heyguys wrote:I definitely suggest you do a substantial amount of research to know exactly what you're getting yourself into. I think that if you do adequate reading regarding this issue, you will find that schools like that are in no way, shape, or form worth the investment. Even for those who say 'I've always wanted to be a lawyer,' these schools are not worth the investment. I don't mean to condescend, but they are really scams....honestly, it bugs me just to think about it.
My advice to you would be to retake the LSAT and try to get into a state school in a region that you wouldn't mind working in. It is possible to transfer from a T4 to a T14, but I think it would have to go beyond grades and really get into excellent teacher evals from law professors and whatnot as well. And 0Ls tend not to be honest with themselves: no one enters law school thinking 'I'm going to be one of the ones at median,' when the fact of the matter is that by definition not everyone is going to be at the top of the class.
I had a friend who was planning on going to a T4 and transferring, and I basically talked him out of going to law school until he got into a cheap state school. Now, he's at a state school, not taking on a ton of debt, and is doing just fine.
I know in some ways this is tangential to the specific question you asked, but please just understand the risk you're taking. Again, I'm not trying to snark, but these schools like Cooley etc. are simply very poor investments.
ToTransferOrNot wrote:Most of the T14 do throw a handful of bones to the T3/T4 schools in the immediate area (I know, for example, that both NYU and Columbia take some NYLS transfers every year.)
If you're at the very, very top (1-5%) of Wayne or Detroit-Mercy, you will conceivably have a shot at Michigan and Georgetown (those are probably the only two). It's a really low shot, but it's a shot.
Genesis wrote:ToTransferOrNot wrote:Most of the T14 do throw a handful of bones to the T3/T4 schools in the immediate area (I know, for example, that both NYU and Columbia take some NYLS transfers every year.)
If you're at the very, very top (1-5%) of Wayne or Detroit-Mercy, you will conceivably have a shot at Michigan and Georgetown (those are probably the only two). It's a really low shot, but it's a shot.
So are you saying I wouldnt have a shot at transferring if I went to MSU Law or Cooley??
Just because you only listed Wayne or UD-Mercy.
Genesis wrote:ToTransferOrNot wrote:Most of the T14 do throw a handful of bones to the T3/T4 schools in the immediate area (I know, for example, that both NYU and Columbia take some NYLS transfers every year.)
If you're at the very, very top (1-5%) of Wayne or Detroit-Mercy, you will conceivably have a shot at Michigan and Georgetown (those are probably the only two). It's a really low shot, but it's a shot.
So are you saying I wouldnt have a shot at transferring if I went to MSU Law or Cooley??
Just because you only listed Wayne or UD-Mercy.
im_blue wrote:IMO you're going to need top 1% to transfer from T4 to T14. There are ~50 T4 schools, so top 1% of all T4 students is still half a law school class of students.
Doritos wrote:im_blue wrote:IMO you're going to need top 1% to transfer from T4 to T14. There are ~50 T4 schools, so top 1% of all T4 students is still half a law school class of students.
That's a good point. On top of that you have all the other people in between T14 and T4 who are top 1% who may have visions of sugar plums and T14's dancing in their heads. This transfer business seems tough.
garbage-to-gold wrote:I know this thread is very old but still gets some searches! Just wanted to let you know from my personal experience, I took my 1L year at Golden Gate University (over 200 to not ranked), and got into Berkeley. T-14 is definitely achievable from a T4 school, but you have to be ready to put the work in. Top 5 student with multiple awards and stellar prof recommendations is what it takes, but you definitely can do it!
Good luck gunners!
yyyuppp wrote:you really really need to put a lot of time and energy into retaking the LSAT. there is a ton of room to improve from a 151. whats your UGPA? Also consider that if you cannot get better than a 151 even after a ton of studying and retakes, that your score puts you near or below the 25 percentile of both MSU and Wayne State. while not entirely predictive of success in law school, the LSAT is roughly correlated to doing well. so, the deck might be seriously stacked against you if your goal is to be in the top 5-10%.
also consider what your goals are. if you just wanna work at a random smallish law firm or something in Michigan, then wayne state or MSU is probably fine. Retake and get a higher score and get a good scholarship (you should not be paying 30k a year to attend these schools). If you want big law you are better served at increasing your score and going to a school that gives you a decent shot of it even if you aren't a top student (i.e. Wash U or ND). This also gives you more room for error if transferring is something you are considering after 1L.
You only get to do law school once, so put yourself in the absolutely best position to succeed going in. retake the LSAT and get as high as you feel you are capable after a ton of studying. if you are happy with the average career outcome for students from MSU/WS, then get a good scholarship and go. on the other hand, It takes a ton of luck and a lot of talent to be in a position to transfer from a T3/4 to a top 14; absolutely do not go to one of those schools with that being your plan, cuz you are 90% likely to fail.
retake the lsat. you will not regret it.
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