Success without passion?

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I decided on law school because...

I love it! Law is my passion.
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36%
My passion is actually ___, but Law was more practical.
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I don't have passions- Law was just a pragmatic choice.
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33%
Other
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8%
 
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Re: Success without passion?

Postby excelsiorcaelo » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:45 pm

Opera; I'm on the train now, posting from my iPhone. Stupid HLS and its short vacation.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:46 pm

shadowfrost000 wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:I keep considering pursuing a dual-degree program and getting an MA in Sociology. It's one of the options offered here at UVA, and I just think it's another thing I'd enjoy studying. I kind of wish now I'd studied sociology or psychology in college.


I wish I could do something like this, but I'm not sure how much of an negative impact it would have on my wallet and how useless it may prove to a career.


Well, I'm intent on going into public-interest and using IBR to pay off my loans either way, so given that I'm not sure I'm concerned about the effect on my wallet. As to usefulness... I want to work in criminal law and it seems like studying how people function might be useful for that. Even if it's not, though, I think it'd be really fun to study regardless, so I'm just kind of on the verge of going "why not".

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby MC Southstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:48 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
shadowfrost000 wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:I keep considering pursuing a dual-degree program and getting an MA in Sociology. It's one of the options offered here at UVA, and I just think it's another thing I'd enjoy studying. I kind of wish now I'd studied sociology or psychology in college.


I wish I could do something like this, but I'm not sure how much of an negative impact it would have on my wallet and how useless it may prove to a career.


Well, I'm intent on going into public-interest and using IBR to pay off my loans either way, so given that I'm not sure I'm concerned about the effect on my wallet. As to usefulness... I want to work in criminal law and it seems like studying how people function might be useful for that. Even if it's not, though, I think it'd be really fun to study regardless, so I'm just kind of on the verge of going "why not".


I guess I'm mostly worried about wallet. We'll see what happens.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:55 pm

vanwinkle wrote:I keep considering pursuing a dual-degree program and getting an MA in Sociology. It's one of the options offered here at UVA, and I just think it's another thing I'd enjoy studying. I kind of wish now I'd studied sociology or psychology in college.

You are so lucky to have tha option at UVA. It's never too late to jump into something new or related. You'd be surprised how easily you get into it despite not having taken soc in college. I mean, the practice of law does not happen in a vacuum, contrary to what SOME people would have you believe :wink: . Not everyone practices behind walls of glass and steel!

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:57 pm

summerstar wrote:Not everyone practices behind walls of glass and steel!


Really? Some of the greatest geniuses in the world study there.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:59 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
summerstar wrote:Not everyone practices behind walls of glass and steel!


Really? Some of the greatest geniuses in the world study there.

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haha...you mean PRACTICE there

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:00 pm

vanwinkle wrote:I keep considering pursuing a dual-degree program and getting an MA in Sociology. It's one of the options offered here at UVA, and I just think it's another thing I'd enjoy studying. I kind of wish now I'd studied sociology or psychology in college.


+1. Psych and sociology rock. I had a premonition (or maybe just a bout of wishful thinking) that I'd get another degree.

To kn: I'm sure there must be a few jerks at Fordham, but so far I've been lucky. My classmates are cooler than I deserve. I was expecting them to look down on me when they heard about my academic background, but that failed to happen. I'm certainly not the party animal of my class, and I barely went out in the last six weeks of school, but my classmates are full of win, and I hope to spend more time with them next semester. (The Fordham TLS crew is also still going strong, though most of them are in another section.)

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby JazzOne » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:04 pm

All this [deleted] Briggs talk got me curious, so I took the test.

INTJ (78%, 38%, 50%, 56%)

78% I? Damn. That's depressing.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby MC Southstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:07 pm

ENFP (67 100 38 44)

Depends on which test you take too.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:08 pm

OS, what's your Academic background?...I love those unsusual stories...

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:13 pm

summerstar wrote:OS, what's your Academic background?...I love those unsusual stories...


Fashion merchandising, darling. I transferred in from a liberal arts college where I had a much more usual course of study. If I had it to do over again, I would have chosen psychology, or maybe art history (I know, I know, but I loved art history.)

What did you study?

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby Renzo » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:22 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:
summerstar wrote:OS, what's your Academic background?...I love those unsusual stories...


Fashion merchandising, darling. I transferred in from a liberal arts college where I had a much more usual course of study. If I had it to do over again, I would have chosen psychology, or maybe art history (I know, I know, but I loved art history.)

What did you study?

I took an art history class once... nobody told me it was the weed-out class for art history majors. It was the hardest class I ever took (harder than linear algebra or econometrics). There were hour-long slide exams where we were expected to know the artist, date, name and location of every slide, and any work that came up in the book or in class was fair game (even if we'd never seen it, only talked about it).

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:30 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:
summerstar wrote:OS, what's your Academic background?...I love those unsusual stories...


Fashion merchandising, darling. I transferred in from a liberal arts college where I had a much more usual course of study. If I had it to do over again, I would have chosen psychology, or maybe art history (I know, I know, but I loved art history.)

What did you study?


Don't EVA apoligize about loving Art History. Apart from being inspiring and soul-nourishing, it ties in so many other subjects, doesn't it...any way fashion-merch, cool. So diverse. What a breath of fresh air! YEA!

Besides, I bet you know how to dress like a lawyer already (even if we can't quite afford it yet) and totally exude confidence. You go girl!

Me? English and Russian Lit, with a Master's in Theology

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:35 pm

Renzo wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
summerstar wrote:OS, what's your Academic background?...I love those unsusual stories...


Fashion merchandising, darling. I transferred in from a liberal arts college where I had a much more usual course of study. If I had it to do over again, I would have chosen psychology, or maybe art history (I know, I know, but I loved art history.)

What did you study?

I took an art history class once... nobody told me it was the weed-out class for art history majors. It was the hardest class I ever took (harder than linear algebra or econometrics). There were hour-long slide exams where we were expected to know the artist, date, name and location of every slide, and any work that came up in the book or in class was fair game (even if we'd never seen it, only talked about it).


You have to be careful... some of them are impossibly hard. I have a good visual memory, but I definitely found my art history classes challenging, though we got a bit more guidance about what to expect on tests. Did you get to write any research papers? I had some fun discussing Goya and his political leanings (he was quite pro Enlightenment and anti-Inquisition, though the Inquisition had fortunately been largely defanged by the early 19th century.)

The trouble with education is that everything is fascinating. We could just get degree after degree, if we had the money. :D

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:39 pm

Renzo wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
summerstar wrote:OS, what's your Academic background?...I love those unsusual stories...


Fashion merchandising, darling. I transferred in from a liberal arts college where I had a much more usual course of study. If I had it to do over again, I would have chosen psychology, or maybe art history (I know, I know, but I loved art history.)

What did you study?

I took an art history class once... nobody told me it was the weed-out class for art history majors. It was the hardest class I ever took (harder than linear algebra or econometrics). There were hour-long slide exams where we were expected to know the artist, date, name and location of every slide, and any work that came up in the book or in class was fair game (even if we'd never seen it, only talked about it).

That is so true R. It was one of the hardest classes, I should say demanding, that I ever took simply because of all those slides and minutae. It almost took the joy out of it... but I had a crabby teacher.
They def want to weed out the students who think they can just oh and ah at the pretty pictures. No No No it is intense. kudos to OS.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:43 pm

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The trouble with education is that everything is fascinating. We could just get degree after degree, if we had the money. :D[/quote]

is that true or what?

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:52 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:The trouble with education is that everything is fascinating. We could just get degree after degree, if we had the money. :D


I would so be a career academic if I could. I think my dream job would be to become a professor at an Ivy League school, arranged such that while I was teaching in one field I could be studying in another and getting yet another degree.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:01 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:The trouble with education is that everything is fascinating. We could just get degree after degree, if we had the money. :D


I would so be a career academic if I could. I think my dream job would be to become a professor at an Ivy League school, arranged such that while I was teaching in one field I could be studying in another and getting yet another degree.


so. say you decide to teach Law one day, what field would you pursue secondarily? And btw, how do you like UVA? Profs, students, campus? I saw your profile, you had so many choices, are you happy you choose it? I was thinking about it, that's why I ask...

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:02 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:The trouble with education is that everything is fascinating. We could just get degree after degree, if we had the money. :D


I would so be a career academic if I could. I think my dream job would be to become a professor at an Ivy League school, arranged such that while I was teaching in one field I could be studying in another and getting yet another degree.


Oooh, I think you should!

To Summerstar: a degree in theology? That's pretty awesome. Though I'm not religious in any traditional sense, I find religious history fascinating.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:08 pm

os, I know, right? I went in to study the history of the early church and read the NT in the original Greek so I could interpret the NT for myself, without the church dogma TELLING me what to think. It was fascinating.
Your research on Goya must have touched on the horrors of the inquisition. Religion has caused more war than peace ...obviously. I'm a little wary of it at present.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby Doritos » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:08 pm

I also find this theology MA interesting. I majored in Religious Studies at Ohio State and find religion to be a tantalizing subject.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:12 pm

summerstar wrote:so. say you decide to teach Law one day, what field would you pursue secondarily? And btw, how do you like UVA? Profs, students, campus? I saw your profile, you had so many choices, are you happy you choose it? I was thinking about it, that's why I ask...


God, what would I choose first? Sociology, psychology, anthropology, history, philosophy, literature... and that's just in the liberal arts. I'd also love to have another chance to study astronomy, physics, or engineering (I was always good with the concepts but never the math). I'd also love to get an advanced degree in film so I could teach film (I was a film major in college, what a fun thing to study--hard, but fun).

I love UVA. Really, to be honest, if it had been Penn that accepted me instead I would probably be content at Penn, too; I love being surrounded by the brightest minds I can be, and academically Penn and UVA are truly peer schools and regard each other as such. Going to the best school I got into was clearly the best choice for me for several reasons, that being one of them.

However, I do like Charlottesville, and the atmosphere at UVA is so relaxed and the opposite of the competitive atmosphere I was expecting, everyone (including professors, except the really shy/awkward ones) are incredibly friendly and helpful. I've struck up conversations with professors I don't even have, just to say hello or ask them something about their field, and they've never had a problem with giving me a few minutes of their time. Softball and the party kind of atmosphere really helps bring you together with your classmates kind of quickly, but you can choose how much or how little you want to participate in anything social.

I hadn't even intended to apply to UVA. I applied to so many schools, and when they sent me a fee waiver I figured, well, what's one more? But I'm so glad I ended up here, it's so ... comfortable, and welcoming, and beautiful.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby biggamejames » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:17 pm

Doritos wrote:This may lead to some sad faces when you actually enter the profession and hate it or you do poorly due to lack of interest in the law but I can see why so many people fall back on law school.

It worked out okay for me. I still really hate working, but legal work sucks less than any other kind of work I've ever done.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:36 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
summerstar wrote:so. say you decide to teach Law one day, what field would you pursue secondarily? And btw, how do you like UVA? Profs, students, campus? I saw your profile, you had so many choices, are you happy you choose it? I was thinking about it, that's why I ask...


God, what would I choose first? Sociology, psychology, anthropology, history, philosophy, literature... and that's just in the liberal arts. I'd also love to have another chance to study astronomy, physics, or engineering (I was always good with the concepts but never the math). I'd also love to get an advanced degree in film so I could teach film (I was a film major in college, what a fun thing to study--hard, but fun).

I love UVA. Really, to be honest, if it had been Penn that accepted me instead I would probably be content at Penn, too; I love being surrounded by the brightest minds I can be, and academically Penn and UVA are truly peer schools and regard each other as such. Going to the best school I got into was clearly the best choice for me for several reasons, that being one of them.

However, I do like Charlottesville, and the atmosphere at UVA is so relaxed and the opposite of the competitive atmosphere I was expecting, everyone (including professors, except the really shy/awkward ones) are incredibly friendly and helpful. I've struck up conversations with professors I don't even have, just to say hello or ask them something about their field, and they've never had a problem with giving me a few minutes of their time. Softball and the party kind of atmosphere really helps bring you together with your classmates kind of quickly, but you can choose how much or how little you want to participate in anything social.

I hadn't even intended to apply to UVA. I applied to so many schools, and when they sent me a fee waiver I figured, well, what's one more? But I'm so glad I ended up here, it's so ... comfortable, and welcoming, and beautiful.


so excellent. and isn't it funny how things like that happen in life...

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:41 pm

Doritos wrote:I also find this theology MA interesting. I majored in Religious Studies at Ohio State and find religion to be a tantalizing subject.


ha! I knew it. an INFP at heart. What was your inspiration? That's rare for someone going into Law. OT or NT primarily? or Comparative?




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