Splitters in law school

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solidsnake
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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby solidsnake » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:15 pm

Anecdotally, my ugpa was .9 below my school's median and lsat was 7 points above. I came in top 1%

you 1Ls shouldnt even be on these boards november-december. but to each his own.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby D-ROCCA » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:18 pm

solidsnake wrote:you 1Ls shouldnt even be on these boards november-december


This board can sometimes be a great resource to people looking for helpful study tips for 1Ls. Oh well.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby MrKappus » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:20 pm

2011Law wrote:I'm just wondering (since I'll be one soon enough) how classic splitters do in law school as compared to people who are closer to both medians or reverse splitters.


None of the entry stats are that important in my personal experience. I was low gpa/slightly above median LSAT and I'm top 5%/LR. 40% Hard work + 60% luck = 1L performance.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby 2011Law » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:20 pm

christ this thread grew fast, I guess I'm not the only one with nothing better to do than philosophy hw, glass of jameson, and the interwebs. also, I did not take the first comments seriously, though I understand that I did not ask the most intellectually stimulating question.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby D. H2Oman » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:21 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
D-ROCCA wrote:
twert wrote:this threads NOT funny.

Dude has an honest question and fuckers like DF and H2Oman intentionally give him stupid advice. If he didn't know they were d-bags, he might believe them. It's one thing to mock a dumb question, it's another to just fuck with people for the lulz.


Oh man you should have been here for the drug test thread where I was this close to getting a guy to shave his head.



We have no way of knowing for sure, he may very well have actually done it.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby Mike12188 » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:21 pm

I really like the post about retaking to lower your LSAT score to be at the median of your local TTTs

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby D. H2Oman » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:22 pm

2011Law wrote:christ this thread grew fast, I guess I'm not the only one with nothing better to do than philosophy hw, glass of jameson, and the interwebs. also, I did not take the first comments seriously, though I understand that I did not ask the most intellectually stimulating question.



On behalf of DRocca I accept your apology

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby NayBoer » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:32 pm

Splitters do horribly in law school. My school has a bunch of programs to teach us how to study and take exams, but I'm too much of a splitter to attend any of them.

If things continue this way, I'll have to transfer down to GULC PT.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby Adjudicator » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:36 pm

Mike12188 wrote:I really like the post about retaking to lower your LSAT score to be at the median of your local TTTs


Thanks, that mean a lot to me.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby Sandro » Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:57 pm

some of the dumbest people I know have high GPAs. On the other hand, NONE of the dumbest people I know have high LSAT scores.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby Deuce » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:03 pm

I personally know my high GPA from online business courses at a state school will absolutely guarantee success in law school. OP, you don't have a chance against mega-minds like myself. Give up now.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby Lawquacious » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:14 pm

Lol at all the sarcasm.. I suspect that of (1) above median LSAT along with below median UGPA vs. (2) below median LSAT with above-median GPA, category (1) tends to grade better typically in law school.. LSAT is meant to correlate with law school performance after all (by requiring some of the same analytical and logical skills) whereas undergrad grading seems to widely vary by school and program.. I guess this is probably obvious to a lot of people (though maybe people will also genuinely disagree?) and hence the sarcasm.. However, I don't know what the actual data on this is (or if there is any) and so this is entirely speculation... The other thing is that even if one position would tend to be more advantageous for you than another statistically, how things actually play out individually obviously doesn't always conform in a predictable manner to what the trend may look like...

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby dissonance1848 » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:21 pm

Your LSAT + UGPA accounts for 20% of 1L grade variance. Thats total shit. 80% is other stuff. So, someone whose is below 25% on both GPA and LSAT actually has a good shot at being top of the class, the relationship is just too weak. You would need insane differences (like being over 1.0 lower in GPA than the median from a crappy school with no real classes, or 10 lsat points below median) for these two variables to start having a real influence (meaning that the person is both really lazy and below average intelligence).

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby Anomaly » Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:46 pm

dissonance1848 wrote:Your LSAT + UGPA accounts for 20% of 1L grade variance. Thats total shit. 80% is other stuff. So, someone whose is below 25% on both GPA and LSAT actually has a good shot at being top of the class, the relationship is just too weak. You would need insane differences (like being over 1.0 lower in GPA than the median from a crappy school with no real classes, or 10 lsat points below median) for these two variables to start having a real influence (meaning that the person is both really lazy and below average intelligence).


This post is so worthless.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby Z3RO » Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:53 pm

dissonance1848 wrote:Your LSAT + UGPA accounts for 20% of 1L grade variance. Thats total shit. 80% is other stuff. So, someone whose is below 25% on both GPA and LSAT actually has a good shot at being top of the class, the relationship is just too weak. You would need insane differences (like being over 1.0 lower in GPA than the median from a crappy school with no real classes, or 10 lsat points below median) for these two variables to start having a real influence (meaning that the person is both really lazy and below average intelligence).

I hope you're not confusing a correlation coefficient with actually indicating "how much x is responsible for y".

It's not like law school performance is stone soup, and each factor (UGPA, LSAT, URM, Economic background, WE) are ingredients...

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby jrwhitedog » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:27 pm

Mike12188 wrote:Splitters are just people who got LUCKY on the LSAT, essentially idiots. I'm sure they do horrible in law school.


Then why the so claimed smart people just can't do well in lsat? You are so ridiculous.
The only reason the splitters are lucky is because they are smart but just not dedicated enough during their undergraduate studies. To be fair,I believe lsat is a better way than gpa to test your intelligence.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby whymeohgodno » Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:27 pm

This thread is awesome. It's amazing how much better trolling is when it's collaborative.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:21 pm

jrwhitedog wrote:
Mike12188 wrote:Splitters are just people who got LUCKY on the LSAT, essentially idiots. I'm sure they do horrible in law school.


Then why the so claimed smart people just can't do well in lsat? You are so ridiculous.
The only reason the splitters are lucky is because they are smart but just not dedicated enough during their undergraduate studies. To be fair,I believe lsat is a better way than gpa to test your intelligence.


I was a splitter (2180/3.2) when applying to UG. Now I'm a semi-reverse splitter (166/3.94). Sometimes people turn their work ethics around--something my HS GPA would not have predicted.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby arism87 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:23 pm

I was a splitter (2180/3.2) when applying to UG.


Makes me feel old.

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby whymeohgodno » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:23 pm

HeavenWood wrote:
jrwhitedog wrote:
Mike12188 wrote:Splitters are just people who got LUCKY on the LSAT, essentially idiots. I'm sure they do horrible in law school.


Then why the so claimed smart people just can't do well in lsat? You are so ridiculous.
The only reason the splitters are lucky is because they are smart but just not dedicated enough during their undergraduate studies. To be fair,I believe lsat is a better way than gpa to test your intelligence.


I was a splitter (2180/3.2) when applying to UG. Now I'm a semi-reverse splitter (166/3.94). Sometimes people turn their work ethics around--something my HS GPA would not have predicted.


Man, I hated the writing portion of the SATs. Do UG's even look at that section now?

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:24 pm

arism87 wrote:
I was a splitter (1390/3.2) when applying to UG.


Makes me feel old.


Fixed it for the old people :mrgreen: (I performed exceptionally well on the section that didn't matter).

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby James Bond » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:25 pm

I <3 this thread. hidden gold

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby Miracle » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:25 pm

Ohhh my....

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby bergg007 » Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:29 pm

whymeohgodno wrote:This thread is awesome. It's amazing how much better trolling is when it's collaborative.


competitive

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Re: Splitters in law school

Postby 09042014 » Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:15 am

HeavenWood wrote:
jrwhitedog wrote:
Mike12188 wrote:Splitters are just people who got LUCKY on the LSAT, essentially idiots. I'm sure they do horrible in law school.


Then why the so claimed smart people just can't do well in lsat? You are so ridiculous.
The only reason the splitters are lucky is because they are smart but just not dedicated enough during their undergraduate studies. To be fair,I believe lsat is a better way than gpa to test your intelligence.


I was a splitter (2180/3.2) when applying to UG. Now I'm a semi-reverse splitter (166/3.94). Sometimes people turn their work ethics around--something my HS GPA would not have predicted.


I was a reverse splitter 4.2/4.0 with a 31 ACT. Now I'm a 176/2.8.




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