GPA VS LSAT?

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Inygma
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GPA VS LSAT?

Postby Inygma » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:54 pm

What do people think the breakdown is between the two?

How much GPA does 1 LSAT point = ?

Or do you think it matters more the range, such as a 3.9is worth a lot more than a 3.5 because a 3.9 is a lot harder to maintain then comparing a 3.1 and a 3.5.

A 3.5 is 1/2 A's and 1/2 B's, where as a 3.75 is 2/3 A's 1/3 B's. Is the 3.75 worth substantially more than a 3.5?

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Re: GPA VS LSAT?

Postby voice of reason » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:41 pm

Schools vary in the relative weight they assign to GPA and LSAT. Many calculate an admissions index by multiplying GPA and LSATs by weighting constants and adding them together. You can read about it here:
http://www.uiowa.edu/~030116/prelaw/adminstart.htm

And you can play with numbers from LSAC here:
http://officialguide.lsac.org/UGPASearc ... SidString=

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Re: GPA VS LSAT?

Postby Inygma » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:03 pm

voice of reason wrote:Schools vary in the relative weight they assign to GPA and LSAT. Many calculate an admissions index by multiplying GPA and LSATs by weighting constants and adding them together. You can read about it here:
http://www.uiowa.edu/~030116/prelaw/adminstart.htm

And you can play with numbers from LSAC here:
http://officialguide.lsac.org/UGPASearc ... SidString=



Thank you, I am really depressed now, GPA is about 20% weight :evil:

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Re: GPA VS LSAT?

Postby englawyer » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:37 pm

the typical tradeoff is .1 GPA = 1 LSAT

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Re: GPA VS LSAT?

Postby MTaylor25 » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:18 am

I believe it does vary from school to school. The LSAT score is far superior though as far as admissions are concerned. A great LSAT score can offset a poor GPA while it is much harder to compensate for a low LSAT score, even w/ an excellent GPA.

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Re: GPA VS LSAT?

Postby traehekat » Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:35 am

There are many more stellar GPA's than stellar LSAT scores, so naturally law schools put slightly more weight on the LSAT.

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Re: GPA VS LSAT?

Postby Dany » Fri Jan 15, 2010 1:42 am

Inygma wrote: where as a 3.75 is 2/3 A's 1/3 B's.

Wouldn't a 3.75 be 3/4 A's and 1/4 B's?

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Re: GPA VS LSAT?

Postby traehekat » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:11 am

eskimo wrote:
Inygma wrote: where as a 3.75 is 2/3 A's 1/3 B's.

Wouldn't a 3.75 be 3/4 A's and 1/4 B's?


Depends if the A's or B's were in math.

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Re: GPA VS LSAT?

Postby Lmao Zedong » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:19 pm

englawyer wrote:the typical tradeoff is .1 GPA = 1 LSAT


whoa, i very much doubt it's this extreme. i'd think .05 GPA = 1 LSAT is more on target

just look at the way HLS admissions have gone this year. i would very much rather have a 3.9/175 (auto-admit) than a 3.7/177 (sketchy). and i'd again very much rather have a 3.7/177 than a 3.5/179 (outside looking in)

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Re: GPA VS LSAT?

Postby 09042014 » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:51 pm

You can't look at it that way, because that is not how adcoms make their classes. If you GPA is above the median for the school its worth a lot. If its below the median, LSAT points are worth infinity gpa points.

A 2.1/171 got into NW, but a 3.6/169 has absolutely no shot.

You absolutely need to be above at least one of the two median for a shot at most schools

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Re: GPA VS LSAT?

Postby stratocophic » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:57 pm

Desert Fox wrote:You can't look at it that way, because that is not how adcoms make their classes. If you GPA is above the median for the school its worth a lot. If its below the median, LSAT points are worth infinity gpa points.

A 2.1/171 got into NW, but a 3.6/169 has absolutely no shot.

You absolutely need to be above at least one of the two median for a shot at most schools


Very true. I talked to Vandy's admissions and asked their opinion on an LSAT retake to further mitigate my GPA. I was already at their 75% after my first LSAT, and was told it wouldn't make a huge difference. I did the retake anyway to try and expand my range into the T14, but it's all about the medians in the end.

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Re: GPA VS LSAT?

Postby englawyer » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:58 pm

GargamelITT wrote:
englawyer wrote:the typical tradeoff is .1 GPA = 1 LSAT


whoa, i very much doubt it's this extreme. i'd think .05 GPA = 1 LSAT is more on target

just look at the way HLS admissions have gone this year. i would very much rather have a 3.9/175 (auto-admit) than a 3.7/177 (sketchy). and i'd again very much rather have a 3.7/177 than a 3.5/179 (outside looking in)


agreed, but that could be a phenomenon tied to the big 3.

at a school like NYU the autoadmit curve looks like 173/3.75, 172/3.85, 171/3.95 at least from last year LSN

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Re: GPA VS LSAT?

Postby vanwinkle » Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:06 pm

Desert Fox wrote:You can't look at it that way, because that is not how adcoms make their classes. If you GPA is above the median for the school its worth a lot. If its below the median, LSAT points are worth infinity gpa points.

A 2.1/171 got into NW, but a 3.6/169 has absolutely no shot.

You absolutely need to be above at least one of the two median for a shot at most schools

This. What additional LSAT or GPA points are worth varies wildly depending on what you're starting from. Being below median in both is pretty much automatic rejection, even if you're only just a little bit below median in both.




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