Success without passion? Forum

[Cloud9]

Very interesting thread...

Specially intrigued about this passion business as I'd always heard that you have to be passionate to accomplish X and while I've accomplished X it has always been without any passion. Just emotionless void as described by Renzo?

I've taken the MB over 12 times throughout the years hoping to score something other than E/I NTJ.

The first time I took it was in HS along with a career inventory test that had lawyer at the top of the results. Back then I was INTJ worked with computers and eventually joined the military during which time I began getting results as ENTJ. After the military I set up my own business, and while it worked out, constantly ran into roadblocks because I hadn't gone to college.

So eventually, I went, and then to grad school. In both college and grad school I took the MB to try to assess career options and ENTJ continued to be the only result. After grad school and a few years of work, I took it again and since then for all the years that followed it has been INTJ - the bane of my existence.

These are the career options that usually come up. The ones in bold are job titles I've held.

* Scientist
* Engineer
* Professor and Teacher
* Medical Doctor / Dentist
* Corporate Strategist and Organization Builder
* Small Business Owner
* Business Administrator / Manager
* Military Leader
* Lawyers / Attorney
* Judge
* Computer Programmer, Systems Analyst and Computer Specialist

It wasn't until I was in my late 30s that I realized I was never part of a team, but rather always led teams. I always thought of it as "team player", but came to realize later that wasn't the case at all.

It's interesting to see other passionless E/INTJs here. There were quite a few ENTJs in my MBA program, but didn't usually run into other NTJs in the course of everyday work.

[flcath]

This thread makes me feel very stupid and out-of-the-loop. I tried wikipedia-ing this personality test thing a few days ago when this thread headed that direction, and I didn't understand a thing in my cursory read-through of the article.

[Cloud9]

Not much to understand.

There are 16 different personality types according to Myers-Briggs (psychologists) which can be assessed through a test, and correlate with certain jobs / career paths.

In certain careers, you tend to find certain personality types. So people take the test to assess their type in order to identify a career they might like or do well at.

And certain types are void of emotion / passion.

There are other similar personality and career tests besides MB. Keirsey, Birkman, Holland, etc.

But they correlate closely. For example, In MB I test as INTJ (Introversion, Intuition, Thinking, Judgement). I've also taken Keirsey - result, Rational Mastermind which correlates to INTJ.

Birkman results are a bit more difficult to explain, but my results generally point to the same type of jobs. My Holland results are Enterprising / Social which are similar to ENTJ.

Does that explain it or make it more confusing?

[Ragged]

I'm not passionate enough to read this whole thread...

[kn6542]

Not much to understand.

There's actually a lot to understand. But pop psychology is pop psychology.

[englawyer]

Very interesting thread...

Specially intrigued about this passion business as I'd always heard that you have to be passionate to accomplish X and while I've accomplished X it has always been without any passion. Just emotionless void as described by Renzo?

I've taken the MB over 12 times throughout the years hoping to score something other than E/I NTJ.

The first time I took it was in HS along with a career inventory test that had lawyer at the top of the results. Back then I was INTJ worked with computers and eventually joined the military during which time I began getting results as ENTJ. After the military I set up my own business, and while it worked out, constantly ran into roadblocks because I hadn't gone to college.

So eventually, I went, and then to grad school. In both college and grad school I took the MB to try to assess career options and ENTJ continued to be the only result. After grad school and a few years of work, I took it again and since then for all the years that followed it has been INTJ - the bane of my existence.

These are the career options that usually come up. The ones in bold are job titles I've held.

* Scientist
* Engineer
* Professor and Teacher
* Medical Doctor / Dentist
* Corporate Strategist and Organization Builder
* Small Business Owner
* Business Administrator / Manager
* Military Leader
* Lawyers / Attorney
* Judge
* Computer Programmer, Systems Analyst and Computer Specialist

It wasn't until I was in my late 30s that I realized I was never part of a team, but rather always led teams. I always thought of it as "team player", but came to realize later that wasn't the case at all.

It's interesting to see other passionless E/INTJs here. There were quite a few ENTJs in my MBA program, but didn't usually run into other NTJs in the course of everyday work.

I am INTP/ENTP here. i often clash strongly with E/INTJ . We often hate hierarchical structures and resent attempts at control by others. our focus is more on new ideas/products/innovation rather than attempting to gain power. then again my s/o is an ENTJ

i find these descriptions particularly applicable for myself: "Natural leaders, but do not like to control people" "Resist being controlled by people" "Dislike confining schedules and environments" "Enjoy debating issues with other people"

the ENTJ/ENTP relationship can be quite awkward. ENTJ are necessary to control the sheep, but ENTP are necessary to truly "create value" (products, ideas, sales, etc). attempts by ENTJ types to overly control/micromanage ENTP will often result in team failure so its an interesting balance.

i am worried about my capacity to undergo "hazing" as a biglaw associate through meaningless work, complete lack of power, etc. but i also see that realistically any career will entail some of that to start.

[jonas586]

right, saw those. I was thinking just posting raw numbers

Oh holy shit, you want a thread where everyone would post their IQ?

Yeah, that would be amusing, and totally useless. You'd get a lot of "I don't know my exact IQ but it's OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAND" and "My IQ is 167" followed by "My IQ is 168" followed by "haha u guyz my iq is 169" and "Whatever CE2JD says his IQ is, subtract 20 points" and "this thread should prove conclusively that URMs do not belong in top law schools". The ending would be an epic flamefest that went on for days/weeks/month until a mod finally decided to spoil the fun by locking the thread.

I'd like to see a thread where people just actually post their IQ, but it ain't gonna happen.

These reasons are exactly why we need an IQ thread

[flcath]

Not much to understand.

There are 16 different personality types according to Myers-Briggs (psychologists) which can be assessed through a test, and correlate with certain jobs / career paths.

In certain careers, you tend to find certain personality types. So people take the test to assess their type in order to identify a career they might like or do well at.

And certain types are void of emotion / passion.

There are other similar personality and career tests besides MB. Keirsey, Birkman, Holland, etc.

But they correlate closely. For example, In MB I test as INTJ (Introversion, Intuition, Thinking, Judgement). I've also taken Keirsey - result, Rational Mastermind which correlates to INTJ.

Birkman results are a bit more difficult to explain, but my results generally point to the same type of jobs. My Holland results are Enterprising / Social which are similar to ENTJ.

Does that explain it or make it more confusing?

Um, a little bit. Like I said I tried to read the wikipedia about it but I didn't really get categories/dichotomies.

Is there an online test for these?

[Veyron]

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[kn6542]

Not much to understand.

There are 16 different personality types according to Myers-Briggs (psychologists) which can be assessed through a test, and correlate with certain jobs / career paths.

In certain careers, you tend to find certain personality types. So people take the test to assess their type in order to identify a career they might like or do well at.

And certain types are void of emotion / passion.

There are other similar personality and career tests besides MB. Keirsey, Birkman, Holland, etc.

But they correlate closely. For example, In MB I test as INTJ (Introversion, Intuition, Thinking, Judgement). I've also taken Keirsey - result, Rational Mastermind which correlates to INTJ.

Birkman results are a bit more difficult to explain, but my results generally point to the same type of jobs. My Holland results are Enterprising / Social which are similar to ENTJ.

Does that explain it or make it more confusing?

Um, a little bit. Like I said I tried to read the wikipedia about it but I didn't really get categories/dichotomies.

Is there an online test for these?

These tests are primarily jungian based. If you don't get the basic principles, take a look at a jungian primer to get an idea why they talk about it the way they do.
There are test all over the net for this stuff that you can find with google.