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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby future!jd12 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:41 pm

Any upperclassmen have supplement recommendations for crim law w/ Garvey and property w/ Alexander? I have given up on Civ Pro.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby deepseapartners » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:34 pm

Garvey will give you a treatise recommendation that is pretty solid, but you don't really need a supplement for that class as much as a really good self-made outline to teach yourself the differences between the Model Penal Code and the common-law approach.

None of the 2Ls had Alexander, so can't comment on her in particular, but the Moinyhan hornbook was so much better than whatever drivel was in that typo-ridden textbook. Also, flash-card that class, there are a lot of weird terms you should try and learn early on!

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby mt2165 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:56 pm

future!jd12 wrote:Any upperclassmen have supplement recommendations for crim law w/ Garvey and property w/ Alexander? I have given up on Civ Pro.


Get the criminal law black letter outline by Dressler. Memorize it. Profit.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Lavitz » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:42 am

Understanding Property by Sprankling
Understanding Criminal Law by Dressler
???
Profit

Source: Actually had Alexander. And Garvey. Outline to memorize difference between MPC and CL is definitely key though.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby runthetrap1990 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:04 pm

future!jd12 wrote:Any upperclassmen have supplement recommendations for crim law w/ Garvey and property w/ Alexander? I have given up on Civ Pro.



For Garvey:
1) Understanding Crim Law by Dressler (as previously mentioned by posters above)
2) Criminal Law Black Letter Outline by Dressler
3) Delaney Crim Law
4) Criminal Law Model Answers and Outstanding Problems


Also, i can't stress this enough, go see him at his office. He's great in office hours for specific questions.


ETA: Never had Alexander, so I have no clue about his exam, but I found this book to be particularly awesome for the whole thing about Present and Future estates http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1422498743/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687522&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=1454825103&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1BQNTKQ0RCCV70Q2BDA3

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby runinthefront » Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:16 pm

clshopeful wrote:Any idea on transfer statistics? Cornell doesn't accept many... I think so they don't have to release the GPA info to the 509.... But anyway, do you know transfers that are now at cornell, and if so, do you know their last law school and their GPA??



Cornell accepting < 5 transfers every year because the school almost certainly has nothing to do with not wanting to release GPA info on the 509s. I think there were only two this year.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Pragmatic Gun » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:21 pm

Good evening guys,

Would the upperclassmen recommend any supplements for

    CrimLaw with Colb
    Property with Torres
or should I just look at the list provided by Lavitz?

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Lavitz » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:20 pm

Pragmatic Gun wrote:Good evening guys,

Would the upperclassmen recommend any supplements for

    CrimLaw with Colb
    Property with Torres
or should I just look at the list provided by Lavitz?

Hard to say since Colb has never taught CrimLaw and Torres has never taught Property (at least recently and at Cornell).

I'm assuming Colb will use the Dressler casebook. She used Dressler for Criminal Procedure, and Dressler's Understanding CrimPro hornbook worked great for that. So the Understanding CrimLaw hornbook by Dressler should still be TCR. If she uses an all multiple choice exam like she does for Evidence and CrimPro, then maybe the Model Problems and Outstanding Answers book may be less useful for her than for Garvey, but probably still helpful.

Torres is a wildcard. I think Alexander and Underkuffler had very different approaches. Alexander touched on takings for 2 days at the end of the semester, whereas I hear Underkuffler was obsessed with takings. All the advice I've seen given for Underkuffler makes no sense for Alexander, and vice versa. You may want to just wait and see what his syllabus looks like and then ask upperclassmen if it's most similar to Alexander or Underkuffler (or Sherwin).

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby future!jd12 » Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:26 pm

Are grades supposed to be released tomorrow? I can't find the date anywhere. I want to start sending out job apps but if grades are being released soon I may as well wait so I don't have to send out updated resumes.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby runthetrap1990 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:23 am

future!jd12 wrote:Are grades supposed to be released tomorrow? I can't find the date anywhere. I want to start sending out job apps but if grades are being released soon I may as well wait so I don't have to send out updated resumes.


I think it said somewhere that it was on the 7th this year, and I remember last year it came out on the 7th.

however, history has shown that grades may come out earlier.

ETA: i doubt they get released tomorrow, but Tuesday is a possibility. who really knows though.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Lavitz » Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:32 am

runthetrap1990 wrote:
future!jd12 wrote:Are grades supposed to be released tomorrow? I can't find the date anywhere. I want to start sending out job apps but if grades are being released soon I may as well wait so I don't have to send out updated resumes.


I think it said somewhere that it was on the 7th this year, and I remember last year it came out on the 7th.

however, history has shown that grades may come out earlier.

ETA: i doubt they get released tomorrow, but Tuesday is a possibility. who really knows though.

Your analysis is weird. Dates are irrelevant because the days of the week are different every year.

Last year it came out on the 7th, but that was a Wednesday. Scoops said Thursday, and they came out a day earlier than the date in Scoops. That happened both semesters last year.

This year, Scoops again says Thursday (the 7th). Hence I predict Wednesday, unless they're even faster than usual and they come out on Tuesday.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby albinoshadow » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:09 pm

Grades were posted on student center!

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby future!jd12 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:17 pm

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Lavitz » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:37 pm

PM for counseling.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Lavitz » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:38 pm

future!jd12 wrote:where would a 3.71 land someone transfer-wise, would NYU/Columbia or even Harvard be possible?

NYU and Columbia both possible. Harvard is a stretch.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby smiles123 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:59 pm

Anyone know what's typically the median after first semester?

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby runthetrap1990 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:17 pm

smiles123 wrote:Anyone know what's typically the median after first semester?


Something under 3.5, given the grading policy. I've seen the 3.45-3.5 range thrown around

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby runthetrap1990 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:18 pm

Lavitz wrote:PM for counseling.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby runinthefront » Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:21 pm

future!jd12 wrote:where would a 3.71 land someone transfer-wise, would NYU/Columbia or even Harvard be possible?


lock at NYU (seriously, median stands pretty damn good chances at NYU), good shot at Columbia. You're almost certainly somewhere between top 15-25% right now (i would guess top 20%), and not anywhere near striking distance at H, assuming you kept the exact same GPA second semester. I wouldn't focus on transferring right now, though. I would focus on maintaining/increasing grades, and rocking your second semester. Congratulations on your grades!!

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby runinthefront » Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:24 pm

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby CFC1524 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:41 pm

10% mark is 3.895, about a full point higher than previous years. Interested to see if the median jumped as well, or if this more a result of one too many A+'s in the smaller class sizes. Does the registrar release other marks besides the the top 10%?

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby runthetrap1990 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:51 pm

CFC1524 wrote:10% mark is 3.895, about a full point higher than previous years. Interested to see if the median jumped as well, or if this more a result of one too many A+'s in the smaller class sizes. Does the registrar release other marks besides the the top 10%?


They release a 5% and 10% mark officially after 2 semesters. You can call and they'll tell you the dean's list cut off, I believe.

That 10% cutoff is insane though.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby smiles123 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:06 pm

When does one find out if they've made dean's list?

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby runthetrap1990 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:08 pm

smiles123 wrote:When does one find out if they've made dean's list?


Check your unofficial transcript. It will denote whether or not you made dean's list.

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Re: Cornell Class of 2018

Postby Lavitz » Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:26 pm

runthetrap1990 wrote:
smiles123 wrote:When does one find out if they've made dean's list?


Check your unofficial transcript. It will denote whether or not you made dean's list.

It's not going to be on there yet.




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