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Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:33 am
by PariSiamo
middlebear wrote:
PariSiamo wrote:
middlebear wrote:
PariSiamo wrote::lol: Reminds me for some reason of the South African who insisted he had a special friendship with his pet hippo... right until the point the hippo decided to clarify the power dynamic in their "relationship" and chomped him. Moral of the story, big scary animals make poor pets and even worse friends.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqKPswqyPrc


I'm thinking this could be THE solution to Russia's demographic crisis and rural exodus. Just teach the bear to drink vodka and watch crappy spinoffs of American sitcoms and you have the perfect replacement for the rural class.


...and we just started an international public policy think tank.


We are killing it with the power of nerdy humor. UChicago beckons...

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:35 am
by 03282016

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:36 am
by middlebear
Wahrheit wrote:
Wahrheit wrote:You guys, this is going to be a fun three years of hell.

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:39 am
by whereselizabeth
Not to bring down any fellow PI-ers but I just read this article today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/25/upsho ... 0002&abg=0

...so the Obama administration is proposing a PSLF cap of $57,000...if that goes through, then Chicago's LRAP is not quite as appealing :( I get what they're trying to do over the long term but I seriously doubt capping PSLF will encourage law schools to lower their prices. It seems more likely that lawyers will be discouraged from taking on public service jobs

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:51 am
by middlebear
whereselizabeth wrote:Not to bring down any fellow PI-ers but I just read this article today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/25/upsho ... 0002&abg=0

...so the Obama administration is proposing a PSLF cap of $57,000...if that goes through, then Chicago's LRAP is not quite as appealing :( I get what they're trying to do over the long term but I seriously doubt capping PSLF will encourage law schools to lower their prices. It seems more likely that lawyers will be discouraged from taking on public service jobs


Yeah, the idea of a cap (or even just one that's below 3 figures, geez) makes almost all LRAPs less appealing. So, way to incentivize us to help our fellow man. (Need to harness special interest legislative-blocking abilities on our behalf...)

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:25 am
by everything_bagel
whereselizabeth wrote:Not to bring down any fellow PI-ers but I just read this article today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/25/upsho ... 0002&abg=0

...so the Obama administration is proposing a PSLF cap of $57,000...if that goes through, then Chicago's LRAP is not quite as appealing :( I get what they're trying to do over the long term but I seriously doubt capping PSLF will encourage law schools to lower their prices. It seems more likely that lawyers will be discouraged from taking on public service jobs


This isn't new--it was in a proposed budget this spring, and tons of people freaked out about it; it wound up not happening (yet). There's a good TLS thread someone could dredge up if s/he weren't as lazy as I am. I don't think it makes all LRAPs unappealing, though...just those offered by schools that aren't wealthy enough to step into the gap if the federal cap is imposed retroactively. I've asked Chicago people about this and they are emphatic that they would come up with a stopgap measure (but others should ask too!). Similarly, YHS are all in-house. I wouldn't be so confident about a poorer school like Berkeley or GULC.

It's kind of interesting from a political economy perspective, right, because PI lawyers are a pretty firm constituency for Obama, but not a particularly appealing category to your average American voter. On some level they're right, I think: We (not to mention all the big law and big medicine people who get IBR, even if not PSLF) are way less entitled to financial assistance than your average community college student, and there is a dubious ponzi scheme aspect to the whole structure of LS fees and IBR. But the article linked above does an awesome job of pointing out how warped the whole structure is, and implicitly, I think, making it clear it would be a mistake to fix it with a stopgap measure that fell too hard on PI lawyers' laps. thanks for sharing it!

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:43 am
by Nothing but the Funk
everything_bagel wrote:
whereselizabeth wrote:Not to bring down any fellow PI-ers but I just read this article today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/25/upsho ... 0002&abg=0

...so the Obama administration is proposing a PSLF cap of $57,000...if that goes through, then Chicago's LRAP is not quite as appealing :( I get what they're trying to do over the long term but I seriously doubt capping PSLF will encourage law schools to lower their prices. It seems more likely that lawyers will be discouraged from taking on public service jobs


This isn't new--it was in a proposed budget this spring, and tons of people freaked out about it; it wound up not happening (yet). There's a good TLS thread someone could dredge up if s/he weren't as lazy as I am. I don't think it makes all LRAPs unappealing, though...just those offered by schools that aren't wealthy enough to step into the gap if the federal cap is imposed retroactively. I've asked Chicago people about this and they are emphatic that they would come up with a stopgap measure (but others should ask too!). Similarly, YHS are all in-house. I wouldn't be so confident about a poorer school like Berkeley or GULC.

It's kind of interesting from a political economy perspective, right, because PI lawyers are a pretty firm constituency for Obama, but not a particularly appealing category to your average American voter. On some level they're right, I think: We (not to mention all the big law and big medicine people who get IBR, even if not PSLF) are way less entitled to financial assistance than your average community college student, and there is a dubious ponzi scheme aspect to the whole structure of LS fees and IBR. But the article linked above does an awesome job of pointing out how warped the whole structure is, and implicitly, I think, making it clear it would be a mistake to fix it with a stopgap measure that fell too hard on PI lawyers' laps. thanks for sharing it!


Personally, I could see raising the years required for forgiveness, instead of of capping what can be forgiven. This seems more likely to reduce the amount of highly qualified candidates for public service jobs in the short run, for a chance at lowering high tuition in the long run. Especially at top schools where biglaw is an option this will result in even more people self-selecting into biglaw, at least long enough to pay down their debts.

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:12 pm
by whereselizabeth
bagel, who at Chicago did you talk to about this? I thought about doing the same, but wasn't sure if it was appropriate/who to approach. Regardless, thanks for the info!

And I agree with you about short run consequences, Funk. As if there wasn't enough pressure to go for BL already...

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:20 pm
by everything_bagel
whereselizabeth wrote:bagel, who at Chicago did you talk to about this? I thought about doing the same, but wasn't sure if it was appropriate/who to approach. Regardless, thanks for the info!

And I agree with you about short run consequences, Funk. As if there wasn't enough pressure to go for BL already...


I asked an adcom rep when I visited, and also asked Dean Perry at a recruitment event I went to. But I think asking anyone is good--just to keep it on their radar/make sure they know people are thinking about it. Who knows what the promises are worth but they are better than nothing!

I like your solution, Funk. (Although i know a lot of PI lawyers who wouldn't -- I think its pretty stressful to see the debt sitting there even if you know it's supposed to be paid for by someone else.) Here's hoping they consider other options if or when congress ever gets around to making budgets

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:38 pm
by 03282016

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:40 pm
by everything_bagel
Wahrheit wrote:Hey Bagel, anything you wanna share with the class? :)


I got a ruby you guys!!!

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Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:41 pm
by 03282016

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:43 pm
by everything_bagel
Wahrheit wrote:
everything_bagel wrote:
Wahrheit wrote:Hey Bagel, anything you wanna share with the class? :)


I got a ruby you guys!!!


<3

Does this mean you're set on Chicago?


short of a brain aneurysm yes

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:44 pm
by Mack.Hambleton
everything_bagel wrote:
Wahrheit wrote:Hey Bagel, anything you wanna share with the class? :)


I got a ruby you guys!!!


What admit wave were you in, first or second?

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:47 pm
by xylocarp
omg, congratulations!!!!!

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:48 pm
by everything_bagel
Mack.Hambleton wrote:What admit wave were you in, first or second?


January wave

thanks all!!

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:26 pm
by nejlas
Congrats!! I'm so happy for you!

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:58 pm
by LawBron James
everything_bagel wrote:
Wahrheit wrote:Hey Bagel, anything you wanna share with the class? :)


I got a ruby you guys!!!

Congratulations, that's amazing. Doesn't get much better than that..

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:43 am
by middlebear
everything_bagel wrote:
Wahrheit wrote:
everything_bagel wrote:
Wahrheit wrote:Hey Bagel, anything you wanna share with the class? :)


I got a ruby you guys!!!


<3

Does this mean you're set on Chicago?


short of a brain aneurysm yes


You're a boss.

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:51 pm
by cc78
Well, got the admit stuff in the mail today. Have to say the most interesting thing they included was the Glass Menagerie...Not sure why they put it in there though...

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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:56 pm
by 03282016

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:12 pm
by cc78
Yes, I am going to look through there hoping I can find at least one or two other old heads.

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:20 pm
by Mack.Hambleton
cc78 wrote:Well, got the admit stuff in the mail today. Have to say the most interesting thing they included was the Glass Menagerie...Not sure why they put it in there though...


Got the mail today too, can confirm it is not made out of glass

Re: The University of Chicago Law School Class of 2018

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:19 pm
by LawBron James
I just looked up menagerie, and it apparently means "a collection of wild animals kept in captivity for exhibition." :lol:

In other news this is the first time I've actually sat down and read through all the admitted students materials so I guess that means I'm excited about this place.

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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:35 pm
by 03282016