2L and Back Again

(housing, friendships, future exams, all things 2019)

What are you doing this summer?

Big Firm
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32%
Med/Small Firm
14
9%
Government
33
22%
Judicial
20
13%
Non-Profit
21
14%
Other
11
7%
Couch Surfing
5
3%
 
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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby thetravelinglawyer » Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:36 am

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thetravelinglawyer wrote:One girl pulled him aside and asked him to please stop making comments that were tangential and distractions from the actual topic, and he got super pissed at her and started yelling and asking if she was going to tell every person in class the same thing. She told him no because he is the only one doing it, and he got even madder and kept yelling that he is a student too and can say what he wants, so she panicked and just walked away. After the comment about the Legal Writing prof not being a prof, the TA (a female) told him he was being disrespectful and he started yelling again that it was actually the prof who is being disrespectful by using a title she didn't earn. He gets aggressive (verbally, not physically) really quickly, so no one really wants to confront him.

how have the professors not kicked him out yet...?


I ask myself that daily

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby BirdLawExpert » Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:14 pm

#KillAllGunners

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby dodint » Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:15 pm

My Lawyering section has an actor in it. He's a really nice guy, but sooooo much drama.

Not a pun. He has an issue with nearly everything.

Not a notable actor you'd know, a community theater type.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby Bearlyalive » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:16 pm

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby BirdLawExpert » Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:10 pm

Bearlyalive wrote:Oh, and apparently he's already working on a note topic of how all tort law is wrong and would be better conceived of as property law. We spent about 10 minutes in one of our tort classes with him talking about his position.


This is the coldest of takes. Our torts professor, who literally wrote the book, hates torts and already pretty much thinks this, but he acknowledges that the legal theory just doesn't pan out. If the gunner follows through and writes this note, he will secure himself as the slowpoke of the legal world :lol:

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby lymenheimer » Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:30 pm

No real gunners in my classes (which means, it's me, right?). Only two people that come close just answer questions regularly and are much less concise than they could be.

There's one guy in my section who is somehow a master of avoiding cold-calls. Once he was asked maybe 5 questions over a 10-20 minute discussion of a case, explicitly on the facts and minimal application, when usually in class a person is on call for the entire class and does full facts, application, hypos, etc. He also has yet to be called for anything substantive in any of our other classes as well.

eta: in other news, I've almost completely eliminated the need to buy/bring lunch by filling my calendar with catered lunch discussions. And sometime we'll get dinner provided if we have a late meeting, class, or training session.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby Bearlyalive » Tue Sep 27, 2016 6:44 pm

I so want to take advantage of the free food, but my Contracts class ends at 12 and all the events start at 12:10. And my Contracts professor tends to keep us 1 to 2 minutes over. By the time I get in line for anything decent, its already so long that the food will be gone by the time I get in.

I mean, I guess I could eat greasy cheese pizza every day at the less popular events, but there's a limit to how desperate I am for free food. And I can take naps if I go home to eat, since my break between morning and afternoon classes is almost 3 hours long.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby daisrt » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:45 pm

Checking in!
Bearlyalive wrote:
I mean, I guess I could eat greasy cheese pizza every day at the less popular events, but there's a limit to how desperate I am for free food. And I can take naps if I go home to eat, since my break between morning and afternoon classes is almost 3 hours long.


Same. Free food is great but it cuts into my ~3 hour break. Have you all been attending the various lunch panels/career talks/etc. offered, and have you found them helpful or interesting at all? I haven't gone to any and am worried I may be missing out.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby lymenheimer » Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:18 pm

daisrt wrote:Checking in!
Bearlyalive wrote:
I mean, I guess I could eat greasy cheese pizza every day at the less popular events, but there's a limit to how desperate I am for free food. And I can take naps if I go home to eat, since my break between morning and afternoon classes is almost 3 hours long.


Same. Free food is great but it cuts into my ~3 hour break. Have you all been attending the various lunch panels/career talks/etc. offered, and have you found them helpful or interesting at all? I haven't gone to any and am worried I may be missing out.


Yea. My K professor is bad about letting us out on time as well. So I end up with pizza fairly regularly. Luckily it's not too greasy, but it can't be good for my tummy. Lol at having afternoon classes though. I'm done before 12:30 (when our events start) and have the entire afternoon to do whatever...like avoid my casebooks! So I usually pull them out and then take a nap in the library. I have a pretty comfy spot now. As far as the events I have attended, most of them have been interest meetings for student groups. Sometimes there are two that I am interested in, or one that I am less interested in than the other, but the less interesting one brings Chickfila, so it's really a difficult decision sometimes. I doubt you're truly missing anything since you have 2 more years to get acquainted and join groups, but some of the talks here are interesting. And it gets me thinking about questions I can pose to profs that I don't have classes with this semester, to get a jump on friendship.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby thetravelinglawyer » Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:41 am

lymenheimer wrote:There's one guy in my section who is somehow a master of avoiding cold-calls. Once he was asked maybe 5 questions over a 10-20 minute discussion of a case, explicitly on the facts and minimal application, when usually in class a person is on call for the entire class and does full facts, application, hypos, etc. He also has yet to be called for anything substantive in any of our other classes as well.


This is me so far. We're in week 6 and I have yet to be cold called. I know it's coming, and probably all at once, and probably on the day I am least prepared. Karma's gonna be a bitch.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby BirdLawExpert » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:50 pm

thetravelinglawyer wrote:
lymenheimer wrote:There's one guy in my section who is somehow a master of avoiding cold-calls. Once he was asked maybe 5 questions over a 10-20 minute discussion of a case, explicitly on the facts and minimal application, when usually in class a person is on call for the entire class and does full facts, application, hypos, etc. He also has yet to be called for anything substantive in any of our other classes as well.


This is me so far. We're in week 6 and I have yet to be cold called. I know it's coming, and probably all at once, and probably on the day I am least prepared. Karma's gonna be a bitch.


I got cold-called for the first time on Monday and survived. My general strategy is just raise my hand occasionally during discussion and make a short, substantive comment; that way my name gets crossed off the seating chart my profs use to cold call.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby thetravelinglawyer » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:35 pm

That strategy is legit, that's what I have been doing, which I think is why I haven't been called. If that works the whole semester I will be so happy.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby hopefuljumbo23 » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:45 pm

Sigh, I hate that Cornell has 5 substantive classes while other schools have 3 substantive + 1 ungraded legal writing.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby dodint » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:08 pm

BirdLawExpert wrote:Our torts professor, who literally wrote the book, hates torts and already pretty much thinks this...


My hero. Torts can suck an egg, give me a black letter statute any day instead of this squishy common law with an exception for everything.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby The Abyss » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:47 pm

My contracts and reg state professors cold call about a 1/3rd of the class every class. You only get asked a question or 2 though so it's not bad.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby Hikikomorist » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:04 pm

The Abyss wrote:My contracts and reg state professors cold call about a 1/3rd of the class every class. You only get asked a question or 2 though so it's not bad.

Don't lie to yourself. It's awful.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby davey jones » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:06 pm

Hikikomorist wrote:
The Abyss wrote:My contracts and reg state professors cold call about a 1/3rd of the class every class. You only get asked a question or 2 though so it's not bad.

Don't lie to yourself. It's awful.

lol cold calling is not awful

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby Hikikomorist » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:10 pm

davey jones wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
The Abyss wrote:My contracts and reg state professors cold call about a 1/3rd of the class every class. You only get asked a question or 2 though so it's not bad.

Don't lie to yourself. It's awful.

lol cold calling is not awful

Having to interact in class one out of every three days sounds pretty terrible.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby The Abyss » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:57 pm

Hikikomorist wrote:
davey jones wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
The Abyss wrote:My contracts and reg state professors cold call about a 1/3rd of the class every class. You only get asked a question or 2 though so it's not bad.

Don't lie to yourself. It's awful.

lol cold calling is not awful

Having to interact in class one out of every three days sounds pretty terrible.


Sometimes even more. It is what it is. I've gotten used to it at this point.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby The Abyss » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:58 pm

Also, no classes tomorrow, Friday, and Monday! 8)

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby Bearlyalive » Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:21 pm

I like Torts, our visiting professor is a hero and legitimately one of the most entertaining teachers I've ever had.

For cold calls, eh. Been called on a few times in Contracts (small section), once in Civ Pro, and never for Torts (our Torts professor doesn't really bother, and I participate enough in that class anyways). Been told by classmates that my answers are relatively coherent, so figure it's not that big a deal.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby benwyatt » Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:38 am

Hikikomorist wrote:
davey jones wrote:
Hikikomorist wrote:
The Abyss wrote:My contracts and reg state professors cold call about a 1/3rd of the class every class. You only get asked a question or 2 though so it's not bad.

Don't lie to yourself. It's awful.

lol cold calling is not awful

Having to interact in class one out of every three days sounds pretty terrible.

Cold calls are not that bad, literally no one cares what comes out of your mouth.

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby ugg » Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:52 am

if you think cold calling and speaking in front of your peers is the worst thing ever why are you becoming a lawyer

if you haven't noticed these are directly related to the skill set you are expected to utilize daily when practicing and if not daily, certainly in court

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby ChervonaKatya » Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:39 pm

Bearlyalive wrote:I like Torts, our visiting professor is a hero and legitimately one of the most entertaining teachers I've ever had.


Is this professor Sherman Clark, by chance?

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Re: Abandon A1L Hope, Ye Who Enter Here (1L thread)

Postby Bearlyalive » Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:59 pm

ChervonaKatya wrote:
Bearlyalive wrote:I like Torts, our visiting professor is a hero and legitimately one of the most entertaining teachers I've ever had.


Is this professor Sherman Clark, by chance?


Bingo.



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