Georgetown 3L's talk about there employment opportunities...

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Re: Georgetown 3L's talk about there employment opportunities...

Postby Lisa7n99 » Sun May 23, 2010 7:04 pm

God damn at least they are all employed (except for the guy who is running for office, fall back to no job?). I also question anyone who thinks a good idea to broadcast their employment woes on national public radio.

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Postby Patriot1208 » Sun May 23, 2010 8:20 pm

See this just doesn't answer any pertinent questions like: How many people are actually unemployed at graduation? Or where these the worst five people in the graduating class? Did these people try to find jobs outside of DC, NYC, and Cali? I hold a firm belief that if quite a few of the unemployed people could find good jobs if they were willing to go back to ohio or kentucky or missouri or something like that. And wouldn't you rather be employed in Ohio then unemployed in DC? I think too many people are just expecting good jobs to fall in their laps because they go to a t14 law school.

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Postby PLATONiC » Sun May 23, 2010 8:33 pm

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Postby recaldo » Sun May 23, 2010 8:46 pm

Lisa7n99 wrote:God damn at least they are all employed (except for the guy who is running for office, fall back to no job?). I also question anyone who thinks a good idea to broadcast their employment woes on national public radio.


they aren't all employed.

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Postby recaldo » Sun May 23, 2010 8:47 pm

recaldo wrote:
Lisa7n99 wrote:God damn at least they are all employed (except for the guy who is running for office, fall back to no job?). I also question anyone who thinks a good idea to broadcast their employment woes on national public radio.


they aren't all employed.


i know at least 80 ppl at CLS who have no jobs or have some job given to them by columbia set to expire in 6 months

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Postby Matthies » Sun May 23, 2010 8:48 pm

AngryAvocado wrote:Sure, there are people who probably coasted a bit and figured that they'd still have a good shot at 6 figures. I also don't doubt that some people probably did bomb their interviews and/or bid on the wrong firms. But, by and large, plenty of smart people who worked hard, got good grades, interviewed well, and sent out resumes ended up with nothing simply because the legal market isn't so hot, and sticking our heads in the sand and pretending like we'll be different because they must've done something wrong is as insulting as it is ignorant. They didn't do anything but go to law school just before the market collapsed, and we should wake up and realize that a decent percentage of us are going to wish we had taken their advice in a couple of years. I don't think that means we should all panic and not go to law school, but we should plan accordingly and not rely on OCI to make things happen--biglaw or otherwise.


The diffrence between you and them, and most law stundets in law school right now is you usnderstand the latter, they don't. They are in part at fault for this, for sticking thier own heads in the sand. 3L is not the time to realize your emploment plan, wait on the school to provide you interviews, was in hindsight the wrong plan. The simple fact is most 0Ls on here are more likley better informed than many current 2Ls and 3Ls becuase people tend to burry thier head in the sand and look to the class of 2007 (when they started law school) as the example, but that example id dead and gone.

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Re: Georgetown 3L's talk about there employment opportunities...

Postby Patriot1208 » Sun May 23, 2010 8:54 pm

recaldo wrote:
recaldo wrote:
Lisa7n99 wrote:God damn at least they are all employed (except for the guy who is running for office, fall back to no job?). I also question anyone who thinks a good idea to broadcast their employment woes on national public radio.


they aren't all employed.


i know at least 80 ppl at CLS who have no jobs or have some job given to them by columbia set to expire in 6 months


I'm 100% positive you don't know 80 people personally who go to Columbia and don't have jobs.

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Postby thecilent » Sun May 23, 2010 8:58 pm

soundgardener wrote:So sorry that their dreams of working in "international arbitration" and "world trade" straight out of law school did not come to fruition.


This this this this this. "world trade" lmao

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Postby recaldo » Sun May 23, 2010 9:00 pm

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Postby Kilpatrick » Sun May 23, 2010 9:06 pm

recaldo wrote:
Of course I do. How could you be positive? You have no clue.


Did you meet them on your book tour?

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Postby recaldo » Sun May 23, 2010 9:12 pm

Kilpatrick wrote:
recaldo wrote:
Of course I do. How could you be positive? You have no clue.


Did you meet them on your book tour?


Please don't denigrate the work. Thanks.

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Postby Miracle » Sun May 23, 2010 9:14 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:
recaldo wrote:
recaldo wrote:
Lisa7n99 wrote:God damn at least they are all employed (except for the guy who is running for office, fall back to no job?). I also question anyone who thinks a good idea to broadcast their employment woes on national public radio.


they aren't all employed.


i know at least 80 ppl at CLS who have no jobs or have some job given to them by columbia set to expire in 6 months


I'm 100% positive you don't know 80 people personally who go to Columbia and don't have jobs.



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Postby recaldo » Sun May 23, 2010 9:16 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:
I'm 100% positive you don't know 80 people personally who go to Columbia and don't have jobs.



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Postby Kilpatrick » Sun May 23, 2010 9:23 pm

recaldo wrote:
Are saying I don't know 80 people personally. Or are you more discounting that that many people at CLS don't have jobs? Two different accustaions.


They are saying you are a liar. You don't know 80 students at CLS any more than you wrote a famous book or got beaten by your sister or saw a plane crash into your house.

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Re: Georgetown 3L's talk about there employment opportunities...

Postby Lisa7n99 » Sun May 23, 2010 9:33 pm

ah, i stand corrected. either way, i find all of the loathing about the job market to be incredibly depressing and unproductive. i'd be more interested in hearing the antedotes of those students (yes they do exist) who have landed good jobs upon graduation.

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Postby T14_Scholly » Sun May 23, 2010 9:43 pm

I'm just glad that A'nold ducked out of this thread after saying "plummers."

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Re: Georgetown 3L's talk about there employment opportunities...

Postby recaldo » Sun May 23, 2010 10:02 pm

Lisa7n99 wrote:ah, i stand corrected. either way, i find all of the loathing about the job market to be incredibly depressing and unproductive. i'd be more interested in hearing the antedotes of those students (yes they do exist) who have landed good jobs upon graduation.


why? that's normal. god your so boring lisa.

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Re: Georgetown 3L's talk about there employment opportunities...

Postby lawhawk » Mon May 24, 2010 1:13 am

BobSacamano wrote:
soundgardener wrote:So sorry that their dreams of working in "international arbitration" and "world trade" straight out of law school did not come to fruition.

I stopped reading the article right when I hit this line. If someone enrolled in law school with such laughably wild expectations, I simply cannot trust their navigation of the job market either in school or after graduation. That does not mean that the article is misleading or untruthful, it just means that these particular anecdotes are worthless.

edit: Just to soften the blow a little, I'll also add that their expectations are probably not entirely their own fault. The "glossy brochure" syndrome and lack of transparency in post-graduation employment statistics are partly responsible as well.



these kids may have absurdly high expectations/dreams, but that doesn't really change the fact that they sent out over 100 job applications and didn't get hired. Of course, they may not have the best interviewing skills, but still...

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Re: Georgetown 3L's talk about there employment opportunities...

Postby let/them/eat/cake » Mon May 24, 2010 1:32 am

lawhawk wrote:
BobSacamano wrote:
soundgardener wrote:So sorry that their dreams of working in "international arbitration" and "world trade" straight out of law school did not come to fruition.

I stopped reading the article right when I hit this line. If someone enrolled in law school with such laughably wild expectations, I simply cannot trust their navigation of the job market either in school or after graduation. That does not mean that the article is misleading or untruthful, it just means that these particular anecdotes are worthless.

edit: Just to soften the blow a little, I'll also add that their expectations are probably not entirely their own fault. The "glossy brochure" syndrome and lack of transparency in post-graduation employment statistics are partly responsible as well.



these kids may have absurdly high expectations/dreams, but that doesn't really change the fact that they sent out over 100 job applications and didn't get hired. Of course, they may not have the best interviewing skills, but still...


well if they are still willing to talk, on national radio, about those ridiculous career paths they had planned on, then i imagine the self-awareness quotient isn't so high.
Q: "so what were you planning on doing, before the recession hit/when you started up in LS?"
A: "well, ...."
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Re: Georgetown 3L's talk about there employment opportunities...

Postby romothesavior » Mon May 24, 2010 1:55 am

Wow a guy couldn't find a job in international law? MUST BE THE ECONOMY!

Some girl is working for the federal government, but it ain't her first choice job? Boo hoo for her.

And another girl got deferred by a firm and has the opportunity to do a fellowship for a year, and then she gets to start at the firm? How horrific.

Seriously, am I the only person who thinks this article is not that bad and/or not that earth-shattering?

Yes the economy is bad, but everything matthies said is credited. These people should have had their heads out of their asses long ago and not just expected some six figure job or cush federal government job to land in their lap. Again, I know the economy is bad, but these people are not good anecdotal examples to illustrate it.

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Postby D. H2Oman » Mon May 24, 2010 2:01 am

I plan on working in The Hague.

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Postby AngryAvocado » Mon May 24, 2010 2:10 am

D. H2Oman wrote:I plan on working in The Hague.


Damn, me too. Roshambo you for it?

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Postby quickquestionthanks » Mon May 24, 2010 2:17 am

romothesavior wrote:Seriously, am I the only person who thinks this article is not that bad and/or not that earth-shattering?



My thoughts exactly. Surely they could've found five other Georgetown students who are more fucked than those kids.

Also, this

But, by and large, plenty of smart people who worked hard, got good grades, interviewed well, and sent out resumes ended up with nothing simply because the legal market isn't so hot, and sticking our heads in the sand and pretending like we'll be different because they must've done something wrong is as insulting as it is ignorant.


was one of the longest grammatically correct sentences I've seen in a while.

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Re: Georgetown 3L's talk about there employment opportunities...

Postby soundgardener » Mon May 24, 2010 1:01 pm

lawhawk wrote:
BobSacamano wrote:
soundgardener wrote:So sorry that their dreams of working in "international arbitration" and "world trade" straight out of law school did not come to fruition.

I stopped reading the article right when I hit this line. If someone enrolled in law school with such laughably wild expectations, I simply cannot trust their navigation of the job market either in school or after graduation. That does not mean that the article is misleading or untruthful, it just means that these particular anecdotes are worthless.

edit: Just to soften the blow a little, I'll also add that their expectations are probably not entirely their own fault. The "glossy brochure" syndrome and lack of transparency in post-graduation employment statistics are partly responsible as well.



these kids may have absurdly high expectations/dreams, but that doesn't really change the fact that they sent out over 100 job applications and didn't get hired. Of course, they may not have the best interviewing skills, but still...

Spamming unsolicited resumes DOES NOT WORK!! Not in any economy. It doesn't matter if you send out ten or one thousand, the outcome is going to be the same. This is not unique to law. It is simply not the way the job market works.

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Re: Georgetown 3L's talk about there employment opportunities...

Postby T14_Scholly » Mon May 24, 2010 2:05 pm

soundgardener wrote:
lawhawk wrote:
BobSacamano wrote:
soundgardener wrote:So sorry that their dreams of working in "international arbitration" and "world trade" straight out of law school did not come to fruition.

I stopped reading the article right when I hit this line. If someone enrolled in law school with such laughably wild expectations, I simply cannot trust their navigation of the job market either in school or after graduation. That does not mean that the article is misleading or untruthful, it just means that these particular anecdotes are worthless.

edit: Just to soften the blow a little, I'll also add that their expectations are probably not entirely their own fault. The "glossy brochure" syndrome and lack of transparency in post-graduation employment statistics are partly responsible as well.



these kids may have absurdly high expectations/dreams, but that doesn't really change the fact that they sent out over 100 job applications and didn't get hired. Of course, they may not have the best interviewing skills, but still...

Spamming unsolicited resumes DOES NOT WORK!! Not in any economy. It doesn't matter if you send out ten or one thousand, the outcome is going to be the same. This is not unique to law. It is simply not the way the job market works.


That's how I got my job.




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