Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby khanvalescent » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:48 pm

I'm assuming/hoping that LSAC calculation includes transfer grades gained through the (domestic) National Student Exchange program? My home school did not include the grades in my overall GPA, instead counting all classes as transfer credits.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby Cactus » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:05 pm

What does LSDAS count for courses taken pass/fail? As I have a 1 hour core curriculum kinesiology course (golf class) that I took as pass/fail.

(For reference, I passed)

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Postby 09042014 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:06 pm

Cactus wrote:What does LSDAS count for courses taken pass/fail? As I have a 1 hour core curriculum kinesiology course (golf class) that I took as pass/fail.

(For reference, I passed)


Pass: doesn't count

Fail : F

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby Cactus » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:11 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Cactus wrote:What does LSDAS count for courses taken pass/fail? As I have a 1 hour core curriculum kinesiology course (golf class) that I took as pass/fail.

(For reference, I passed)


Pass: doesn't count

Fail : F


Thank you. That was my assumption, but I wanted to verify.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby CrimsonCal » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:15 pm

ya, i think the system has its failing points

1) A+'s are ridiculous since most colleges don't award them

2) Someone can pad their transcript easily by A'cing classes
at a crappy community college during the summer time or
from transferring

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby Bildungsroman » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:00 am

UGPA: 3.9ish
LSDAS GPA: 4.0ish
Thank goodness for the A+.

One big reason some of my peers have such deviation between UGPA and LSDAS GPA is that our university has an academic forgiveness program where you can retake a class for a higher grade and not have the original count toward your GPA any more. They do not advertise the fact that this is fucking worthless for law school applications. I've seen a few of my friends get a nasty shock from that one.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby mikehoe » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:20 pm

kswiss wrote:Undergrad: 3.51
LSDAS GPA: 2.49

Coupled with a 170 LSAT, my life kinda sucks right now. I hope I get into at least 1 t-25.


I just got my LSDAS GPA and it's a 2.49 :(
My UG GPA was a 2.8
This sucks!
I will be taking the October LSAT and reaching for a 170.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby psychlaw » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:13 pm

yea my UGPA is a 3.3
LGPA is a 2.99
goooo 170!!!!

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby NerdmoD » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:26 pm

My transcript had tons of +'s and -'s, so I was worried that my LSDAS GPA would be very different...

UG: 3.80
LSDAS: 3.79

:roll:

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby AdamatUCF » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:12 pm

Wow, I thought my 3.42 (Ugrad) -> 3.29 (LSDAS) was bad until I saw some of the stuff in here.


The sad thing is, with my LSAT and a 3.42, I'd be a lot better off at some of the schools to which I applied. :(

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby mleibman » Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:26 pm

CrimsonCal wrote:....
2) Someone can pad their transcript easily by A'cing classes
at a crappy community college during the summer time or
from transferring


Not all Community Colleges are crappy, like Nassau County's (number 1 in the nation). They also offer honors program classes which are equal to state and private universities (in NY) in difficulty and academic quality. That is a harsh conclusion on your part. Though, I would agree that in many scenarios, that is the case.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby im_blue » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:02 pm

mleibman wrote:
CrimsonCal wrote:....
2) Someone can pad their transcript easily by A'cing classes
at a crappy community college during the summer time or
from transferring


Not all Community Colleges are crappy, like Nassau County's (number 1 in the nation). They also offer honors program classes which are equal to state and private universities (in NY) in difficulty and academic quality. That is a harsh conclusion on your part. Though, I would agree that in many scenarios, that is the case.

That's not what he said. RC fail.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby MentalGopher » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:09 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Rock Chalk wrote:
sluguy14 wrote:(Still wishing my UG gave out A+'s...)

Mine doesn't either, and I've been wondering about the mathematical soundness of a grading system that doesn't reward 97+, but punishes 93-. I'm not a math person, but it just seems counterintuitive, not to mention it puts your students at a competitive disadvantage. I thought the idea was to try to put your alums in the best possible position to be successful. Guess I'm just naive...


Any class you can get 97% correct isn't a real college course.

HTH


I have a whopping 7 A+ grades on my transcript. I actually had to get over a 100 percent in four of them to make that possible. The other three were all foreign language classes that graded several sections on a curve and allotted A+ grades to the top one percent. Then again, you really had to put effort in getting a grade below a C in those classes....

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby 09042014 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:11 pm

MentalGopher wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
Rock Chalk wrote:
sluguy14 wrote:(Still wishing my UG gave out A+'s...)

Mine doesn't either, and I've been wondering about the mathematical soundness of a grading system that doesn't reward 97+, but punishes 93-. I'm not a math person, but it just seems counterintuitive, not to mention it puts your students at a competitive disadvantage. I thought the idea was to try to put your alums in the best possible position to be successful. Guess I'm just naive...


Any class you can get 97% correct isn't a real college course.

HTH


I have a whopping 7 A+ grades on my transcript. I actually had to get over a 100 percent in four of them to make that possible. The other three were all foreign language classes that graded several sections on a curve and allotted A+ grades to the top one percent. Then again, you really had to put effort in getting a grade below a C in those classes....


Over a 100 percent doesn't count either. I'll accept the curved ones.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby redsox » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:23 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Any class you can get 97% correct isn't a real college course.

HTH


Obviously not true. I agree that most courses in which students regularly score that high are probably bullshit, but there are exceptions. Advanced students in a field should be able to get 97+ in intro courses in that field, and people fluent in a language should be able to get 97+ in a course teaching that language.

Even in courses appropriate for the student taking them (the above are not), it may be possible to get a 97+ through memorization, and some people have really good memories.

Also, the whole point of the numerical grade is to create a distribution so that letter grades can be assigned. As long as only one or two students are in the 97+ range, what's the point in making the tests any more difficult/awarding of points any more harsh?
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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby redsox » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:24 pm

MentalGopher wrote:I have a whopping 7 A+ grades on my transcript. I actually had to get over a 100 percent in four of them to make that possible. The other three were all foreign language classes that graded several sections on a curve and allotted A+ grades to the top one percent. Then again, you really had to put effort in getting a grade below a C in those classes....


You can't get over 100 percent.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby im_blue » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:41 pm

redsox wrote:
MentalGopher wrote:I have a whopping 7 A+ grades on my transcript. I actually had to get over a 100 percent in four of them to make that possible. The other three were all foreign language classes that graded several sections on a curve and allotted A+ grades to the top one percent. Then again, you really had to put effort in getting a grade below a C in those classes....


You can't get over 100 percent.

IME, the vast majority of CC classes offer extra credit.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby redsox » Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:19 pm

im_blue wrote:
redsox wrote:
MentalGopher wrote:I have a whopping 7 A+ grades on my transcript. I actually had to get over a 100 percent in four of them to make that possible. The other three were all foreign language classes that graded several sections on a curve and allotted A+ grades to the top one percent. Then again, you really had to put effort in getting a grade below a C in those classes....


You can't get over 100 percent.

IME, the vast majority of CC classes offer extra credit.

And they're wrong.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby MentalGopher » Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:33 am

redsox wrote:
im_blue wrote:
redsox wrote:
MentalGopher wrote:I have a whopping 7 A+ grades on my transcript. I actually had to get over a 100 percent in four of them to make that possible. The other three were all foreign language classes that graded several sections on a curve and allotted A+ grades to the top one percent. Then again, you really had to put effort in getting a grade below a C in those classes....


You can't get over 100 percent.

IME, the vast majority of CC classes offer extra credit.

And they're wrong.


I was at a state university, just to give you an idea.

The ones where you had to get over a 100 percent for an A+ were classes that either offered extra credit to offset a high failure rate (three of them- Human Physiology, Organic Chemistry, and Religions of the World) or, in the case of Astronomy, they rewarded students who did extra lab work and got over a 96 percent on every exam.

I could see how the Astronomy one would be a little much. But the other three were just different ways of creating a curve.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby redsox » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:17 am

MentalGopher wrote:I was at a state university, just to give you an idea.

The ones where you had to get over a 100 percent for an A+ were classes that either offered extra credit to offset a high failure rate (three of them- Human Physiology, Organic Chemistry, and Religions of the World) or, in the case of Astronomy, they rewarded students who did extra lab work and got over a 96 percent on every exam.

I could see how the Astronomy one would be a little much. But the other three were just different ways of creating a curve.


A percent grade in a class should reflect the ratio of points earned to points possible. If "extra credit" is available, it should be considered part of the points possible.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby billyez » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:53 am

UGPA - 3.6
LSDAS - 3.0

*grumble* Should have just focused in community college instead of on work. But what's done is done.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby ashockofpink » Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:51 pm

3.6 UGPA
3.65 LSDAS Gpa

+.05 :D can't complain

Annnnnd.... For anyone else still trying to see how the LSDAS GPA thing works and wants to have an easy download to just plug in their numbers and have it pop out an answer (which you can then save and add on to as you get back more grades) I made a spreadsheet where you just enter the number of credits for any particular grade and it shows your LSDAS GPA automatically. Hopefully it'll help someone else because I'm sure I'm not the only one obsessing over GPA's and all that.

http://uploading.com/files/8dbb7142/LSD ... heet.xlsx/ is the link. It should be pretty straightforward

And as for "W"s, here's what I read "LSAC only counts "withdrawal" grades if your school considers them "punitive." Otherwise, these should not be included in your calculations." - http://www.ehow.com/how_4823316_calcula ... z0uwgcwQRr HOWEVER if your school allows you to re-take classes, the school still counts the fail along with the passing grade. Bahhh!


Enjoy :D

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby jms1987 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:29 pm

I'm kind of freaked out to think of the difference there will be with my degree GPA and the LSAC one :( At least I won't have to worry about it for the next 2 years still.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby Generic20101L » Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:15 pm

The only way it will be a drastic difference is if you screwed up royally your first go round in college and ended up doing well the second go round.

And, no, addendums explaining the F's 10 years ago don't really amount to much if anything.

LSAC GPA, LSAT is 95 percent of it, unless you're a congressman.

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Re: Biggest LSDAS GPA and Undergrad GPA Difference?

Postby Aggiegrad2011 » Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:01 am

UG: 3.991 (summa)
LSDAS: 3.980




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