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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accept to a T-14?

Postby Drake014 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:45 pm

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Pearalegal wrote:Yale accepted someone with a 152 last year.


Source?


In the history of the T14s I'm sure they've accepted a few applicants with really really low numbers for various reasons (important alumni children, amazing softs, etc). Not really sure why the OP cares.

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Postby jmhendri » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:49 pm

ok..... because the average Havard LSAT score is 171.... Obama's score can be estimated to be 171? WOW.

That logic is flawed even before you consider the fact that he is an URM with an interesting back story and the writing ability to truss it up so that it's even more interesting.

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby Sakura3210 » Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:11 pm

slider wrote:
Pearalegal wrote:Yale accepted someone with a 152 last year.


Source?


Yale's own website. Don't remember the link, but they also gave a list of UG's, previous careers, etc.

EDIT: NM, I found it: http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/profile.htm

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby kyle » Tue Dec 29, 2009 2:22 am

yale has a LSAT / GPA matrix on LSACs website - I think they are the only t14 that lists theirs.

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Postby Aloha4 » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:30 pm

Im pretty sure Obama's was close to perfect. Now G Dubs on the other hand....


jmhendri wrote:
crazycanuck wrote:I am very curious as what G. W. Bush and Obama's LSAT scores were.


Educated Guess,

144; 160 respectively. haha

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Postby 09042014 » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:36 pm

LSAT is only a rough estimate on how well someone will do at law school. Obama finished magna cum laude, and was President of the law review.

Whatever his lsat was, he excelled at studying law.

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby fonzerelli » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:37 pm

superflush wrote:
Dwaterman86 wrote:
mistergoft wrote:
crazycanuck wrote:I am very curious as what G. W. Bush and Obama's LSAT scores were.

Bush didn't go to law school, d00der.


I think he applied though.


He did apply. Got rejected from UT .. (I believe at a time when his father was the governor of the state)


UT just crept up in my personal ranking system.

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Postby LSATfromNC » Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:10 pm

rayiner wrote:
LSATfromNC wrote:
rayiner wrote:This is a dumb conversation all around, but it should be noted that back then harvard's LSAT median was like 90th percentile...


I believe Georgetown was considered the top dog back then, how times have changed.


Not really at all.


I can't find it now, but it was about one of those judges on tv. Anyway it mentioned they turned down Harvard when they were accepted to Georgetown, because GULC was the nations elite law school. I don't really care either way, both of their reputations are better than any where I will end up next year.

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby OnlyLivingBoyinNY » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:22 pm

Due to affirmative action, however, one must reduce that score by at least 186 points.


Some minorities admitted to Harvard have less than average LSAT scores. Barack Obama is a minority (sort of), and Barack Obama was admitted to Harvard. Therefore, Barack Obama's LSAT score is less than average.

Am I following this blog's logic correctly?

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accept to a T-14?

Postby 2011Law » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:33 pm

Drake014 wrote:
slider wrote:
Pearalegal wrote:Yale accepted someone with a 152 last year.


Source?


In the history of the T14s I'm sure they've accepted a few applicants with really really low numbers for various reasons (important alumni children, amazing softs, etc). Not really sure why the OP cares.


I doubt that Yale took a 152 scorer anytime in the past few years.

edit: unless the person retook and scored higher that is.

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby lisjjen » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:42 pm

OnlyLivingBoyinNY wrote:
Due to affirmative action, however, one must reduce that score by at least 186 points.


Some minorities admitted to Harvard have less than average LSAT scores. Barack Obama is a minority (sort of), and Barack Obama was admitted to Harvard. Therefore, Barack Obama's LSAT score is less than average.

Am I following this blog's logic correctly?


Unfortunately. The whole... magna cum laude and president of the law review thing gets tossed out of the equation pretty quickly.

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Postby HOPEFORCHANGE » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:29 pm

HerseyChris wrote:
jmhendri wrote:
crazycanuck wrote:I am very curious as what G. W. Bush and Obama's LSAT scores were.


Educated Guess,

144; 160 respectively. haha


My guess:

158-162 for both.


You really think Bush could score a 158? I know that for people who easily score in the 170s, a 158 looks really low - but Bush and a 158? Uh, I doubt it. I will go with the 144 guy. Also, just because someone scores in the 140s or lower on the LSAT doesn't mean they aren't intelligent - just not fit for law school in most cases.

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby dr123 » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:33 pm

I know someone who was accepted at michigan this cycle with a 154 who is not a urm
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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby LLB2JD » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:41 pm

lisjjen wrote:
OnlyLivingBoyinNY wrote:
Due to affirmative action, however, one must reduce that score by at least 186 points.


Some minorities admitted to Harvard have less than average LSAT scores. Barack Obama is a minority (sort of), and Barack Obama was admitted to Harvard. Therefore, Barack Obama's LSAT score is less than average.

Am I following this blog's logic correctly?


Unfortunately. The whole... magna cum laude and president of the law review thing gets tossed out of the equation pretty quickly.


Yea - being the President of the Harvard Law Review was some sort of affirmative selection.... Don't these people get tired of this crap?

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accept to a T-14?

Postby lawloser22 » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:42 pm

2011Law wrote:
Drake014 wrote:
slider wrote:
Pearalegal wrote:Yale accepted someone with a 152 last year.


Source?


In the history of the T14s I'm sure they've accepted a few applicants with really really low numbers for various reasons (important alumni children, amazing softs, etc). Not really sure why the OP cares.


I doubt that Yale took a 152 scorer anytime in the past few years.

edit: unless the person retook and scored higher that is.


The 158's LSN profile indicates that it was through "family connections":

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Fingerscrossed27/jd

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby redsoxfan2495 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:00 am

Bush got rejected from UT with a degree from Yale, military experience, and significant experience working on multiple campaigns. I have to believe that his LSAT was less than stellar. I'm not one of those people who thinks that W. was borderline retarded, I just think that he was a person of slightly above average intelligence in a job that requires much more. He could've scored anywhere from low 150's to low 160's.

I've read conflicting things on Obama. Obviously he's pretty bright (magna cum laude from HLS, President of the Law Review). Still, some say that he got in because he was a URM with a compelling diversity statement. I'd bet that he hit at least the upper 160's, but a spectacular score wouldn't surprise me.

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby SupraVln180 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:55 am

wester0 wrote:
lawloser22 wrote:The 158's LSN profile indicates that it was through "family connections":

http://lawschoolnumbers.com/Fingerscrossed27/jd


Couldn't get into Miami but got into Yale? Jesus that's fucked up.


Can't hate on that kid though, at least he knew why. I'd use my family connections too if I had them.

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby lakers3peat » Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:53 pm

Obama and Bush probably scored +/- 3 points of each other, not that it matters at all.

I highly doubt Obama scored in the High 160s.

I'm sure him and Bush both scored in the Mid-Upper 150s, just like almost all test takers do.


Obama has a pretty good advantage being an URM, and by pretty good I mean ridiculously good.


I scored 450 points higher(2040) and got waitlisted at my undergrad when a fellow african-american classmate scored 1600 and got accepted. When I asked him what schools he got into and he told me UCLA I was awe stricken. I was genuinely happy for the kid till he made it seem like UCLA was some piece of shit school that he wasn't even considering and it was my dream to go there and I had higher GPA, higher SAT score, tons of extra curricular etc. etc.

Point is: Check the African-American box on applications.

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby Jack Smirks » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:00 pm

lakers3peat wrote:Point is: Check the African-American box on applications.

Dude no.

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Postby czelede » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:13 pm

lakers3peat wrote:Obama and Bush probably scored +/- 3 points of each other, not that it matters at all.

I highly doubt Obama scored in the High 160s.

I'm sure him and Bush both scored in the Mid-Upper 150s, just like almost all test takers do.


Obama has a pretty good advantage being an URM, and by pretty good I mean ridiculously good.


I scored 450 points higher(2040) and got waitlisted at my undergrad when a fellow african-american classmate scored 1600 and got accepted. When I asked him what schools he got into and he told me UCLA I was awe stricken. I was genuinely happy for the kid till he made it seem like UCLA was some piece of shit school that he wasn't even considering and it was my dream to go there and I had higher GPA, higher SAT score, tons of extra curricular etc. etc.

Point is: Check the African-American box on applications.


That blog is full of fail, and this post is full of fail.

If Obama went to some school ranked in the 30s, you could maybe argue his score couldn't have been that high - because with AA, he would've gotten into a better school if it had been. As it is, he went to the one of THE best law schools in the nation, so even if he had scored a 180 he would've likely attended HLS anyways. Could he have been AA boosted in? Certainly. Does that mean he was? No. Maybe this is a novel concept to you, but there is such a thing as an intelligent, educated black man.

Also, I completely don't understand the logic behind Vox Populi's reasoning here:

Obama graduated from my mother's alma mater, where everyone takes the various college prep tests. He was not a National Merit Scholar, a National Merit Semifinalist or an Outstanding Participant. This indicates a ceiling on his SAT percentile at 96.9, which indicates a maximum possible SAT score of 1230 and maximum IQ of 129.

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby TurtlesAllTheWayDown » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:23 pm

Given that he seemed to have been an excellent student at HLS for all the reasons mentioned above and his ridiculous eloquence (which i take to be an indicator that one is intelligent), I think it is fair to assert that Obama did well (read: 170+) on the LSAT. Not to mention the LSAT is a test that can be learned if you are good at that type of thinking. He seems to be very coldly logical, and I would wager that he had the work ethic to crush it.
I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he scored how you would expect an HLS student to score.

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby Patriot1208 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:38 pm

You know, extrapolating how well Bush and Obama did on the LSAT is something that:

1) We cannot do because of insufficient information
2) Fucking stupid because it doesn't matter

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Re: what is the lowest lsat score ever to be accepted to a T-14?

Postby TurtlesAllTheWayDown » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:59 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:You know, extrapolating how well Bush and Obama did on the LSAT is something that:

1) We cannot do because of insufficient information
2) Fucking stupid because it doesn't matter


viewtopic.php?f=10&t=124213&p=4003810#p4003810

Shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house, and if you want to talk about how "fucking stupid" something is, you should spend less time on TLS talking about video games and/or prove that video games matter.

I do agree that we can't ever intuit their scores, but some still consider it an interesting question.

PS: Anyone that could fake the 9/11 attacks had to have scored a 180 on the LSAT.

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Postby Patriot1208 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:03 pm

TurtlesAllTheWayDown wrote:http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=124213&p=4003810#p4003810

Shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house, and if you want to talk about how "fucking stupid" something is, you should spend less time on TLS talking about video games and/or prove that video games matter.

I do agree that we can't ever intuit their scores, but some still consider it an interesting question.

PS: Anyone that could fake the 9/11 attacks had to have scored a 180 on the LSAT.

Lolwut? Did you just defend the stupidity of speculating lsat scores by linking a post where I express not knowing anything about video games like WoW?




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