Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

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Which section are you in?

A
5
31%
B
4
25%
C
7
44%
 
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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby Scalvert » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:37 pm

The Abyss wrote:
Scalvert wrote:
The Abyss wrote:Anyone get any grades back except for legal writing?



I heard sec A has theirs.


Damn. I think I'm going to break my f5 key refreshing YES.


Sec B or C?

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby The Abyss » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:45 pm

Scalvert wrote:
The Abyss wrote:
Scalvert wrote:
The Abyss wrote:Anyone get any grades back except for legal writing?



I heard sec A has theirs.


Damn. I think I'm going to break my f5 key refreshing YES.


Sec B or C?


B

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby jumbocolumbo » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:25 pm

Anyone know what the median is supposed to be? Seems like 3.3ish, maybe 3.4?

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby arklaw13 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:53 pm

jumbocolumbo wrote:Anyone know what the median is supposed to be? Seems like 3.3ish, maybe 3.4?


It's somewhere between the two, closer to a 3.4.

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby jumbocolumbo » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:02 pm

arklaw13 wrote:It's somewhere between the two, closer to a 3.4.


Cool, thanks.

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby do_me_a_favor » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:38 pm

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby The_Lorax » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:45 pm

do_me_a_favor wrote:
arklaw13 wrote:
jumbocolumbo wrote:Anyone know what the median is supposed to be? Seems like 3.3ish, maybe 3.4?


It's somewhere between the two, closer to a 3.4.


would take this with a grain of salt, i've heard it's closer to 3.3 than 3.4. but apparently it's available in the library??

Really? where/how does one find it? That seems odd

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby do_me_a_favor » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:23 am

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby lurker816 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:19 am

on that note, anyone know when/if pdp does invites after spring? had a ~big upswing~ and want to make my resume all pretty before oci (but if they only do it after first sem, f that i guess)

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby arklaw13 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:28 am

If they put the information in the library, they did it since I've graduated. There was some outdated information when I was there, but the curve has changed since then.

The percentages of students that are supposed to be given each grade were leaked by some visiting professor when I was there. You can do some math based on those and figure what the median should be for a given class. It is closer to a 3.4 than 3.3, but could vary slightly because there's probably still a certain amount of discretion involved.

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby do_me_a_favor » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:55 pm

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby arklaw13 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:28 pm

do_me_a_favor wrote:
arklaw13 wrote:If they put the information in the library, they did it since I've graduated. There was some outdated information when I was there, but the curve has changed since then.

The percentages of students that are supposed to be given each grade were leaked by some visiting professor when I was there. You can do some math based on those and figure what the median should be for a given class. It is closer to a 3.4 than 3.3, but could vary slightly because there's probably still a certain amount of discretion involved.


that grade curve is now available in the student handbook--so we do know exactly what the grade distribution should be, but unfortunately that's not enough to calculate the median using only the dean's list cutoff. unless there's some mathematical formula idk about lol.

also, apparently the professors are allowed to jigger with the grade distribution and so it's not a guarantee they all use the numbers used in the student handbook. this basically destroys any chance at precisely calculating the GPA levels---again, unless im missing something key.

i just doubt it's 3.4 median because my friend with a 3.5 (idk what it was exactly but it was def 3.5 and not much over) got an invite to PDP as well, meaning she's probably top third at that GPA. would just one point in GPA separate 33% and 50%??? that feels strange. plus a 3.4 is greater than a b+ average, which more than half the class has.


When you say that the handbook has the "grade curve," what exactly do you mean?

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby The Abyss » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:34 pm

arklaw13 wrote:
do_me_a_favor wrote:
arklaw13 wrote:If they put the information in the library, they did it since I've graduated. There was some outdated information when I was there, but the curve has changed since then.

The percentages of students that are supposed to be given each grade were leaked by some visiting professor when I was there. You can do some math based on those and figure what the median should be for a given class. It is closer to a 3.4 than 3.3, but could vary slightly because there's probably still a certain amount of discretion involved.


that grade curve is now available in the student handbook--so we do know exactly what the grade distribution should be, but unfortunately that's not enough to calculate the median using only the dean's list cutoff. unless there's some mathematical formula idk about lol.

also, apparently the professors are allowed to jigger with the grade distribution and so it's not a guarantee they all use the numbers used in the student handbook. this basically destroys any chance at precisely calculating the GPA levels---again, unless im missing something key.

i just doubt it's 3.4 median because my friend with a 3.5 (idk what it was exactly but it was def 3.5 and not much over) got an invite to PDP as well, meaning she's probably top third at that GPA. would just one point in GPA separate 33% and 50%??? that feels strange. plus a 3.4 is greater than a b+ average, which more than half the class has.


When you say that the handbook has the "grade curve," what exactly do you mean?


I think they're referring to a chart with A = x% of students, B+ = x% of students, etc.

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby arklaw13 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:31 pm

Well if you have the percentages you can figure up a rough estimate of what the median would be. But if people are just wondering if it's closer to a 3.3 or 3.4, the easy answer is that there are quite a bit more A/A-'s given out than B/B-'s, in addition to the fact that an A- pulls your gpa up more relative to a B+ than a B pulls it down. Someone who's better at manipulating data sets could probably compare averages of random outcomes across 7 classes and get a decent mean/stdev, but the short answer is that it's probably closer to a 3.4.

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby Big Red » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:23 am

I think you're underestimating just how much of the class is in the range of 3.3-3.5 due to the sheer volume of B+s handed out. It's important to keep in mind that the curve loosens up after your first year but is, by design, very tight.

3.5 was also good enough for PDP in the 1L class last year (which is top third), but I can tell you that 3.7 didn't grade on to VLR (~top 10%) and would bet that 3.8 did.

I've heard nothing about coif, but would guess (which much less confidence than that a 3.8 gets on VLR) that it's in the mid 3.8 range. I'm pretty sure Vandy doesn't have any latin, which is a shame, but I do honestly believe the curve helps people in the 3.4-3.5 range get jobs.

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby The_Lorax » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:11 am

Big Red wrote:3.5 was also good enough for PDP in the 1L class last year (which is top third), but I can tell you that 3.7 didn't grade on to VLR (~top 10%) and would bet that 3.8 did.

With the >200 person class this year I'd be pretty surprised if 3.8 graded onto Law Review this year unless a bunch of the top take the write on spots too.

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby The_Lorax » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:13 am

do_me_a_favor wrote:
arklaw13 wrote:If they put the information in the library, they did it since I've graduated. There was some outdated information when I was there, but the curve has changed since then.

Sorry for a dumb request, but where does one find that on the intranet?

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby do_me_a_favor » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:19 am

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby jumbocolumbo » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:38 am

I can't seem to find this info, but do we know roughly when we hear about journals including ELPAR?

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby The Abyss » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:40 am

jumbocolumbo wrote:I can't seem to find this info, but do we know roughly when we hear about journals including ELPAR?


I think before the 4th, but don't hold me to that.

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby do_me_a_favor » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:42 am

jumbocolumbo wrote:I can't seem to find this info, but do we know roughly when we hear about journals including ELPAR?


a prof emailed and said definitely by july 4 and possibly before end of june.

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby jumbocolumbo » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:51 am

Thanks ya'll.

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby arklaw13 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:10 pm

The_Lorax wrote:
Big Red wrote:3.5 was also good enough for PDP in the 1L class last year (which is top third), but I can tell you that 3.7 didn't grade on to VLR (~top 10%) and would bet that 3.8 did.

With the >200 person class this year I'd be pretty surprised if 3.8 graded onto Law Review this year unless a bunch of the top take the write on spots too.


If a person would have both graded and written on, they get put in as a grade-on. So someone who would have graded on does not take up a write on spot.

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby arklaw13 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:12 pm

Big Red wrote:I think you're underestimating just how much of the class is in the range of 3.3-3.5 due to the sheer volume of B+s handed out. It's important to keep in mind that the curve loosens up after your first year but is, by design, very tight.

3.5 was also good enough for PDP in the 1L class last year (which is top third), but I can tell you that 3.7 didn't grade on to VLR (~top 10%) and would bet that 3.8 did.

I've heard nothing about coif, but would guess (which much less confidence than that a 3.8 gets on VLR) that it's in the mid 3.8 range. I'm pretty sure Vandy doesn't have any latin, which is a shame, but I do honestly believe the curve helps people in the 3.4-3.5 range get jobs.


Grade on for VLR is somewhere in the 3.8 range, but by the time coif comes out (with the more generous 2L and 3L curves), I would expect that cutoff to be a 3.9 or higher.

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Re: Vanderbilt Law Class of 2019

Postby Big Red » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:29 pm

FYI journal invites come out before they're listed online by phone. If you get a call, maybe wait until the full list comes out to tell anyone but your parents so there isn't any prolonged suspense or agony for classmates.


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