LSAT or Bar?

(Please Ask Questions and Answer Questions)

Which is more important, the bar or LSAT?

Bar
27
50%
LSAT
27
50%
 
Total votes: 54

topcheese88
Posts: 15
Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:28 am

LSAT or Bar?

Postby topcheese88 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:41 am

Which do you feel is harder/more important overall?

Kochel
Posts: 182
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:36 pm

Re: LSAT or Bar?

Postby Kochel » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:48 am

Strange question. Trust me, though, the bar exam is far harder.

User avatar
pugalicious
Posts: 190
Joined: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:52 pm

Re: LSAT or Bar?

Postby pugalicious » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:56 am

Well, you do poorly on the LSAT, get into a bad law school, TLSers say you're stupid, you potentially waste thousands of dollars.

Fail the bar. Take it again. Repeat 3 times, give up, and they make you mayor of Los Angeles.

Flanker1067
Posts: 658
Joined: Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:47 pm

Re: LSAT or Bar?

Postby Flanker1067 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:01 pm

This makes no sense. Unless you scored a 180, then the LSAT is harder. The bar however is far more important, because if you don't pass you (almost, there is always business) wasted all your time and money.

User avatar
futurelawyer413
Posts: 116
Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:15 pm

Re: LSAT or Bar?

Postby futurelawyer413 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:05 pm

from good ole' Wiki! - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admission_ ... ted_States

Admission without law school

In California, Vermont, Virginia, and Washington, an applicant who has not attended law school may take the bar exam after study under a judge or practicing attorney for an extended period of time.[5] This method is known as "reading law" or "reading the law".

New York requires that applicants who are reading the law must have at least one year of law school study (Rule 520.4 for the Admission of Attorneys).

Maine allows students with two years of law school to serve an apprenticeship in lieu of completing their third year.

User avatar
PrincetonLaw
Posts: 145
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:15 pm

Re: LSAT or Bar?

Postby PrincetonLaw » Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:19 pm

LSAT is more important. the level at you perform matters and affects the trajectory of your career

Bar is harder. you simply need to pass anything more is a waste.

User avatar
nealric
Posts: 2391
Joined: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:53 am

Re: LSAT or Bar?

Postby nealric » Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:44 pm

It's totally apples to oranges.

The bar may be "harder" the sense that it requires more preparation, but the vast majority of law students who take it seriously pass.

If you consider "passing" the LSAT to be a score that will get you into an ABA school (call it 150), then the LSAT has a 50% fail rate. With the exception of California, most bar exams have a 10-15% failure rate.

Flanker1067
Posts: 658
Joined: Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:47 pm

Re: LSAT or Bar?

Postby Flanker1067 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:49 pm

PrincetonLaw wrote:LSAT is more important. the level at you perform matters and affects the trajectory of your career

Bar is harder. you simply need to pass anything more is a waste.


You are not smart. If you don't pass the Bar you cannot practice, thus affecting your career significantly (even more so then say going to a T2 instead of a T1). Also, the Bar being pass fail is exactly what makes it easier. The vast majority of people pass the bar, whereas there is no standard on the LSAT except 180, which is pretty f'ing hard.

Kochel
Posts: 182
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:36 pm

Re: LSAT or Bar?

Postby Kochel » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:29 pm

There seems to be an awful lot of certainty here about just how hard the bar exam is. Maybe 0Ls are now taking practice MBEs in addition to reading supplements before starting law school.

User avatar
bk1
Posts: 18418
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:06 pm

Re: LSAT or Bar?

Postby bk1 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:03 pm

The problem with this question is that harder is not qualified. If by more important on an absolute scale (0-1 as opposed to 0-100), then that is the bar, without a doubt. If you absolutely bomb the LSAT you can still get into a law school (I think, assuming softs/UGPA). If you fail the bar, you cannot be a lawyer. The caveat is that if you do not have a JD-requiring job lined up, then passage of the bar is moot. So if you have a JD-job lined up, then the bar is more important. If you do not, then neither has any importance.

If it is harder by some other measure then the answer is it depends.

User avatar
kaydish21
Posts: 300
Joined: Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:51 pm

Re: LSAT or Bar?

Postby kaydish21 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:08 pm

Maybe a more apt question would have been which test was a worse process from studying to receiving notification of results.

On another note, there are people here on TLS who do LSAT's for fun and look forward to the new releases of tests so they can take them. I have never heard of someone retaking the bar for fun.

itsfine
Posts: 229
Joined: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:07 am

Re: LSAT or Bar?

Postby itsfine » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:16 pm

the lsat is def more important since it has such a tremendous influence on where you will attend law school, which in turn has a tremendous influence on where you practice, what job you get, and the education you receive.

The bar is important but as long as you pass youre good.

granted, their both extremely important since by doing poor on either one of them you set yourself up for either attending a bad school and no practicing law period. But assuming you pass the bar, the lsat is more important. Would you rather score in 99 percentile on the bar and the 90th on the lsat, or the other way around?


once again, without doing well bar (not passing) your lsat loses a lot of meaning, and without doing well on the lsat (assuming it keeps you from going to a good school) your bar loses a lot of meaning as well (since passing the bar with a shitty law degree may not be very valuable.)

User avatar
acrossthelake
Posts: 4432
Joined: Sat May 16, 2009 5:27 pm

Re: LSAT or Bar?

Postby acrossthelake » Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:06 pm

Well you kinda have to pass the bar to practice so if you can't do that your LSAT was unimportant...but the bar is pass/fail.
Eh I'd say the bar is harder, but the LSAT more important.




Return to “Law School FAQ”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: comicbookdude, liam13661 and 2 guests