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UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby charlesjd » Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:50 pm

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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby letsdoit1982 » Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:57 pm



How is Howard (right below IU) ranked so high?

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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby charlesjd » Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:57 pm

Thanks appreciate it...

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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby charlesjd » Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:58 pm

letsdoit1982 wrote:


How is Howard (right below IU) ranked so high?


and villinova... what?!??!?!?! lol

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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby letsdoit1982 » Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:00 pm

charlesjd wrote:
letsdoit1982 wrote:


How is Howard (right below IU) ranked so high?


and villinova... what?!??!?!?! lol


This chart is kind of funny. For instance, Rutgers-Camden and Seton Hall put more grads in clerkships than all of the Top 14 except for Yale.

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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby charlesjd » Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:03 pm

Yeah.... that is weird. apparently upenn is the place to be.

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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby patrickd139 » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:40 pm

letsdoit1982 wrote:


How is Howard (right below IU) ranked so high?


Howard = HBCU. And located in D.C. And a respectable school.

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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby danquayle » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:47 pm

letsdoit1982 wrote:


How is Howard (right below IU) ranked so high?


Yeah Howard is pretty obvious. Not only do they admit 1) some of the very brightest black students, but also 2) provide an ideal place for any law firm seeking recruit the very best black students. Howard is, to a much lesser extent, like BYU and Notre Dame in that they stand a chance of recruiting the very best students from a certain demographic.
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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby patrickd139 » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:48 pm

danquayle wrote:
letsdoit1982 wrote:


How is Howard (right below IU) ranked so high?


Yeah Howard is pretty obvious. Not only do they admit 1) some of the very brightest black students, but also 2) provide an ideal place for any law firm seeking recruit the very best black students. Howard is, to a much lesser extent, like BYU and Notre Dame in that they stand a chance of recruiting the very best students from a certain demographic.


I lol'd.

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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby monique522 » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:54 pm

letsdoit1982 wrote:
charlesjd wrote:
letsdoit1982 wrote:


How is Howard (right below IU) ranked so high?


and villinova... what?!??!?!?! lol


This chart is kind of funny. For instance, Rutgers-Camden and Seton Hall put more grads in clerkships than all of the Top 14 except for Yale.


the chart makes no distinction between clerking for a housing court judge and clerking for sotomayor, so it's not terribly useful in terms of real clerkship information

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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby danquayle » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:00 pm

patrickd139 wrote:
danquayle wrote:
letsdoit1982 wrote:


How is Howard (right below IU) ranked so high?


Yeah Howard is pretty obvious. Not only do they admit 1) some of the very brightest black students, but also 2) provide an ideal place for any law firm seeking recruit the very best black students. Howard is, to a much lesser extent, like BYU and Notre Dame in that they stand a chance of recruiting the very best students from a certain demographic.


I lol'd.


I guess funny, but also true. I know plenty of Mormons and Catholics that passed up empirically better options to attend BYU and ND, respectively.

Edit: To get back on topic. Illinois has always been a step ahead of IU in Chicago placement, and thats always bolstered its numbers. Outside of Chicago, I don't think there is really much of a difference. The interplay between these two schools will be interesting to watch in the future, as IU is on an upswing, and UIUC has to deal with that scandal. Both of been hit very hard by the recession and the cut back in hiring, so a lot is up in the air.

I still think Illinois is the clear option for Chicago placement, but I don't think its crazy to think IU will serve you better elsewhere.

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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby danquayle » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:09 pm



I don't know how much, if any, validity that chart has any more. It uses data from 2005, and so much has changed since then. It's good to look at for a school's historic achievement, but I don't think its representative of current placement at all.

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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby patrickd139 » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:11 pm

danquayle wrote:


I don't know how much, if any, validity that chart has any more. It uses data from 2005, and so much has changed since then. It's good to look at for a school's historic achievement, but I don't think its representative of current placement at all.


I agree that this chart has limited use these days, hence the 'Start here' suggestion. I've heard you can pretty much cut the big law % in half for a more realistic assessment, with the more prestigious law students landing the high paying jobs deeper in their class.

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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby letsdoit1982 » Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:23 pm

patrickd139 wrote:
danquayle wrote:


I don't know how much, if any, validity that chart has any more. It uses data from 2005, and so much has changed since then. It's good to look at for a school's historic achievement, but I don't think its representative of current placement at all.


I agree that this chart has limited use these days, hence the 'Start here' suggestion. I've heard you can pretty much cut the big law % in half for a more realistic assessment, with the more prestigious law students landing the high paying jobs deeper in their class.



The reason the chart is not very helpful is not because of how old it is, but because of how misleading it is - You can't say it's easier to get a biglaw job from a certain school simply becuase it places more people in biglaw. For example, I would bet that it's easier to get a biglaw job from Yale than just about every single school listed above it.

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Re: UIUC vs. IU-Bloomington

Postby Doritos » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:16 am

letsdoit1982 wrote:
patrickd139 wrote:
danquayle wrote:


I don't know how much, if any, validity that chart has any more. It uses data from 2005, and so much has changed since then. It's good to look at for a school's historic achievement, but I don't think its representative of current placement at all.


I agree that this chart has limited use these days, hence the 'Start here' suggestion. I've heard you can pretty much cut the big law % in half for a more realistic assessment, with the more prestigious law students landing the high paying jobs deeper in their class.



The reason the chart is not very helpful is not because of how old it is, but because of how misleading it is - You can't say it's easier to get a biglaw job from a certain school simply becuase it places more people in biglaw. For example, I would bet that it's easier to get a biglaw job from Yale than just about every single school listed above it.


I agree but that assessment stops at HYS I think. Those 3 schools place a ton into clerkships that is why their big law stats may not be as high but once you hit CCN and down biglaw is the brass ring for a much larger portion of the class and a lot more of the top students are hittin' up big firms for employment.




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