Success without passion?

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I decided on law school because...

I love it! Law is my passion.
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36%
My passion is actually ___, but Law was more practical.
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23%
I don't have passions- Law was just a pragmatic choice.
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33%
Other
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8%
 
Total votes: 148

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby Panther7 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:50 pm

vanwinkle wrote:I keep considering pursuing a dual-degree program and getting an MA in Sociology. It's one of the options offered here at UVA, and I just think it's another thing I'd enjoy studying. I kind of wish now I'd studied sociology or psychology in college.


That's messed up man, as the only other indentified INTP here, I just sent emails to a few prospective schools asking about a JD/MA in Sociology program...

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:57 pm

Panther7 wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:I keep considering pursuing a dual-degree program and getting an MA in Sociology. It's one of the options offered here at UVA, and I just think it's another thing I'd enjoy studying. I kind of wish now I'd studied sociology or psychology in college.


That's messed up man, as the only other indentified INTP here, I just sent emails to a few prospective schools asking about a JD/MA in Sociology program...


Great minds think alike. :mrgreen:

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:08 pm

And... law passion is tied with law pragmatism... TLS.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby dresden doll » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:10 pm

regatsrj wrote:
Renzo wrote: Yes, as a matter of fact (had to take the Meyer-Briggs twice, the I/E went different ways both times).


I'm the exact same! I've taken it probably 4-5 times, and I keep bouncing between INTJ and ENTJ. Apparently we're a very rare type.


Hi.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby dresden doll » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:10 pm

Also, I've become obsessed with MB personality theory thanks to OS. We should have a thread where everyone declares their type.
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Re: Success without passion?

Postby Panther7 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:12 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
Panther7 wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:I keep considering pursuing a dual-degree program and getting an MA in Sociology. It's one of the options offered here at UVA, and I just think it's another thing I'd enjoy studying. I kind of wish now I'd studied sociology or psychology in college.


That's messed up man, as the only other indentified INTP here, I just sent emails to a few prospective schools asking about a JD/MA in Sociology program...


Great minds think alike. :mrgreen:


suggestion for you since you enjoy sociology. I currently work in a homeless shelter, and it's by far the coolest job I've ever had yet. I know I could never make it a career, but it's fun for a little bit. (ironically, this test says it's my anti-career). It's not the helping part i find cool, but being able to study the poeple who live there. it's extremely stimulating. I'm sure I'll bore if it eventually, but it's turning into an awesome year-off job. I'd suggest finding the most decrepit shelter you can find and volunteering there every now and then.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:21 pm

Panther7 wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:
Panther7 wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:I keep considering pursuing a dual-degree program and getting an MA in Sociology. It's one of the options offered here at UVA, and I just think it's another thing I'd enjoy studying. I kind of wish now I'd studied sociology or psychology in college.


That's messed up man, as the only other indentified INTP here, I just sent emails to a few prospective schools asking about a JD/MA in Sociology program...


Great minds think alike. :mrgreen:


suggestion for you since you enjoy sociology. I currently work in a homeless shelter, and it's by far the coolest job I've ever had yet. I know I could never make it a career, but it's fun for a little bit. (ironically, this test says it's my anti-career). [b]It's not the helping part i find cool, but being able to study the poeple who live there.[/b] it's extremely stimulating. I'm sure I'll bore if it eventually, but it's turning into an awesome year-off job. I'd suggest finding the most decrepit shelter you can find and volunteering there every now and then.


I find that somewhat disturbing...

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:23 pm

summerstar wrote:
Panther7 wrote:suggestion for you since you enjoy sociology. I currently work in a homeless shelter, and it's by far the coolest job I've ever had yet. I know I could never make it a career, but it's fun for a little bit. (ironically, this test says it's my anti-career). It's not the helping part i find cool, but being able to study the poeple who live there. it's extremely stimulating. I'm sure I'll bore if it eventually, but it's turning into an awesome year-off job. I'd suggest finding the most decrepit shelter you can find and volunteering there every now and then.


I find that somewhat disturbing...


It might disturb you more to know that I read it and immediately thought "We really do think alike..."

I drove buses while I was in college, which made for great people-watching.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby Panther7 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:29 pm

summerstar wrote:
Panther7 wrote:
suggestion for you since you enjoy sociology. I currently work in a homeless shelter, and it's by far the coolest job I've ever had yet. I know I could never make it a career, but it's fun for a little bit. (ironically, this test says it's my anti-career). It's not the helping part i find cool, but being able to study the poeple who live there. it's extremely stimulating. I'm sure I'll bore if it eventually, but it's turning into an awesome year-off job. I'd suggest finding the most decrepit shelter you can find and volunteering there every now and then.


I find that somewhat disturbing...


Disturbing maybe, but just because I'm helping them for a reason other than the sake of simply helping them doesn't change the fact that I'm helping them. What I get out of it doesn't change the services I render. You should be happy I do what I do, because I don't think 95% of the population could stomach the stuff I deal with.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:32 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
summerstar wrote:
Panther7 wrote:suggestion for you since you enjoy sociology. I currently work in a homeless shelter, and it's by far the coolest job I've ever had yet. I know I could never make it a career, but it's fun for a little bit. (ironically, this test says it's my anti-career). It's not the helping part i find cool, but being able to study the poeple who live there. it's extremely stimulating. I'm sure I'll bore if it eventually, but it's turning into an awesome year-off job. I'd suggest finding the most decrepit shelter you can find and volunteering there every now and then.


I find that somewhat disturbing...


It might disturb you more to know that I read it and immediately thought "We really do think alike..."

I drove buses while I was in college, which made for great people-watching.


Without a doubt there are some real characters on the fringes. Human nature, the human predicament and human suffering all offer puzzles for society to solve as a whole. Unfortunately, these same people are very sensitive to their fate and can really sense it when they are seen as a freak show. There but for fortune, remember...

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:35 pm

summerstar wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:
summerstar wrote:
Panther7 wrote:suggestion for you since you enjoy sociology. I currently work in a homeless shelter, and it's by far the coolest job I've ever had yet. I know I could never make it a career, but it's fun for a little bit. (ironically, this test says it's my anti-career). It's not the helping part i find cool, but being able to study the poeple who live there. it's extremely stimulating. I'm sure I'll bore if it eventually, but it's turning into an awesome year-off job. I'd suggest finding the most decrepit shelter you can find and volunteering there every now and then.


I find that somewhat disturbing...


It might disturb you more to know that I read it and immediately thought "We really do think alike..."

I drove buses while I was in college, which made for great people-watching.


Without a doubt there are some real characters on the fringes. Human nature, the human predicament and human suffering all offer puzzles for society to solve as a whole. Unfortunately, these same people are very sensitive to their fate and can really sense it when they are seen as a freak show. There but for fortune, remember...


This, but I enjoy people watching, both the humble and the great.

To Dresden: we did. I think I shall go resurrect it.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby Panther7 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:41 pm

dresden doll wrote:Also, I've become obsessed with MB personality theory thanks to OS. We should have a thread where everyone declares their type.


i went to make a thread about this, however polls on this site only allow for 10 options instead of 16. I'm actually curious about this, I tend to think this test is very descriptive.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby dresden doll » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:42 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:To Dresden: we did. I think I shall go resurrect it.


Yes, do.

The weird part is, I read the ESTP type the other day and recognized a lot of myself in it. I think I've definitely had ESTP phases. But the weird part is, I've always felt that I was acting majorly out of character at those times, and it seems I was correct: I may have an ESTP in me, but I'm fundamentally an ENTJ.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby MC Southstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:44 pm

I'm actually pleasantly surprised so many people take the MB personality test as seriously as I do.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:44 pm

Panther7 wrote:
dresden doll wrote:Also, I've become obsessed with MB personality theory thanks to OS. We should have a thread where everyone declares their type.


i went to make a thread about this, however polls on this site only allow for 10 options instead of 16. I'm actually curious about this, I tend to think this test is very descriptive.


also, has anyone done a thread about IQ and LSAT score correlation? (do we dare?) I did a search, but didn't see anything like it.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:49 pm

summerstar wrote:
Panther7 wrote:
dresden doll wrote:Also, I've become obsessed with MB personality theory thanks to OS. We should have a thread where everyone declares their type.


i went to make a thread about this, however polls on this site only allow for 10 options instead of 16. I'm actually curious about this, I tend to think this test is very descriptive.


also, has anyone done a thread about IQ and LSAT score correlation? (do we dare?) I did a search, but didn't see anything like it.


http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=97084

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=94105

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=95940

Et cetera, ad nauseam.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby Panther7 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:49 pm

summerstar wrote:
Panther7 wrote:
dresden doll wrote:Also, I've become obsessed with MB personality theory thanks to OS. We should have a thread where everyone declares their type.


i went to make a thread about this, however polls on this site only allow for 10 options instead of 16. I'm actually curious about this, I tend to think this test is very descriptive.


also, has anyone done a thread about IQ and LSAT score correlation? (do we dare?) I did a search, but didn't see anything like it.


i'm sure there's a correlation but not a perfect one. i say this because my percentile on IQ tests exceeds that of my LSAT by a significant amount, but as one goes up it's really hard for that not to be reflected in the results of another. I'd actually be more interested at this point in IQ vs. Personality type. While I don't think one determines the other, I have a gut feeling that certain types are probably more likely to be better at the skills required for IQ tests. As an INTP, I do very well at these types of tests, but I think that has a LOT to do with my process of thought. Certain types of problems just come naturally to me.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby D. H2Oman » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:51 pm

I have no passion about anything.

Also time to take the MB test, because you all have me curious.

edit- Someone knowledgeable, is there one standard version of the test? Good link? Or can I just grab the first one off of google.
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Re: Success without passion?

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:52 pm

Panther7 wrote:i'm sure there's a correlation but not a perfect one. i say this because my percentile on IQ tests exceeds that of my LSAT by a significant amount, but as one goes up it's really hard for that not to be reflected in the results of another. I'd actually be more interested at this point in IQ vs. Personality type. While I don't think one determines the other, I have a gut feeling that certain types are probably more likely to be better at the skills required for IQ tests. As an INTP, I do very well at these types of tests, but I think that has a LOT to do with my process of thought. Certain types of problems just come naturally to me.


IQ vs. LSAT, very short version:

High LSAT = high IQ for the most part. High IQ is necessary (but not sufficient) for high LSAT.

However, high IQ ≠ high LSAT, because there are many reasons other than intelligence level (lack of prep, experience/confidence with standardized testing, etc.) that could cause a lower LSAT score.

Anything beyond that is apt to descend into a flamewar and epic postings of FAIL pics.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:54 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
summerstar wrote:
Panther7 wrote:
dresden doll wrote:Also, I've become obsessed with MB personality theory thanks to OS. We should have a thread where everyone declares their type.


i went to make a thread about this, however polls on this site only allow for 10 options instead of 16. I'm actually curious about this, I tend to think this test is very descriptive.


also, has anyone done a thread about IQ and LSAT score correlation? (do we dare?) I did a search, but didn't see anything like it.


http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=97084

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=94105

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=95940

Et cetera, ad nauseam.

right, saw those. I was thinking just posting raw numbers

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby Panther7 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:56 pm

By the way, this MB test amazed me when my description stated that "I often argue points I don't even believe in just to test them out for myself." I nearly spit up my drink when I read that, because I do that shit all the time. I get in debates and argue whatever point I feel like just to get a better understanding of it myself. All my relatives think I'm some sort of raving lunatic, and I never quite understood that. I really do take debate as a way to work out both my and my adversaries opinions, while most people (I assume) actually do it to try and convince not themselves but the other person. That was the point that sold me on such a simple personality test.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby Panther7 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:58 pm

Dwaterman86 wrote:
edit- Someone knowledgeable, is there one standard version of the test? Good link? Or can I just grab the first one off of google.



http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

this should work for getting your types.

the actual test costs money.

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby summerstar » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:59 pm

Panther7 wrote:By the way, this MB test amazed me when my description stated that "I often argue points I don't even believe in just to test them out for myself." I nearly spit up my drink when I read that, because I do that shit all the time. I get in debates and argue whatever point I feel like just to get a better understanding of it myself. All my relatives think I'm some sort of raving lunatic, and I never quite understood that. I really do take debate as a way to work out both my and my adversaries opinions, while most people (I assume) actually do it to try and convince not themselves but the other person. That was the point that sold me on such a simple personality test.


Isn't that a Philadelphia Lawyer? Or an aspect of one? Whatever, you'll make a good lawyer.
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Re: Success without passion?

Postby D. H2Oman » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:59 pm

Panther7 wrote:
Dwaterman86 wrote:
edit- Someone knowledgeable, is there one standard version of the test? Good link? Or can I just grab the first one off of google.



http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

this should work for getting your types.

the actual test costs money.


thanks :)

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Re: Success without passion?

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:01 pm

summerstar wrote:right, saw those. I was thinking just posting raw numbers


Oh holy shit, you want a thread where everyone would post their IQ?

Yeah, that would be amusing, and totally useless. You'd get a lot of "I don't know my exact IQ but it's OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAND" and "My IQ is 167" followed by "My IQ is 168" followed by "haha u guyz my iq is 169" and "Whatever CE2JD says his IQ is, subtract 20 points" and "this thread should prove conclusively that URMs do not belong in top law schools". The ending would be an epic flamefest that went on for days/weeks/month until a mod finally decided to spoil the fun by locking the thread.

I'd like to see a thread where people just actually post their IQ, but it ain't gonna happen.




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