Columbia Law Class of 2019

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When are you getting here?

July
1
5%
August 1-August 4
3
14%
August 5-9
6
27%
August 10-August 15
12
55%
 
Total votes: 22

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4LTsPointingNorth
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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby 4LTsPointingNorth » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:05 pm

KingWolf72 wrote:
4LTsPointingNorth wrote:FWIW two of my first semester 1L grades posted in the afternoon of the day grades were due (i.e., tomorrow)


By when did you have all of your grades?


I had received my first grade a few days prior, so I had all my grades in doctrinal courses by the early evening of the equivalent of tomorrow. I have no memory of when I received my LPW/legal research credits, which really don't matter.

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby benwyatt » Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:00 pm

ugg wrote:Anyone actually get any substantial grades back yet? Legal Methods does not count.

How dare you slander my legal methods grade.
I worked VERY hard for that "CR"

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Bearlyalive
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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby Bearlyalive » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:09 pm

*refreshes registration services*

*twiddles thumbs*

KingWolf72
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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby KingWolf72 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:07 pm

Today is looking less and less likely. Are we being punished?

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TheKisSquared
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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby TheKisSquared » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:44 am

someone remind me that all is not lost after being median pwned, plz.

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby frasier » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:50 am

TheKisSquared wrote:someone remind me that all is not lost after being median pwned, plz.


What is the median? B+?

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby FastRun » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:15 am

frasier wrote:What is the median? B+?


Yes, somewhere at the low end of B+ (for the 1L curve). 55-65% get a B+ or above, 35-45% get a B or below.

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby KingWolf72 » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:08 pm

FastRun wrote:
frasier wrote:What is the median? B+?


Yes, somewhere at the low end of B+ (for the 1L curve). 55-65% get a B+ or above, 35-45% get a B or below.


Are you out of the running for clerkships (either District or COA) if your first semester is at median? If you raise your gpa significantly the second semester and get good recs are you back in the ball game?

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby frasier » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:02 pm

FastRun wrote:
frasier wrote:What is the median? B+?


Yes, somewhere at the low end of B+ (for the 1L curve). 55-65% get a B+ or above, 35-45% get a B or below.


Any idea what the percentile is for A- average? I guess that's a 3.66

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby Bach-City » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:31 pm

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby FastRun » Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:48 pm

frasier wrote:Any idea what the percentile is for A- average? I guess that's a 3.66

For the curve in a particular class: Grades of A+, A, and A- are 25-30% of the grades issued. (There's a link to the document listing the 1L curve on the right side of the Lawnet page where you check your grades.)

For the GPA curve/class rank: This is probably more than you were asking for, but here goes. There are two conceptual ways to extrapolate from the grade curve for a given class to the GPA/class rank curve: (1) assume that grades are perfectly dependent on each other, or in other words that a person's grade in one class exactly predicts their GPA (you get the same grade in every class); or (2) assume that grades are perfectly independent of each other, or in other words that a person's grade in one class has no statistical relation to their GPA (grade assignments from one class to another are statistically unrelated). If grades were perfectly dependent variables, then a 3.67 GPA would put you in the GPA curve exactly where an A- would put you in a class curve (25-30th percentile). If grades were perfectly independent variables, then three A-'s in three fall 1L classes would put you in the top (30%*30%*30%)=2.7th percentile.

Obviously, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Both of the estimations above are probably so far from the truth that they provide no useful estimate. (Though, presuming that there is no inverse correlation between grade in any class and GPA, the estimates above are upper and lower bounds on where a 3.67 could possibly put you after three classes.)

Turning to information that's actually useful: The GPA cut-off for Stone honors is 3.41, and roughly 30% of the 1L class gets Stone. The cut-off for Kent honors (ignoring the whole "nothing lower than a B and more than half A's" thing) is 3.80, and roughly 3% of the 1L class gets Kent.

The
Bash-City wrote:old thread
linked above lists the percentiles that result from these two data points plus an assumption that the GPA distribution is normal, which is probably at least close to true. But keep in mind that while a GPA of 3.67 may put you in the top ~10% at the end of 1L year, it almost certainly doesn't put you that high right now with only three grades. The curve will spread out considerably after second semester, and a GPA above median is statistically more likely to go down than to stay the same or go up.

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby Bach-City » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:06 pm

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby dabigchina » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:47 pm

I believe Stone is closer to top 35-40%.

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby mathis1490 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:50 pm

Must be nice to have all of your grades back...

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FastRun
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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby FastRun » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:01 pm

dabigchina wrote:I believe Stone is closer to top 35-40%.


Could be. I don't really know where that old thread got their numbers for top 3% Kent and top 30% Stone. The law school doesn't publicly release numbers or a list of recipients as far as I've seen.

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FastRun
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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby FastRun » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:21 pm

Bach-City wrote:...reversion to the mean for GPAs.


Presuming that there is an element of grading which is unrelated to intelligence, study, and preparation (which there surely is, be it idiosyncratic professor preferences, luck in getting a prompt you know well, etc.), then for a given student, we would expect that a GPA based on 7 grades would be closer to the population mean than a GPA based on 3 grades. The consequence being that if your GPA is above the mean right now, and you asked me to bet on where it will be after next semester, I should bet "lower" and not "higher." That's just speaking statistically though, so while the analysis is at least a little bit right (because grades aren't deterministic), I don't have any data to say whether its only a little bit right or almost completely right. You may very well be correct that first semester grades are a pretty good predictor of second semester grades, and overall GPA tends to say the same. Conversely, first semester could be no predictor at all of second semester grades, or there could even be an inverse correlation (high first semester grades are correlated with low second semester grades). But, I suspect that the reality is closest to your hypothesis.

Your comment does also make me realize that part of what I said before is wrong:

fastrun wrote:The curve will spread out considerably after second semester, and a GPA above median is statistically more likely to go down than to stay the same or go up.


I'm pretty sure I still stand by the second clause, but the first clause is dead wrong. There's no reason to think that the GPA curve will change shape after second semester grades are added, because the grading curve for classes is the same. Actually, there's a small reason, and it's the opposite of what I implied before: the mean will skew a bit higher for 1Ls because we're now in an elective, which is graded on a more lenient curve.

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby FascinatedWanderer » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:22 pm

KingWolf72 wrote:
FastRun wrote:
frasier wrote:What is the median? B+?


Yes, somewhere at the low end of B+ (for the 1L curve). 55-65% get a B+ or above, 35-45% get a B or below.


Are you out of the running for clerkships (either District or COA) if your first semester is at median? If you raise your gpa significantly the second semester and get good recs are you back in the ball game?


You'll need more than one semester of strong grades for clerkships after a median fall 1L.

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby mathis1490 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:43 pm

Going crazy waiting for my last grade...can we get a new poll?

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby vorely » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:03 pm

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby Bearlyalive » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:48 pm

It's now been just a bit more than a year since I got my admission email. Crazy how much has changed.

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby Bearlyalive » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:23 pm

Woohoo, got my summer job offer! Staying in the city :D

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby mornincounselor » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:47 pm

Did anyone here have Crim Law with visiting professor Jennifer Laurin?

I would forever be in your debt if you could provide your insights, outline and or any practice exams.

Please PM me.

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Re: Columbia Law Class of 2019

Postby Bearlyalive » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:58 am

That was fun.


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