Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

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Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby mz253 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:22 pm

well, i haven't done that much research. based on my PT, i guess my chances at T14 is pretty slim. I wonder if I prefer to practice law in CA or WA (definitely will not work for the government or public sector, international student). but I'm open to other locations as long as there's no cold winter. (i'm really sick of the weather in new england).

what non T14 schools would be good? This is my tentative list.

UCLA and USC (my top choice)
BU and BC
Vandy
Emory
U of Washington
UC Davies
College of Williams and Mary

any additions?
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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby mallard » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:24 pm

You're basically listing the top non-T14 schools. Have you taken the LSAT?

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby romothesavior » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:30 pm

Texas, Vanderbilt, UCLA are the best non T-14s. Beyond that it gets regional and there is a pretty sizeable drop off, but WUSTL, UIUC, USC, BU, BC, ND, GW, and Emory are good in their respective regions and can place relatively well outside of their region if you're at the top of the class. If you're interested in NYC, then Fordham is a decent option as well.

But I wouldn't attend any of the schools I just listed without big scholarship money. But that's just me.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby mz253 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:32 pm

i think they don't give scholarships to international students? i guess my lsat will not leave me that many options.

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Postby A'nold » Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:35 pm

romothesavior wrote:Texas, Vanderbilt, UCLA are the best non T-14s. Beyond that it gets regional and there is a pretty sizeable drop off, but WUSTL, UIUC, USC, BU, BC, ND, GW, and Emory are good in their respective regions and can place relatively well outside of their region if you're at the top of the class. If you're interested in NYC, then Fordham is a decent option as well.

But I wouldn't attend any of the schools I just listed without big scholarship money. But that's just me.


:cry:

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby Cactus » Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:54 pm

If you like Texas, I've heard good things about SMU's placement in Dallas big law.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby holydonkey » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:01 pm

mz253 wrote:well, i haven't done that much research. based on my PT, i guess my chances at T14 is pretty slim. I wonder if I prefer to practice law in CA or WA (definitely will not work for the government or public sector, international student). but I'm open to other locations as long as there's no cold winter. (i'm really sick of the weather in new england).

what non T14 schools would be good? This is my tentative list.

UCLA and USC (my top choice)
BU and BC
Vandy
Emory
U of Washington
UC Davies
College of Williams and Mary

any additions?
Davies is great. I would add Irvines and Hastingses.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby romothesavior » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:02 pm

If CA is your goal and you don't want cold weather, you should take BU/BC off your list.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby A'nold » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:03 pm

holydonkey wrote:
mz253 wrote:well, i haven't done that much research. based on my PT, i guess my chances at T14 is pretty slim. I wonder if I prefer to practice law in CA or WA (definitely will not work for the government or public sector, international student). but I'm open to other locations as long as there's no cold winter. (i'm really sick of the weather in new england).

what non T14 schools would be good? This is my tentative list.

UCLA and USC (my top choice)
BU and BC
Vandy
Emory
U of Washington
UC Davies
College of Williams and Mary

any additions?
Davies is great. I would add Irvines and Hastingses.


No Loyolas though.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby mz253 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:34 pm

I heard Hastings are too competitive and people aren't nice? Plus, I'm not super liberal. SF may be too liberal for me.

holydonkey wrote:
mz253 wrote:well, i haven't done that much research. based on my PT, i guess my chances at T14 is pretty slim. I wonder if I prefer to practice law in CA or WA (definitely will not work for the government or public sector, international student). but I'm open to other locations as long as there's no cold winter. (i'm really sick of the weather in new england).

what non T14 schools would be good? This is my tentative list.

UCLA and USC (my top choice)
BU and BC
Vandy
Emory
U of Washington
UC Davies
College of Williams and Mary

any additions?
Davies is great. I would add Irvines and Hastingses.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby mz253 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:35 pm

well, my bf is from RI and he's in CT for grad school now. so i guess that's why they are in my list.

romothesavior wrote:If CA is your goal and you don't want cold weather, you should take BU/BC off your list.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby sophie316 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:52 pm

mz253 wrote:i think they don't give scholarships to international students? i guess my lsat will not leave me that many options.


Depends on the school I'm sure, but I got a scholly from NYU as an int student.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby mz253 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:59 pm

well, i definitely don't have a shot at NYU, sadly.


sophie316 wrote:
mz253 wrote:i think they don't give scholarships to international students? i guess my lsat will not leave me that many options.


Depends on the school I'm sure, but I got a scholly from NYU as an int student.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby sophie316 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:02 pm

mz253 wrote:well, i definitely don't have a shot at NYU, sadly.


sophie316 wrote:
mz253 wrote:i think they don't give scholarships to international students? i guess my lsat will not leave me that many options.


Depends on the school I'm sure, but I got a scholly from NYU as an int student.


I don't think that schools outside of state schools will distinguish between int/non int students for scholarship purposes that are merit based.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby mz253 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:07 pm

i guess i'm trying to get into the best school i can. i like money, but i'd rather pay full tuition at a better school. i mean, isn't law school is just as expensive as college? at least you get much better paid after law school.

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Postby 06072010 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:10 pm

mz253 wrote:i guess i'm trying to get into the best school i can. i like money, but i'd rather pay full tuition at a better school. i mean, isn't law school is just as expensive as college? at least you get much better paid after law school.


Law school can be WAAAAY more expensive and high salaries from the schools you have listed are not anywhere near a sure bet. Rethink this.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby mz253 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:14 pm

why? college is 50k+, law school is 60K+, counting inflation, i feel i'm paying the same, but probably just a little more? assuming i don't go to school in NYC.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby 06072010 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:15 pm

mz253 wrote:why? college is 50k+, law school is 60K+, counting inflation, i feel i'm paying the same, but probably just a little more?


Moh'k. I didn't pay 50/year for undergrad, because that's a little retarded. You didn't address the salary issue, though.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby 06072010 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:28 pm

Let's dig down a little on the salary point.

http://www.law.ucla.edu/home/index.asp?page=1031

http://lawweb.usc.edu/careers/statistics/

Check it out. First, these statistics are SELF REPORTED. Second, they are reporting the median salary, which can be pretty misleading. I want to see the mean, too. Schools should also represent what percentage of students responded to the survey AND the salary question. Don't get me wrong, I'm generally a "go to the best school you get into" kinda guy, but to not consider scholarships whatsoever for what could be minimal payout at the end is not rational.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby mz253 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:29 pm

sent you a PM.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby 06072010 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:31 pm

mz253 wrote:sent you a PM.


Yes, I did receive it but I'd rather respond here because it's the open discussion of issues like this that make message boards thrive and useful for more than just one person.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby mz253 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:32 pm

sure i have no problem with that. i think if i will be happy as long as i can get a job that makes more than 60000.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby Esc » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:34 pm

Um, do you really think law school is going to cost you only 60k+? Have you looked at what tuition is at most of the schools you listed? Or are you just assuming you would only go to a school with close to a full scholarship?

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby mz253 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:37 pm

well, for nyu, i just checked, tuition 46000 per year. i guess room and board for another 20000? i'm not going to school in NYC for sure.

i said law school will cost about 60000 per year. and as long as i get a job that pays more than 60000 per year after law school, i'll be happy. sorry if i was not clear enough.

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Re: Non T14 schools with good employment prospects?

Postby 06072010 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:37 pm

Esc wrote:Um, do you really think law school is going to cost you only 60k+? Have you looked at what tuition is at most of the schools you listed? Or are you just assuming you would only go to a school with close to a full scholarship?


OP is saying per year. Depending on which school, 60k per year in salary is a reasonable target for some of those schools. It's the people banking on 160 I fear for.




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