Was the LSAT correct? Forum

[gdane]

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[Helmholtz]

My question to everyone is, was the LSAT correct in "predicting" how well you did your first year? In other words, did the LSAT do what LSAC claims it does?

You must not know what LSAC says the LSAT does.

[rv11]

Hi everyone,

I have a friend that scored a 152 on the February 2009 LSAT. She is at the University of Miami and got near perfect grades her first semester. From what I know UM has a tough grading curve.

My question to everyone is, was the LSAT correct in "predicting" how well you did your first year? In other words, did the LSAT do what LSAC claims it does?

Did anyone that did poorly on the LSAT go on to do very well their first year and throughout law school? Did anyone with a good LSAT score do poorly?

Im sure my friend may have been an exception, but I cant help but wonder how often people do better than how the LSAT said they would.

THANKS!!

Someone has to be at the top of the class at a school filled with lower LSAT scores. It's not like she is near perfect at a school filled with 170+ scorers.

[jlnoa0915]

Actually I am interested in doing some data mining regarding this and am planning on preparing a report to see if there is any type of actually correlation. Hopefully I will have a actual report within 6 months. Going to depend on my time constraints (not in college anymore) and the participation those who are currently in law school.

[Helmholtz]

Actually I am interested in doing some data mining regarding this and am planning on preparing a report to see if there is any type of actually correlation. Hopefully I will have a actual report within 6 months. Going to depend on my time constraints (not in college anymore) and the participation those who are currently in law school.

Data mining? What? You do realize that LSAC has done intense study and given reports freely available on their website that goes to great lengths to show the correlation between law school success and everything from the LSAT score to GPA to race?

[jlnoa0915]

Actually I am interested in doing some data mining regarding this and am planning on preparing a report to see if there is any type of actually correlation. Hopefully I will have a actual report within 6 months. Going to depend on my time constraints (not in college anymore) and the participation those who are currently in law school.

Data mining? What? You do realize that LSAC has done intense study and given reports freely available on their website that goes to great lengths to show the correlation between law school success and everything from the LSAT score to GPA to race?

I do, but I want to see for my own personal curiosity.

[mallard]

You can read their reports for your own curiosity.

[Panther7]

Actually I am interested in doing some data mining regarding this and am planning on preparing a report to see if there is any type of actually correlation. Hopefully I will have a actual report within 6 months. Going to depend on my time constraints (not in college anymore) and the participation those who are currently in law school.

Data mining? What? You do realize that LSAC has done intense study and given reports freely available on their website that goes to great lengths to show the correlation between law school success and everything from the LSAT score to GPA to race?

I do, but I want to see for my own personal curiosity.

So go read their reports.

http://members.lsac.org/Public/MainPage ... Page2.aspx

[gdane]

Ok so far noone has actually answered the question.

I had one person give me a smart ass response and another one that brought up another topic.

I've read LSAC's claims about the LSAT on their website. I know what they say the LSAT is supposed to measure.

The University of Miami may not be a top 14 school, but it still has its share of bright students. Plus to have near perfect grades with as tough a curve as Miami is admirable, regardless of whether the school has lots of 170 students.

This was a simple question that noone seems to be answering...

[jlnoa0915]

You can read their reports for your own curiosity.

[Space_Cowboy]

Actually I am interested in doing some data mining regarding this and am planning on preparing a report to see if there is any type of actually correlation. Hopefully I will have a actual report within 6 months. Going to depend on my time constraints (not in college anymore) and the participation those who are currently in law school.

Data mining? What? You do realize that LSAC has done intense study and given reports freely available on their website that goes to great lengths to show the correlation between law school success and everything from the LSAT score to GPA to race?

I do, but I want to see for my own personal curiosity.

This should be fun.....

[Yimbeezy]

You can read their reports for your own curiosity.

You must be one of those people that thinks 9/11 was an inside job and cites a professor who can't use simple kinetics equations to disprove his own theory.

[gdane]

jlnoa0915 go for it. This would be very interesting. It doesnt hurt. I dont understand why people are getting so defensive. As if though they work for LSAC and dont want anyone to undermine their LSAT findings.

[Panther7]

Ok so far noone has actually answered the question.

I had one person give me a smart ass response and another one that brought up another topic.

I've read LSAC's claims about the LSAT on their website. I know what they say the LSAT is supposed to measure.

The University of Miami may not be a top 14 school, but it still has its share of bright students. Plus to have near perfect grades with as tough a curve as Miami is admirable, regardless of whether the school has lots of 170 students.

This was a simple question that noone seems to be answering...

It probably means she didn't study, or that her "smarts" are not logic smarts. There's not really much to it. The LSAT isn't some crapshoot, it really is just one of the hardest tests out there.

GPA does not measure the same thing as LSAT, which is why both are used in admissions. I don't really understand what you're trying to get at , or if you don't really understand the LSAT at all. Have you ever taken the LSAT?

[Yimbeezy]

jlnoa0915 go for it. This would be very interesting. It doesnt hurt. I dont understand why people are getting so defensive. As if though they work for LSAC and dont want anyone to undermine their LSAT findings.

Good luck compiling a more representative sample from people on a message board than from the ACTUAL POPULATION THAT TOOK THE LSAT.

[Space_Cowboy]

jlnoa0915 go for it. This would be very interesting. It doesnt hurt. I dont understand why people are getting so defensive. As if though they work for LSAC and dont want anyone to undermine their LSAT findings.

Try again.

[Helmholtz]

Haha

[mallard]

ITT: people claim data they haven't seen has been fudged in ways they can't describe to support claims that were never made.

[GATORTIM]

Hi everyone,

I have a friend that scored a 152 on the February 2009 LSAT. She is at the University of Miami and got near perfect grades her first semester. From what I know UM has a tough grading curve.

Did anyone that did poorly on the LSAT go on to do very well their first year and throughout law school?

In your post you have essentially answered your own question before you ask it.

[Sauer Grapes]

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[rayiner]

There is actually a fairly high correlation (0.5) between LSAT scores and NY bar exam performance: http://www.nybarexam.org/press/summary.pdf

The scenario in the study is somewhat range-compressed --- people below 150 on the LSAT tend not to get into law school so they can take the bar exam. If you included the whole 120-180 range, you'd probably see a somewhat stronger correlation.

[Helmholtz]

ITT: people claim data they haven't seen has been fudged in ways they can't describe to support claims that were never made.

Dude. LSAC's out to get us man, trying to pull the wool over our eyes with their .4 LSAT correlation numbers.

[Helmholtz]

There is actually a fairly high correlation (0.5) between LSAT scores and NY bar exam performance: http://www.nybarexam.org/press/summary.pdf

The scenario in the study is somewhat range-compressed --- people below 150 on the LSAT tend not to get into law school so they can take the bar exam. If you included the whole 120-180 range, you'd probably see a somewhat stronger correlation.

Again, using info put out by the bar. Just a pawn in their little game.

[gdane]

I took the LSAT twice. I did ok the first time. I retook in December and got a 158. I prepared and did everything I could. I used the powerscore books and took 32 official PT's. So the 158 wasnt due to laziness or a lack of effort.

This question was really a simple one and yet noone has answered it.

The point of this question was to see whether or not the LSAT is all its cracked up to be. Is it a perfect science ( i dont think it is at all) and if it isnt a perfect science then why do law schools and prospective students allow themselves to be taken hostage by the LSAT?

[mallard]

I took the LSAT twice. I did ok the first time. I retook in December and got a 158. I prepared and did everything I could. I used the powerscore books and took 32 official PT's. So the 158 wasnt due to laziness or a lack of effort.

This question was really a simple one and yet noone has answered it.

The point of this question was to see whether or not the LSAT is all its cracked up to be. Is it a perfect science ( i dont think it is at all) and if it isnt a perfect science then why do law schools and prospective students allow themselves to be taken hostage by the LSAT?

Because it's an imperfect science, which is better than pure bullshit.