What are T14 graduates doing 10 years after graduation?

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cflames7
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What are T14 graduates doing 10 years after graduation?

Postby cflames7 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:37 am

What percent is still working grueling BigLaw?
What percent has made partner?
What percent is PI?
Government?
Academia?
Mid/Small law?
Business?
Own firm?
Not working law at all?

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Anyone have any ideas?
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Also, how this this shift when comparing the graduates T3/T6 schools to graduates of the bottom of the T14?

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Re: What are T14 graduates doing 10 years after graduation?

Postby rando » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:49 am

T6 have much higher percentage in academia & politics than T14 but still not a large percentage.

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Re: What are T14 graduates doing 10 years after graduation?

Postby cflames7 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:56 am

rando wrote:T6 have much higher percentage in academia & politics than T14 but still not a large percentage.


And what are the guys who aren't in academia and politics doing?

80-90 hours a week running through documents?

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Re: What are T14 graduates doing 10 years after graduation?

Postby rando » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:02 am

cflames7 wrote:
rando wrote:T6 have much higher percentage in academia & politics than T14 but still not a large percentage.


And what are the guys who aren't in academia and politics doing?


Certainly not running through documents 10 years out. If you haven't made partner then you are likely out of the biglaw route. Unless take "of counsel" position. Go govt., in-house, or open your own shop.

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Re: What are T14 graduates doing 10 years after graduation?

Postby rando » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:04 am

cflames7 wrote:
rando wrote:
80-90 hours a week running through documents?


Just wondering why biglaw hours numbers are thrown around so ridiculously? 80, 90, 100 like that is the norm. Does anyone even know what it's like to work an 80 hr week? Who has deluded you into thinking that law firms have their associates there 13 hrs a day, 7 days a week? It is no cakewalk, but is this really just some one-upping contest that gets blown out of proportion?

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Re: What are T14 graduates doing 10 years after graduation?

Postby badfish » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:14 am

rando wrote:
cflames7 wrote:
rando wrote:
80-90 hours a week running through documents?


Just wondering why biglaw hours numbers are thrown around so ridiculously? 80, 90, 100 like that is the norm. Does anyone even know what it's like to work an 80 hr week? Who has deluded you into thinking that law firms have their associates there 13 hrs a day, 7 days a week? It is no cakewalk, but is this really just some one-upping contest that gets blown out of proportion?


This might be of some help.

http://www.envoyglobal.net/jdbliss/test/calculator2.htm

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Re: What are T14 graduates doing 10 years after graduation?

Postby rando » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:26 am

badfish wrote:
rando wrote:
cflames7 wrote:
rando wrote:
80-90 hours a week running through documents?


Just wondering why biglaw hours numbers are thrown around so ridiculously? 80, 90, 100 like that is the norm. Does anyone even know what it's like to work an 80 hr week? Who has deluded you into thinking that law firms have their associates there 13 hrs a day, 7 days a week? It is no cakewalk, but is this really just some one-upping contest that gets blown out of proportion?


This might be of some help.

http://www.envoyglobal.net/jdbliss/test/calculator2.htm


Solid calculator there. Interesting in that, you can work a 5 day week, 12 hrs/day, including hr lunch, administrative/professional/personal time, and bill 2300 hrs/yr with 11 holidays.
just sayin...

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Re: What are T14 graduates doing 10 years after graduation?

Postby umichgrad » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:55 am

IIRC, Cravath's first year associate billable requirement this year was 2100 hours. DOn't forget, billable hours are maybe 3/4 of all the hours you work, but certainly not all. That works out to roughly an 8 hour workday working 50 weeks of the year, if ALL you are doing is billable work.

Just sayin.

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Re: What are T14 graduates doing 10 years after graduation?

Postby raperez129 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:34 pm

Yes, it is 80-90 hours a week. Bottom line: if the work is there, you do it, around the clock, because you never know when it won't be there, and you don't want to get behind the quota. And MUCH of the time spent working can not be billed. There is CLE, training, collections, client development, BATHROOM time, all kinds of other things that work into a work day. Some firms don't give you credit for hours until the bill is collected, so there is a bunch more time spent getting the $$$ to roll in.

I *have* to work 50-60 hours a week to get my quota of 1680 a year as a paralegal. I take most (but not all) holidays, and rarely take vacation/sick day. 2100 hours is going to take much more.




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