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Free tuition for low income families?

Postby OmbreGracieuse » Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:58 pm

I was just wondering if you knew of any law schools that offer free (or reduced) tuition for low income families?

Thanks! :)

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby Renzo » Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:59 pm

Sure. Harvard, Stanford, and NYU, to name a few.

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby merichard87 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:09 pm

Schools actually do that? What the deuce?

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby OmbreGracieuse » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:11 pm

Renzo wrote:Sure. Harvard, Stanford, and NYU, to name a few.


!

I have heard that but I didn't know if it was actually true, or if they were still doing it. Thanks! :)

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby smov_operator » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:17 pm

OmbreGracieuse wrote:
Renzo wrote:Sure. Harvard, Stanford, and NYU, to name a few.


!

I have heard that but I didn't know if it was actually true, or if they were still doing it. Thanks! :)


Stanford, Yale and Harvard give out their aid based on financial need. So, low-income families definitely received reduced tuition and in some cases, near-free tuition. Other top schools...not so much...

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby r6_philly » Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:39 pm

So I need to get into HYS... Check!

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby Renzo » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:31 pm

smov_operator wrote:
OmbreGracieuse wrote:
Renzo wrote:Sure. Harvard, Stanford, and NYU, to name a few.


!

I have heard that but I didn't know if it was actually true, or if they were still doing it. Thanks! :)


Stanford, Yale and Harvard give out their aid based on financial need. So, low-income families definitely received reduced tuition and in some cases, near-free tuition. Other top schools...not so much...

It's a matter of who each school is looking to attract. The super-elite schools don't need to compete for students, rather they need to attract poor people and minorities to keep the illusion of the American dream up and running. The less elite schools need to attract high-acheivers, so they're who gets the money.

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby vanwinkle » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:33 pm

Renzo wrote:It's a matter of who each school is looking to attract. The super-elite schools don't need to compete for students, rather they need to attract poor people and minorities to keep the illusion of the American dream up and running. The less elite schools need to attract high-acheivers, so they're who gets the money.

TITCR.

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Postby OmbreGracieuse » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:40 pm

Renzo wrote:
smov_operator wrote:
Stanford, Yale and Harvard give out their aid based on financial need. So, low-income families definitely received reduced tuition and in some cases, near-free tuition. Other top schools...not so much...

It's a matter of who each school is looking to attract. The super-elite schools don't need to compete for students, rather they need to attract poor people and minorities to keep the illusion of the American dream up and running. The less elite schools need to attract high-acheivers, so they're who gets the money.


So do you think then, a student who is low-income (if given they have almost everything else going for them) stands a good chance at getting financial aid through a T14 school as compared to a T30 school?

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby Renzo » Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:42 pm

OmbreGracieuse wrote:
Renzo wrote:
smov_operator wrote:
Stanford, Yale and Harvard give out their aid based on financial need. So, low-income families definitely received reduced tuition and in some cases, near-free tuition. Other top schools...not so much...

It's a matter of who each school is looking to attract. The super-elite schools don't need to compete for students, rather they need to attract poor people and minorities to keep the illusion of the American dream up and running. The less elite schools need to attract high-acheivers, so they're who gets the money.


So do you think then, a student who is low-income (if given they have almost everything else going for them) stands a good chance at getting financial aid through a T14 school as compared to a T30 school?

No, it's school-by-school.

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby Borhas » Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:47 am

Renzo wrote:It's a matter of who each school is looking to attract. The super-elite schools don't need to compete for students, rather they need to attract poor people and minorities to keep the illusion of the American dream up and running. The less elite schools need to attract high-acheivers, so they're who gets the money.


This is true, the "elite" love their tokens

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby OmbreGracieuse » Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:51 pm

Borhas wrote:This is true, the "elite" love their tokens


I would be the token "poor" kid at an elite school if they paid for it. :D

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby s419 » Fri Apr 09, 2010 12:56 pm

You should look at the individual school's policies even for need-based aid at HYS. I'm only familiar with HLS, but I think the max grants you can get from them is around $30,000/year, since they give everyone a base package of like $36,000 in loans.

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Postby r6_philly » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:11 pm

s419 wrote:You should look at the individual school's policies even for need-based aid at HYS. I'm only familiar with HLS, but I think the max grants you can get from them is around $30,000/year, since they give everyone a base package of like $36,000 in loans.


$30000 is better than most merit aid given out at most schools. And it is HLS... That about cut your LS cost by half. Poor persons can live frugal lives so COL should be low.

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby s419 » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:24 pm

r6_philly wrote:
s419 wrote:You should look at the individual school's policies even for need-based aid at HYS. I'm only familiar with HLS, but I think the max grants you can get from them is around $30,000/year, since they give everyone a base package of like $36,000 in loans.


$30000 is better than most merit aid given out at most schools. And it is HLS... That about cut your LS cost by half. Poor persons can live frugal lives so COL should be low.


I wasn't implying this was a bad thing, but just cautioning not to count on a total free-ride from need-based aid.

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby smov_operator » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:25 pm

OmbreGracieuse wrote:
Borhas wrote:This is true, the "elite" love their tokens


I would be the token "poor" kid at an elite school if they paid for it. :D


haha +1

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby r6_philly » Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:39 pm

s419 wrote:I wasn't implying this was a bad thing, but just cautioning not to count on a total free-ride from need-based aid.


Got it. I don't know how many poor people expect free rides. We usually miss out on the good stuff, hence we are poor. ;)

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby OmbreGracieuse » Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:45 pm

r6_philly wrote:
s419 wrote:I wasn't implying this was a bad thing, but just cautioning not to count on a total free-ride from need-based aid.


Got it. I don't know how many poor people expect free rides. We usually miss out on the good stuff, hence we are poor. ;)


I am not expecting a free ride by any means, just excited there are schools that offer reduced tuition. I am excessively poor so this is like Christmas for me. :D

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby r6_philly » Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:15 pm

OmbreGracieuse wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
s419 wrote:I wasn't implying this was a bad thing, but just cautioning not to count on a total free-ride from need-based aid.


Got it. I don't know how many poor people expect free rides. We usually miss out on the good stuff, hence we are poor. ;)


I am not expecting a free ride by any means, just excited there are schools that offer reduced tuition. I am excessively poor so this is like Christmas for me. :D


I'm having trouble picturing what is "excessively poor", partially because when you are indeed excessively poor, there IS NO Christmas. ;)

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby OmbreGracieuse » Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:29 pm

r6_philly wrote:
I'm having trouble picturing what is "excessively poor", partially because when you are indeed excessively poor, there IS NO Christmas. ;)


I am excessively poor as in... a family of three making less than 12,000 last year. Most of my daughter's presents came from thrift stores, and there was NO christmas for me. She is 1, so I am hoping by the time she starts having memories there will be more money (preferrably from my doing law!)

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby r6_philly » Fri Apr 09, 2010 4:55 pm

OmbreGracieuse wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
I'm having trouble picturing what is "excessively poor", partially because when you are indeed excessively poor, there IS NO Christmas. ;)


I am excessively poor as in... a family of three making less than 12,000 last year. Most of my daughter's presents came from thrift stores, and there was NO christmas for me. She is 1, so I am hoping by the time she starts having memories there will be more money (preferrably from my doing law!)


We are about the same at this point then. Good luck and get that money!

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby OmbreGracieuse » Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:42 pm

r6_philly wrote:
We are about the same at this point then. Good luck and get that money!


I am so sorry you and I are at the same point! I wouldn't wish that on anybody. :\

On a side note- may I ask what kind of law you plan to go into?

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby r6_philly » Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:27 pm

OmbreGracieuse wrote:
r6_philly wrote:
We are about the same at this point then. Good luck and get that money!


I am so sorry you and I are at the same point! I wouldn't wish that on anybody. :\

On a side note- may I ask what kind of law you plan to go into?


I am interested in IP/cyberlaw (deals with my expertise) and/or con law (really interested). Don't feel bad, I am a lot less poor than I used to be :shock: . I am capable of making a decent salary now, but we have both been laid off for over a year and a half. We are both back in school and I am working part time, so things are tight with 2 kids (student loans + my part time job). Thing will look up though, future is bright!

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby s419 » Fri Apr 09, 2010 10:51 pm

r6_philly wrote:
s419 wrote:I wasn't implying this was a bad thing, but just cautioning not to count on a total free-ride from need-based aid.


Got it. I don't know how many poor people expect free rides. We usually miss out on the good stuff, hence we are poor. ;)


Sorry if that came off as overly nonchalant -- I'm from an actually middle middle class family (I didn't realize how people misuse the phrase middle class until I went to college!) and my family only had to pay like $6000/year for me to go to private college and even then, I had friends who actually had so much of college paid for them through need-based that they actually had meals covered by the school. So seeing a $36,000 minimum loan package at Harvard was a bit of a shock although I am still grateful for my very generous financial aid package.

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Re: Free tuition for low income families?

Postby OmbreGracieuse » Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:18 am

s419 wrote:
Sorry if that came off as overly nonchalant -- I'm from an actually middle middle class family (I didn't realize how people misuse the phrase middle class until I went to college!) and my family only had to pay like $6000/year for me to go to private college and even then, I had friends who actually had so much of college paid for them through need-based that they actually had meals covered by the school. So seeing a $36,000 minimum loan package at Harvard was a bit of a shock although I am still grateful for my very generous financial aid package.


I've always wondered where the parameters for the term "middle class" lie, truth be told.

I shudder from the LS loan packages. I feel like I am going to die one day still owing half my soul to the educational system. :P




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