LSDAS; "Excluded from School's GPA"

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LSDAS; "Excluded from School's GPA"

Postby petrovovitch@ » Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:33 pm

What's this mean for my LSDAS GPA if I have a U?
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Re: LSDAS; "Excluded from School's GPA"

Postby bankruptedcasino » Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:55 pm

Perhaps someone wiser than me can confirm, but it means that your "U" is not calculated in your school's GPA which means LSDAS will count it as an F.

Wish I had better news, but since I'm not 100% then it could not be all bad.

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Re: LSDAS; "Excluded from School's GPA"

Postby acrossthelake » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:09 pm

No, the opposite. It means LSDAS won't count it into your LSDAS GPA. I'm pretty sure because I had a similar thing on my chart for my transcript(not a U, something else), and it wasn't counted.

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Re: LSDAS; "Excluded from School's GPA"

Postby Bildungsroman » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:13 pm

acrossthelake wrote:No, the opposite. It means LSDAS won't count it into your LSDAS GPA. I'm pretty sure because I had a similar thing on my chart for my transcript(not a U, something else), and it wasn't counted.


If that "U" stands for unsatisfactory, then you are incorrect.

LSAC wrote:Failing Grades
Any grade notation that signifies failure (such as No Credit, No Credit/Fail, Not Passing, Incomplete/Fail, Withdraw/Fail, Unsatisfactory, Fail, etc.) is converted to zero on the 4.0 scale and is included in the calculation of the GPA, even if the issuing school considers the grade to be nonpunitive. Failure is defined as credit attempted but not earned. If a transcript is not clear about credit attempted, LSAC staff will contact the registrar at the issuing school to confirm whether course credit was attempted. Incomplete and Withdraw grades considered punitive by the issuing school will be included in the conversion. The only exception to this policy is for No Credit, Withdraw/Fail, repeated courses, and incomplete grades specifically explained in Grades Excluded From Conversion.

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Re: LSDAS; "Excluded from School's GPA"

Postby acrossthelake » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:27 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:
If that "U" stands for unsatisfactory, then you are incorrect.

LSAC wrote:Failing Grades
Any grade notation that signifies failure (such as No Credit, No Credit/Fail, Not Passing, Incomplete/Fail, Withdraw/Fail, Unsatisfactory, Fail, etc.) is converted to zero on the 4.0 scale and is included in the calculation of the GPA, even if the issuing school considers the grade to be nonpunitive. Failure is defined as credit attempted but not earned. If a transcript is not clear about credit attempted, LSAC staff will contact the registrar at the issuing school to confirm whether course credit was attempted. Incomplete and Withdraw grades considered punitive by the issuing school will be included in the conversion. The only exception to this policy is for No Credit, Withdraw/Fail, repeated courses, and incomplete grades specifically explained in Grades Excluded From Conversion.


Bolded the last part. That's probably why it worked that way for me.

For my transcript in that column+row it had "NC"(which is No Credit) and my NC wasn't calculated in. (Although, on second thought, my NC also wasn't on my transcript....)

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Re: LSDAS; "Excluded from School's GPA"

Postby petrovovitch@ » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:30 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:No, the opposite. It means LSDAS won't count it into your LSDAS GPA. I'm pretty sure because I had a similar thing on my chart for my transcript(not a U, something else), and it wasn't counted.


If that "U" stands for unsatisfactory, then you are incorrect.

LSAC wrote:Failing Grades
Any grade notation that signifies failure (such as No Credit, No Credit/Fail, Not Passing, Incomplete/Fail, Withdraw/Fail, Unsatisfactory, Fail, etc.) is converted to zero on the 4.0 scale and is included in the calculation of the GPA, even if the issuing school considers the grade to be nonpunitive. Failure is defined as credit attempted but not earned. If a transcript is not clear about credit attempted, LSAC staff will contact the registrar at the issuing school to confirm whether course credit was attempted. Incomplete and Withdraw grades considered punitive by the issuing school will be included in the conversion. The only exception to this policy is for No Credit, Withdraw/Fail, repeated courses, and incomplete grades specifically explained in Grades Excluded From Conversion.

well isn't that pretty important? where is this explanation?

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Re: LSDAS; "Excluded from School's GPA"

Postby acrossthelake » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:37 pm

Nonpunitive Course Credit Hours: The total number of credits assigned to the following grades will appear here: grade symbols that have multiple meanings at the issuing school, and the issuing school’s registrar is unable to confirm whether course credit was attempted (such as NC = either No Credit Attempted or No Credit Awarded, etc.); withdrawal grades that signify failure (such as WF = Withdrawal/Fail, WU = Withdrew Unsatisfactory, WNP = Withdrew Not Passing, etc.) if the issuing school considers the grade nonpunitive (not included in the GPA); and the original grade for a repeated course when the transcript does not show both the grade and units for the original attempt.


From my personal experience with a grade in that column(a NC), it was not calculated. However, my transcript also doesn't show NC's, so that might not be helpful.

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Re: LSDAS; "Excluded from School's GPA"

Postby Bildungsroman » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:45 pm

The policy is pretty explicit that an Unsatisfactory is calculated as a failing grade.

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Re: LSDAS; "Excluded from School's GPA"

Postby acrossthelake » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:51 pm

Hm, perhaps so. Well OP, just send in your transcript and see!

Okay so my report says:
"Nonpunitive "NC", "WF", and "Repeated" Course Credit Hours: 0.0"
Mine wasn't calculated because they can't see it, then, and not because NC was in that column/row.

Yeah in that case, if it is an unsatisfactory it will probably be calculated.
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Re: LSDAS; "Excluded from School's GPA"

Postby BenJ » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:51 pm

LSAC's U stands for "ungraded". It's what they use to designate AP and IB credits, as well as possibly some other stuff. A U meaning unsatisfactory will be treated as an F.

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Re: LSDAS; "Excluded from School's GPA"

Postby im_blue » Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:10 pm

Bildungsroman wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:No, the opposite. It means LSDAS won't count it into your LSDAS GPA. I'm pretty sure because I had a similar thing on my chart for my transcript(not a U, something else), and it wasn't counted.


If that "U" stands for unsatisfactory, then you are incorrect.

LSAC wrote:Failing Grades
Any grade notation that signifies failure (such as No Credit, No Credit/Fail, Not Passing, Incomplete/Fail, Withdraw/Fail, Unsatisfactory, Fail, etc.) is converted to zero on the 4.0 scale and is included in the calculation of the GPA, even if the issuing school considers the grade to be nonpunitive. Failure is defined as credit attempted but not earned. If a transcript is not clear about credit attempted, LSAC staff will contact the registrar at the issuing school to confirm whether course credit was attempted. Incomplete and Withdraw grades considered punitive by the issuing school will be included in the conversion. The only exception to this policy is for No Credit, Withdraw/Fail, repeated courses, and incomplete grades specifically explained in Grades Excluded From Conversion.

This is correct (link here: http://www.lsac.org/Policies/transcript ... zation.asp). It's saying that the undergrad does not count U in its GPA, but LSAC still counts it as an F.




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