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Re: Passed the patent bar today

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby BriaTharen » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:24 am

Desert Fox wrote:Hey, how long does it take from applying to take the test, to when you actually take it. Can I do it before September if I apply right away.


From conversations with an IP professor, I think your application takes about 2-3 weeks to process. Once you are approved you have a window of 90 days to take the test- there are hundreds of the computerized testing centers around the country, so you shouldn't have a problem finding one close to you. Only time you would have to wait is if you wanted to do the paper test in DC in April.

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby BriaTharen » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:27 am

thwalls wrote:Hey, just passed the Patent Bar yesterday.

I got the Bullseye materials online that cost about $30, and then I just used the free websites that had already been referred to. I studied about 3-5 hours a day since about mid-march and the test seems easy - only if you study for it. If you walk into the thing assuming that you'll find the answers in the MPEP, you're mistaken.

As for jobs, I just graduated with my PhD in Chemistry and I'm attending law school PT at Temple Univ. in the fall, I've already been contacted by a recruiter and a major law firm who told me that they were only interested in me if I passed the patent bar. I was previously looking for Technical Specialist jobs but I was told that they're really hard to find in this economic climate. I was told that I'd have much more success looking for a patent agent/technical specialist job at a smaller law firm that's willing to take a chance on somebody without claims experience.

But again, I think if you pass the patent bar and have a BS or are not an EE I think the chance of it helping you right away is fairly slim. But if you're going into IP law, you might as well get it out of the way before law school, since you'll never have to take it again.


I was planning on using Bullseye (purchasing it today, actually- so I'm glad I found this thread). Can you give me some more information on it? The website isn't terribly descriptive.

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby 09042014 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:35 am

JessicaTiger wrote:I was planning on using Bullseye (purchasing it today, actually- so I'm glad I found this thread). Can you give me some more information on it? The website isn't terribly descriptive.


JessTig, DF, RoseT E-Study group?

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby Llewellyn » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:41 am

Desert Fox wrote:
JessicaTiger wrote:I was planning on using Bullseye (purchasing it today, actually- so I'm glad I found this thread). Can you give me some more information on it? The website isn't terribly descriptive.


JessTig, DF, RoseT E-Study group?

more like RoseT will be e-teaching you two everything

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby MC Southstar » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:45 am

Llewellyn wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
JessicaTiger wrote:I was planning on using Bullseye (purchasing it today, actually- so I'm glad I found this thread). Can you give me some more information on it? The website isn't terribly descriptive.


JessTig, DF, RoseT E-Study group?

more like RoseT will be e-teaching you two everything


Flame. DF is smartest.

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby 09042014 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:54 am

MC Southstar wrote:
Llewellyn wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
JessicaTiger wrote:I was planning on using Bullseye (purchasing it today, actually- so I'm glad I found this thread). Can you give me some more information on it? The website isn't terribly descriptive.


JessTig, DF, RoseT E-Study group?

more like RoseT will be e-teaching you two everything


Flame. DF is smartest.


But I know the least.

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby thwalls » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:54 am

JessicaTiger wrote:
thwalls wrote:Hey, just passed the Patent Bar yesterday.

I got the Bullseye materials online that cost about $30, and then I just used the free websites that had already been referred to. I studied about 3-5 hours a day since about mid-march and the test seems easy - only if you study for it. If you walk into the thing assuming that you'll find the answers in the MPEP, you're mistaken.

As for jobs, I just graduated with my PhD in Chemistry and I'm attending law school PT at Temple Univ. in the fall, I've already been contacted by a recruiter and a major law firm who told me that they were only interested in me if I passed the patent bar. I was previously looking for Technical Specialist jobs but I was told that they're really hard to find in this economic climate. I was told that I'd have much more success looking for a patent agent/technical specialist job at a smaller law firm that's willing to take a chance on somebody without claims experience.

But again, I think if you pass the patent bar and have a BS or are not an EE I think the chance of it helping you right away is fairly slim. But if you're going into IP law, you might as well get it out of the way before law school, since you'll never have to take it again.


I was planning on using Bullseye (purchasing it today, actually- so I'm glad I found this thread). Can you give me some more information on it? The website isn't terribly descriptive.


I liked it. In a way you are getting what you pay for. It provides an outline of the pertinent chapters and references specific questions that are repeats and where their answers are found in the MPEP. The section on 1800 is somewhat lacking, I would go to mypatentbar.com to find a more in depth discussion of the PCT (which was my trouble section). But I think that if you use their materials in addition to some of the free guides you can find online and plenty of hard work, you should be fine. Memorize the repeat questions that are available from the Bullseye materials, they WILL be on you exam.

Also, be sure to emphasize the exams from 2002 and 2003 especially. Don't really spend too much time on the pre-2001 exams since several of the rules have changed and it might lead to some confusion. Not all of the questions per se, but I did the exams from 2002 and 2003 several times just to cement the fundamentals. Just remember, this exam is only easy if you study for it. If you do that, it's a cake walk.

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby Llewellyn » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:58 am

MC Southstar wrote:
Llewellyn wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:JessTig, DF, RoseT E-Study group?

more like RoseT will be e-teaching you two everything

Flame. DF is smartest.

Rose could pass the test if she took it right now. DF's intelligence is immaterial.

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby BriaTharen » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:22 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
MC Southstar wrote:
Llewellyn wrote:[quote="Desert FoxJessTig, DF, RoseT E-Study group?

more like RoseT will be e-teaching you two everything


Flame. DF is smartest.


But I know the least.[/quote]

I'm in DF

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby Llewellyn » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:28 pm

JessicaTiger wrote:I'm in DF

That's hot, hows the strap-on anal going? Does DF squeal like a little bitch?

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby BriaTharen » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:58 pm

Llewellyn wrote:
JessicaTiger wrote:I'm in DF

That's hot, hows the strap-on anal going? Does DF squeal like a little bitch?


DF and I's relationship is far more complex than inferences made from grammatical errors

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby blueberrymuffin » Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:17 pm

Hello all-

I just (provisionally) passed the patent bar exam today, and I thought I'd give some thoughts.

Study technique:
I purchased the PLI home study course at the student price. I heard from friends and online reviews that it was good material, so I went all out. I really didn't want to take this exam more than once! I can't personally compare PLI to other review material, but it worked for me. It came with a big binder of abridged/explained material sorted by MPEP chapter and referencing all the applicable Rules and USC. It also came with a claims drafting workbook and a bunch of exercise material for practicing questions. There were 8 DVDs containing lectures covering the binder material, and the same material was on a bunch of audio CDs (which I never used). There was also software that you can use to do exercises and practice exams so you can get used to the electronic MPEP and using software similar to the Prometric exam. I used that a lot.
I spent over 150 hours studying over the course of 2 months. Not sure exactly how much time it worked out to.
Aside from the PLI questions, I only studied the 2003 exams and the October 2002 exam. I didn't go farther back than that because I was afraid of confusing myself with outdated material. After taking each exam, I reviewed the answers for every question (this includes the ones I got correct, particularly if I wasn't 100% sure when answering them). I then retook the exams at least one more time.

Exam experience:
My exam was scheduled for 9am at the Warwick, RI Prometric test center. I was supposed to be there by 8:30am to sign in and be processed. I was at the office when they opened at 8:20, and I was seated right at 9. There was only one finger print machine, so anybody whose test sponsor required finger printing had to wait in a slower line. I also got skipped over by people who arrived half an hour later because they had longer exams and the center wanted to process them first (I suppose they wanted to leave at the end of the day). In all, it took 40 minutes of waiting before I started the test tutorial.
During the 15 minute tutorial, which explained things such as how to use a mouse, I set up my scratch paper numbering 1-50 for each section and making a grid with the columns labeled Question #, A, B, C, D, E, confidence, and notes. For each question, I would be able to do process of elimination if needed by slashing through the appropriate box. The grid saved some time from having to rewrite ABCDE over and over. I would indicate on a scale of 1-5 my confidence in my answer and write the relevant Chapter number and subject in the Notes. That way I could decide how to spend my time at the end of the exam when I went back to cover my answers. I circled any question that I recognized as a repeat from the practice exams, and I counted 30 repeats over the course of the entire test. So I would definitely recommend reviewing old tests.
Re the MPEP, it will open up to the same spot you left off at as long as 1) you don't change questions, and 2) you don't change chapters. Also, you can move the MPEP window around the screen in order to view the question again without having to close the MPEP. There is a side bar on the left that displays the ToC for the chapter you're viewing. Don't be a dummy like me and accidentally close it when trying to open a different chapter, because there's no way to reopen it manually. It eventually came back after a couple questions (I don't know what triggered it to come back), but it was pretty annoying in the meantime. You can search the MPEP by clicking the "Find" button and typing in your phrase. You then have to keep clicking "find next" to move through the MPEP.
I didn't think that any particular chapter was over or under represented on my exam. The results don't tell you your score unless you fail, so I can't tell if I totally rocked or just barely passed. But it feels good to get that out of the way. :) Let me know if you have any other questions about it.
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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby nallku » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:07 pm

Ah, it feels good to be able to post that I passed today! I also used PLI, but only had the CD's which I usually listened to while driving or when I was doing something else. I recommend using the free CAT software online. I bought the codes for grading for about $30, but when I tried the first one, I just realized that the info was copy and pasted from the answers (there was no really updated part). Also, there was a question right out of a section which PLI says isn't ever tested. It could have been a beta question, but it likely means that in the future, the prep-courses will need to be updated (I guess I was prepared because I knew where to look).

I recommend using PLI's method, which really is overkill. I guess with having to spend another $420 to retake the exam it is worth the extra effort (it also helps the ego).

Good luck to everyone prepairing for the exam, it isn't that bad.

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby blueberrymuffin » Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:10 am

Oh and FYI- I took the exam on Tuesday 7/27 and received my official test results and paperwork yesterday 7/31. I live in MA.

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby androstan » Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:59 am

I passed the patent bar yesterday.

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby gogators » Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:49 pm

androstan wrote:I passed the patent bar yesterday.


Did you study using old materials or did you buy the new study stuff?

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby androstan » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:03 am

gogators wrote:
androstan wrote:I passed the patent bar yesterday.


Did you study using old materials or did you buy the new study stuff?


old, you can get it for $500 on ebay

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby BarCliff » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:04 am

Congrats. I passed it last year myself. It's a nice feeling to get it out of the way.

Is the pass rate still around 60%?

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby skw » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:40 am

androstan wrote:
gogators wrote:
androstan wrote:I passed the patent bar yesterday.


Did you study using old materials or did you buy the new study stuff?


old, you can get it for $500 on ebay


Was it PLI you used or something else?

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Re: Passed the patent bar today

Postby androstan » Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:51 pm

skw wrote:
androstan wrote:
gogators wrote:
androstan wrote:I passed the patent bar yesterday.


Did you study using old materials or did you buy the new study stuff?


old, you can get it for $500 on ebay


Was it PLI you used or something else?


PLI. Anyone want to buy it?

I think the pass rate for 2011 will be significantly lower than in years past because of the changes. It's not just the new material (KSR, Bilski, etc.) but they are also including more K-type questions and other "advanced" multiple choice questions.




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