls in a forest. No one is there to see this. Does she make a sound?nonprofit-prophet wrote:MissLucky wrote:vanderbilt? really? my impression was that T14 always trumps non T14 even when that non T14 is in that market.CanadianWolf wrote:My impression is that Atlanta firms favor Duke & Vanderbilt over Georgetown.
Cornell grad and UT grad both apply for a job at V&E in Dallas. Both have similar grades. who gets the job?
I think GULC has extreme lay prestige, especially if you're like me and were raised Catholic/Jesuit. Notre Dame is the same way for Catholics, I think.
To play devil's advocate, or to raise another point: doesn't having a large number of alumni/alumnae mean that your opportunity to be cutty and network increase? Perhaps a large alumni/alumnae network can benefit you in that way?
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Re: Why does Georgetown get a bad rep?
Easy question posed above: If a Cornell grad & a Texas grad with identical law school GPAs & class rank apply for a position at Vinson & Elkins in Dallas, Texas who gets the job ?
Easy answer: Whomever the hiring partner from SMU likes better.
Easy answer: Whomever the hiring partner from SMU likes better.
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The law school of the hiring partner is not really an important factor at all.CanadianWolf wrote:More important than where the law students are from is from what law school did the hiring partners graduate.
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Re: Why does Georgetown get a bad rep?
bdubs wrote:Georgetown is 3x the size of Cornell and it seems to hurt the grads in terms of recruiting prospects. I guess its harder to differentiate yourself when you have 600 peers instead of 200.
Additionally, DC has a reputation on TLS as being a very hard market to break into. Cornell naturally feeds into NYC while Georgetown is at a bit of a disadvantage on its home turf.
Lay prestige at Georgetown is high, while its prestige amongst law firms is probably on par with Cornell if not slightly higher.
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DC has that "reputation" everywhere, bro. It's because it's true.bostlaw wrote:bdubs wrote:Georgetown is 3x the size of Cornell and it seems to hurt the grads in terms of recruiting prospects. I guess its harder to differentiate yourself when you have 600 peers instead of 200.
Additionally, DC has a reputation on TLS as being a very hard market to break into. Cornell naturally feeds into NYC while Georgetown is at a bit of a disadvantage on its home turf.
Lay prestige at Georgetown is high, while its prestige amongst law firms is probably on par with Cornell if not slightly higher.
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Truth.RVP11 wrote:DC has that "reputation" everywhere, bro. It's because it's true.bostlaw wrote:bdubs wrote:Georgetown is 3x the size of Cornell and it seems to hurt the grads in terms of recruiting prospects. I guess its harder to differentiate yourself when you have 600 peers instead of 200.
Additionally, DC has a reputation on TLS as being a very hard market to break into. Cornell naturally feeds into NYC while Georgetown is at a bit of a disadvantage on its home turf.
Lay prestige at Georgetown is high, while its prestige amongst law firms is probably on par with Cornell if not slightly higher.
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Even at Harvard? DC is the second largest legal market in the country, I can't imagine that it is very hard for a Harvard grad to find a market paying job here.vanwinkle wrote:Truth.RVP11 wrote:DC has that "reputation" everywhere, bro. It's because it's true.bostlaw wrote:bdubs wrote:Georgetown is 3x the size of Cornell and it seems to hurt the grads in terms of recruiting prospects. I guess its harder to differentiate yourself when you have 600 peers instead of 200.
Additionally, DC has a reputation on TLS as being a very hard market to break into. Cornell naturally feeds into NYC while Georgetown is at a bit of a disadvantage on its home turf.
Lay prestige at Georgetown is high, while its prestige amongst law firms is probably on par with Cornell if not slightly higher.
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I personally think that TLS exaggerates the difficulty a bit, but it's definitely harder than the other mass legal market: NYC.bdubs wrote:Even at Harvard? DC is the second largest legal market in the country, I can't imagine that it is very hard for a Harvard grad to find a market paying job here.
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