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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby WeeBey » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:36 am

CFC1524 wrote:10% mark is 3.895, about a full point higher than previous years. Interested to see if the median jumped as well, or if this more a result of one too many A+'s in the smaller class sizes. Does the registrar release other marks besides the the top 10%?


lol wow

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Derp2016 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:10 am

Just called and asked - Dean's List cutoff was 3.625.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby runthetrap1990 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:02 pm

Derp2016 wrote:Just called and asked - Dean's List cutoff was 3.625.


That's pretty consistent with last year when our 10% cut off was 3.79. If that is the case, then I think it may be fair to say that the curve likely looks bimodal. Or pretty close to it.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby WeeBey » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:13 pm

runthetrap1990 wrote:
Derp2016 wrote:Just called and asked - Dean's List cutoff was 3.625.


That's pretty consistent with last year when our 10% cut off was 3.79. If that is the case, then I think it may be fair to say that the curve likely looks bimodal. Or pretty close to it.


So basically instead of everyone getting a B+, a bunch got fucked with Bs and B-'s? Ouch.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Jakobe » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:16 pm

I thought of it more as the school gives out this % of As, in past years, most students in the top 10% got some B+s and A-s mixed in with their As, bringing their overall GPA down. However, its possible that this year, the top 10% of students just got mostly all As instead of mixing it with lower grades.

So, I don't necessarily think that it is required that more people got Bs and B-s, but that students which would normally get a couple As mixed in with their more median grades just didn't get those As this year.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby CFC1524 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:53 pm

Yea, I doubt more B's / B-'s were given out. Assuming top 30 and median are similar to previous years, then I'd guess the top 10% jumped because more A's / A+'s were given out. Also probably has something to do with smaller class sizes, if only because that's one of the more obvious changing variables between our class and previous ones.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Derp2016 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:40 pm

Anyone know if they'll tell you the median if you ask?

Edit: I just called and asked, but looks like they couldn't say. They said that the mean is typically 3.35 like always and that the acceptable range is 3.2-3.5 but that it tends to sway a little bit more towards the 3.5 end. So essentially I didn't find out anything new.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby WeeBey » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:55 pm

Aside from self-esteem, do changes in the median/30%/10%/5% matter? It's not like firms interview the whole class or that the jump is so drastic that a firm will interview 60 students with a 3.8+. Won't firms just go by the same GPA targets/cut-offs as previous years?

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Babum » Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:17 pm

WeeBey wrote:Aside from self-esteem, do changes in the median/30%/10%/5% matter? It's not like firms interview the whole class or that the jump is so drastic that a firm will interview 60 students with a 3.8+. Won't firms just go by the same GPA targets/cut-offs as previous years?


Because it is a bidding system, firms won't actually know your GPA until the school submits your resume to them (way after you already have an interview with them). The actual selection happens (1) when students choose firms that are closer to their GPA and (2) when the interviewers chooses who to CB after the initial interview. That's for the regular AJF bidding. Outside of that, they probably follow previous year's trends.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby deepseapartners » Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:48 pm

WeeBey wrote:Aside from self-esteem, do changes in the median/30%/10%/5% matter? It's not like firms interview the whole class or that the jump is so drastic that a firm will interview 60 students with a 3.8+. Won't firms just go by the same GPA targets/cut-offs as previous years?

The biggest difference will that, if firms continue to hire the relative same number of Cornell SAs, the GPA ranges for callbacks those firms will be slightly misleading. If 40 people screen with, e.g., S&C (relatively GPA-conscious), and they plan on calling back 20, then the GPA needed to get a callback will be misleading.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Gkmc » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:37 pm

Looks like they amended the grading policy - the 10% cutoff for class of 2018 is now down to 3.833.

https://support.law.cornell.edu/student ... y_2016.pdf

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Lavitz » Mon Jan 11, 2016 5:50 pm

Gkmc wrote:Looks like they amended the grading policy - the 10% cutoff for class of 2018 is now down to 3.833.

https://support.law.cornell.edu/student ... y_2016.pdf

lol wat

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby runthetrap1990 » Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:45 pm

Lavitz wrote:
Gkmc wrote:Looks like they amended the grading policy - the 10% cutoff for class of 2018 is now down to 3.833.

https://support.law.cornell.edu/student ... y_2016.pdf

lol wat



I wonder if what was previously reported was the 5% mark.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Jakobe » Mon Jan 11, 2016 7:08 pm

Well I'm not going to complain about the reduction, that original cutoff was rough.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby smiles123 » Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:36 pm

The new cutoff is still pretty rough in my opinion

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Indifference » Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:58 pm

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Lavitz » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:43 pm

mujiali wrote:Random Q: anyone taken con law with Aziz Rana or have access to an outline? He's visiting this semester and I can't find anything.

I took him and I've got access to tons of stuff. PM me.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby smiles123 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:19 am

Any supplement recommendations for Ohlin or Underkuffler?

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby LundWashington » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:59 pm

smiles123 wrote:Any supplement recommendations for Ohlin or Underkuffler?


For Ohlin, Understanding Criminal Law by Joshua Dressler is probably the best. For Underkuffler, I liked the Gilberts for general stuff and Estates and Land and Future Interests by Linda Edwards for practicing future interests. I know people who liked Understanding Property Law by John Sprankling as well.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby hodzdoh » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:43 pm

LundWashington wrote:
smiles123 wrote:Any supplement recommendations for Ohlin or Underkuffler?


For Ohlin, Understanding Criminal Law by Joshua Dressler is probably the best. For Underkuffler, I liked the Gilberts for general stuff and Estates and Land and Future Interests by Linda Edwards for practicing future interests. I know people who liked Understanding Property Law by John Sprankling as well.


hmm what about if you have Colb? she's using Ohlin's textbook which just got published recently.. Dressler supp still viable?

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Lavitz » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:06 pm

hodzdoh wrote:
LundWashington wrote:
smiles123 wrote:Any supplement recommendations for Ohlin or Underkuffler?


For Ohlin, Understanding Criminal Law by Joshua Dressler is probably the best. For Underkuffler, I liked the Gilberts for general stuff and Estates and Land and Future Interests by Linda Edwards for practicing future interests. I know people who liked Understanding Property Law by John Sprankling as well.


hmm what about if you have Colb? she's using Ohlin's textbook which just got published recently.. Dressler supp still viable?

Probably. I just looked at the table of contents for Ohlin's book and it seems more holistic, with less of an emphasis on the distinction between the MPC and common law, but I imagine it will still be important and it's not like there's a credited supp designed to go with Ohlin's book.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby runthetrap1990 » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:20 pm

hodzdoh wrote:hmm what about if you have Colb? she's using Ohlin's textbook which just got published recently.. Dressler supp still viable?


Is Colb's exam all multiple choice or is she doing essays and stuff?

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby hodzdoh » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:17 am

Lavitz wrote:
hodzdoh wrote:
LundWashington wrote:
smiles123 wrote:Any supplement recommendations for Ohlin or Underkuffler?


For Ohlin, Understanding Criminal Law by Joshua Dressler is probably the best. For Underkuffler, I liked the Gilberts for general stuff and Estates and Land and Future Interests by Linda Edwards for practicing future interests. I know people who liked Understanding Property Law by John Sprankling as well.


hmm what about if you have Colb? she's using Ohlin's textbook which just got published recently.. Dressler supp still viable?

Probably. I just looked at the table of contents for Ohlin's book and it seems more holistic, with less of an emphasis on the distinction between the MPC and common law, but I imagine it will still be important and it's not like there's a credited supp designed to go with Ohlin's book.


hmm.. okay i think ill wait it out a bit more and then check the supp and see how helpful it is

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby hodzdoh » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:20 am

runthetrap1990 wrote:
hodzdoh wrote:hmm what about if you have Colb? she's using Ohlin's textbook which just got published recently.. Dressler supp still viable?


Is Colb's exam all multiple choice or is she doing essays and stuff?


Im pretty confident she said it was half and half..
Anyone from section B/D wanna chime in?

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby runthetrap1990 » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:50 am

hodzdoh wrote:
runthetrap1990 wrote:
hodzdoh wrote:hmm what about if you have Colb? she's using Ohlin's textbook which just got published recently.. Dressler supp still viable?


Is Colb's exam all multiple choice or is she doing essays and stuff?


Im pretty confident she said it was half and half..
Anyone from section B/D wanna chime in?


would suggest two things for her MC portion: 1) jot down any relevant policy discussions she has in class, including student input that she ends up putting on the board, 2) get a Q&A supplement and maybe a Siegel's multiple choice book.

Like Lavitz said, I still think Dressler's hornbook is good to have. That being said, i guess wait and see how she teaches the class.




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