Law schools in great family places

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby thechee » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:41 pm

blowhard wrote:
czelede wrote:
Penn is actually ranked 4th in the nation for undergraduate studies, behind HYP and tied with CalTech, MIT, and Stanford.

*Not that I'm negating your argument, just saying.


It is and my brother went to Penn and later work for Penn's business office. But it wasn't like there were recruiters lined up at the door or a sense of awe when he said Penn or anything. Yale/Harvard/Princeton have way more prestige.

Also, he went to public school and I don't know one of his college friends that went to private...


Penn, no. Wharton, yes.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby 20160810 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:46 pm

Danteshek wrote:
blowhard wrote:
Danteshek wrote:I went to Harvard Westlake (the best private school in LA). Tuition is not $40,000.

Tuition $29,200
New Student Fee
$2,000
Bus Service (optional) $1,850*
Other Costs $2,000**

*Middle School service.
Upper School service (subsidized) is $999.

**Books, meals, activities, etc. Typical, but subject to variation.


$30K a year for K-12? That's insane.


7-12. You get what you pay for. Over 50% of my classmates went to Ivy League colleges.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby thechee » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:47 pm

blowhard wrote:
Remnantofisrael wrote:
blowhard wrote:
dougroberts wrote:Minnesota is easily the best place to raise a family!!


http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2010/snapshots/PL2718116.html


But one of the worst places to go to law school...


Is it really? Its top 20 is it not? I am missing why it is getting knocked when U Washington and other lower ranking schools aren't? Minnesota was on my long list, should it not be? I mean, obviously T-14 is what I'm hoping for, but is Minnesota higher ranked than it should be?

Also, Private school tuition isn't in the cards right now. And frankly (you can hate me for saying this) any town that has terrible public schools is likely not as "family friendly" as everyone likes to suggest. There are very nice rich areas in LA, I'm sure. But would you let your kids bike over to a neighbor who lives half a mile away or go by themselves to the public swimming pool? At night?

Times are different, I know, but where I grew up, all the kids played outside all summer, no one was worried anything would happen, neighbors looked out for eachother, all the moms hung out and each little community (lets say 4 square miles) had a public pool and so everyone knew lots of people around them. There were block-parties, always people out grilling or drinking a cooler, etc.


I said Ann Arbor. MN isn't bad if you want to live in MN forever. MN isn't getting you a solid job in NYC. Outside of the T14, rankings mean less and less. There is no difference between 15 and 50. (They don't really mean much in the T14 either except for what firms tend to hire from there.) I also told the OP with his scores he should be concentrating more on top schools. I never mentioned LA.

Edit: Just realized you are the OP. You should be aiming at T14. Outside of there it is regional. Where do you want to live and work after school? Would you want to live in MN permanently? Ann Arbor has great public schools btw.


MN is a fabulous place to live. I went to college in a small town near Minneapolis, and absolutely loved the Twin Cities and surrounding area. If there's anywhere in the US I could live, MN is it. Many friends from my UG went to Minnesota for law school, and they're all doing fine, even those who just graduated.

I'll be going to a T10, and plan to come back to MN to work.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:49 pm

thechee wrote:
blowhard wrote:
czelede wrote:
Penn is actually ranked 4th in the nation for undergraduate studies, behind HYP and tied with CalTech, MIT, and Stanford.

*Not that I'm negating your argument, just saying.


It is and my brother went to Penn and later work for Penn's business office. But it wasn't like there were recruiters lined up at the door or a sense of awe when he said Penn or anything. Yale/Harvard/Princeton have way more prestige.

Also, he went to public school and I don't know one of his college friends that went to private...


Penn, no. Wharton, yes.


I said undergrad. Of course grad programs your institutions and research opportunities means more.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:50 pm

SoftBoiledLife wrote:
Danteshek wrote:
blowhard wrote:
Danteshek wrote:I went to Harvard Westlake (the best private school in LA). Tuition is not $40,000.

Tuition $29,200
New Student Fee
$2,000
Bus Service (optional) $1,850*
Other Costs $2,000**

*Middle School service.
Upper School service (subsidized) is $999.

**Books, meals, activities, etc. Typical, but subject to variation.


$30K a year for K-12? That's insane.


7-12. You get what you pay for. Over 50% of my classmates went to Ivy League colleges.

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I debated posting this for like 10 min...

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby thechee » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:50 pm

blowhard wrote:
thechee wrote:
blowhard wrote:
czelede wrote:
Penn is actually ranked 4th in the nation for undergraduate studies, behind HYP and tied with CalTech, MIT, and Stanford.

*Not that I'm negating your argument, just saying.


It is and my brother went to Penn and later work for Penn's business office. But it wasn't like there were recruiters lined up at the door or a sense of awe when he said Penn or anything. Yale/Harvard/Princeton have way more prestige.

Also, he went to public school and I don't know one of his college friends that went to private...


Penn, no. Wharton, yes.


I said undergrad. Of course grad programs your institutions and research opportunities means more.


I was referring to Wharton's undergrad program.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby thechee » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:53 pm

I didn't go to Penn, but I don't think it would be a stretch to say that for getting a job straight out of college, Wharton>HYP, at least in strictly monetary terms.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:53 pm

thechee wrote:
I was referring to Wharton's undergrad program.


Didn't realize they had undergrad. An undergrad in business doesn't mean shit even from Wharton. It's attractive sure, but I still doubt recruiters are lining up. After reading up on it for a few min, it seems the main attraction to undergrad at Wharton is easier admission to MBA at Wharton.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby czelede » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:55 pm

Poor Penn State, always gets picked on :(

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby 20160810 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:55 pm

blowhard wrote:I debated posting this for like 10 min...


If you're going to proudly declare to everyone that you got what you paid for at your "elite" $30,000/yr high school because you and your classmates all attend such elite schools and do such impressive things, then it's fair game to point out that you transferred to a T2 IMHO.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby czelede » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:56 pm

SoftBoiledLife wrote:
blowhard wrote:I debated posting this for like 10 min...


If you're going to proudly declare to everyone that you got what you paid for at your "elite" $30,000/yr high school because you and your classmates all attend such elite schools and do such impressive things, then it's fair game to point out that you transferred to a T2 IMHO.

Humility begets respect, but arrogance begets humility as I was once told.


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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:57 pm

czelede wrote:Poor Penn State, always gets picked on :(


I actually like Penn State. If I hadn't gotten into the T14, it's where I'd be going to LS.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:58 pm

czelede wrote:
SoftBoiledLife wrote:
blowhard wrote:I debated posting this for like 10 min...


If you're going to proudly declare to everyone that you got what you paid for at your "elite" $30,000/yr high school because you and your classmates all attend such elite schools and do such impressive things, then it's fair game to point out that you transferred to a T2 IMHO.

Humility begets respect, but arrogance begets humility as I was once told.


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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby thechee » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:58 pm

blowhard wrote:
thechee wrote:
I was referring to Wharton's undergrad program.


Didn't realize they had undergrad. An undergrad in business doesn't mean shit even from Wharton. It's attractive sure, but I still doubt recruiters are lining up. After reading up on it for a few min, it seems the main attraction to undergrad at Wharton is easier admission to MBA at Wharton.


No, this is completely false. After bonuses, the average Wharton grad is pulling in over 100k their first year out, which is higher than the average starting salary of most the law schools mentioned in this thread.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:00 pm

thechee wrote:
blowhard wrote:
thechee wrote:
I was referring to Wharton's undergrad program.


Didn't realize they had undergrad. An undergrad in business doesn't mean shit even from Wharton. It's attractive sure, but I still doubt recruiters are lining up. After reading up on it for a few min, it seems the main attraction to undergrad at Wharton is easier admission to MBA at Wharton.


No, this is completely false. After bonuses, the average Wharton grad is pulling in over 100k, which is higher than the average starting salary of most the law schools mentioned in this thread.


Hmm, learn something new. My brother has a business degree from Penn (not sure if it was Wharton or not). Now he stays at home with his daughter. To each his own I guess.

Edit: pre-recession the average was $60K. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vpul.upenn.edu%2Fcareerservices%2Fwharton%2Fsurveys%2FWharton2007Report.pdf&ei=fYNYTKqvAoWTnQewyPnfCQ&usg=AFQjCNHtvQ7KEjk-57usJYCNvFLc0oUElw&sig2=42lgJDYf1WwRGTQVZ29CSw

With bonus would break $100K but I doubt that ITE. It looks like i-banks pull those figures way up.
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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby 20160810 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:03 pm

Berkeley supposedly has a pretty well-ranked business school, and many of my friends who went there just for undergrad are pulling salaries in the $60-120K range now. Good money, but it's worth pointing out that the work they do is, from the sounds of it, incredibly incredibly boring.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:04 pm

SoftBoiledLife wrote:Berkeley supposedly has a pretty well-ranked business school, and many of my friends who went there just for undergrad are pulling salaries in the $60-120K range now. Good money, but it's worth pointing out that the work they do is, from the sounds of it, incredibly incredibly boring.


My brother worked for an investment firm for a while. His whole job was not letting the account balance reach a pre-set level. When the accountant told him it was close, he'd transfer money into the account.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby sundevil77 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:04 pm

SoftBoiledLife wrote:
Danteshek wrote:
blowhard wrote:
Danteshek wrote:I went to Harvard Westlake (the best private school in LA). Tuition is not $40,000.

Tuition $29,200
New Student Fee
$2,000
Bus Service (optional) $1,850*
Other Costs $2,000**

*Middle School service.
Upper School service (subsidized) is $999.

**Books, meals, activities, etc. Typical, but subject to variation.


$30K a year for K-12? That's insane.


7-12. You get what you pay for. Over 50% of my classmates went to Ivy League colleges.

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Haha. If the moral of this story is that a $30K/year high school and a $40K/year Ivy UG (both of which have little bearing on your future career) have paved the road to Loyola, then I'm not sure you've made your point.

On a side note, this thread has been totally and utterly derailed.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby thechee » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:04 pm

And there's the mid-recession info: http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservice ... Report.pdf

Average salary is around 60k, bonuses have fallen to around 28k for men and 18k for women. But still, 60k+24 (avg) bonus+9k sign on bonus is still over 90k.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby czelede » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:05 pm

FWIW, I really think Penn's "eliteness" comes down to the individual recruiter/person/company that you are asking. There doesn't seem to be a general consensus on it.

Also, 60k entry-level for only having a BS in Business is really pretty good.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:05 pm

http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/undergrad/admissions/faqs.cfm wrote:Exceptionally well. Graduating Wharton students from the Class of 2009 averaged nearly 12 job interviews and almost 2 job offers. These Wharton graduates entered jobs in over 20 industries and 60 job functions, and had an average starting salary of over $59,852. You can see career plans surveys here.


Wow, almost two offers.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby thechee » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:06 pm

SoftBoiledLife wrote:Berkeley supposedly has a pretty well-ranked business school, and many of my friends who went there just for undergrad are pulling salaries in the $60-120K range now. Good money, but it's worth pointing out that the work they do is, from the sounds of it, incredibly incredibly boring.


Agreed. Like I said, strictly speaking in monetary terms.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby 03121202698008 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:06 pm

sundevil77 wrote:On a side note, this thread has been totally and utterly derailed.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby thechee » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:07 pm

blowhard wrote:
http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/undergrad/admissions/faqs.cfm wrote:Exceptionally well. Graduating Wharton students from the Class of 2009 averaged nearly 12 job interviews and almost 2 job offers. These Wharton graduates entered jobs in over 20 industries and 60 job functions, and had an average starting salary of over $59,852. You can see career plans surveys here.


Wow, almost two offers.


Which is way better than the zero offers that over half of college grads ended up with at graduation last year.

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Re: Law schools in great family places

Postby 20160810 » Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:07 pm

blowhard wrote:
http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/undergrad/admissions/faqs.cfm wrote:Exceptionally well. Graduating Wharton students from the Class of 2009 averaged nearly 12 job interviews and almost 2 job offers. These Wharton graduates entered jobs in over 20 industries and 60 job functions, and had an average starting salary of over $59,852. You can see career plans surveys here.


Wow, almost two offers.

You can make close to $59,000 teaching at a charter school, and you get summers and holidays off. I don't understand the appeal of entry-level business jobs.




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