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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby MikeSpivey » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:01 pm

Maybe the gallant Romothesavior finally killed Smaug who, as everyone knows, is laired up on a pile of gold and treasure in the remains of the old Mudd Hall...

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby MikeSpivey » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:16 pm

Kidding aside (I kid because the amount of inquiry I have received about this is surprising to me). There are three likely scenarios all which involve around my speculatiopn that they received a capital injection.

1. They got a great deal of money BACK from people they admitted who are now going to the T14 schools who seem to be moving rapidly in WL activity. I tend to follow the schools where my clients are deciding on and, perhaps oddly, I do not have a critical mass at Wash U so you guys might know more than me. The amount they are apparently giving out has me not very confident in theory (1), because the amount you get back is a pretty predictable equation based on numbers Wash U has. In other words, no matter how much admissions numbers are down, you have a constant equation and thus how much you can give early is a pretty easy formula to follow and you don't get this much back. But who knows...again some people here may better be able to illuminate this hypothesis.

2. Some heavy hitting alum said "surprise surprise here is a huge sum of money!" I am not really sold on this one, either,because this money usually has restrictions and is spread out. But again, who knows...

3. Central University said "here you go, one time influx of money spend how you want." This is where I am leaning based on the fact I have known other schools to do this and I could highly likely see this kind of unrestricted money going exactly towards this.

The bottom line in that I promise you they are aware of their budget and this move is a lot more logical than some people seem to think it is. Their Dean, Kent Syverud, is very driven, passionate, and dedicated about helping students -- more than anyone I have seen in Higher Education. He has a banner or plaque or something of sorts in his office (or did) that says "...and how does this help students?" So I can easily see a sum of money going towards students versus a bunch of employee of the month silly free parking spaces (which I have seen at other law schools I kid not).

I have no idea, but it was fun to speculate on for a short bit. Indeed, it was almost as fun as when I went to our Get Smart like underground bunker that one time after mashing in a bunch of passcodes and retinal scans simultaneously with Mark Wrighton @Dolphine.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby sublime » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:49 pm

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby sasquatchsam » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:03 am

I just wanted to chime in and, like so many previous posters, thank you for doing this. The advice I have read on this thread has been invaluable. There are a couple of questions I have though (and I apologize if they have already been asked and answered but I don't recall seeing them anywhere on here yet).

1. How much does UG matter in admissions? More specifically, will I be hurt by the fact that I went to a regional UG and majored in criminal justice? I am hoping that my 3.9x GPA will nullify any negative impact.


2. I was home-schooled K-12. Is this something I should put in a diversity statement or will it be frowned upon in academia?
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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby jselson » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:13 pm

sasquatchsam wrote:I just wanted to chime in and, like so many previous posters, thank you for doing this. The advice I have read on this thread has been invaluable. There are a couple of questions I have though (and I apologize if they have already been asked and answered but I don't recall seeing them anywhere on here yet).

1. How much does UG matter in admissions? More specifically, will I be hurt by the fact that I went to Boise State and majored in criminal justice? I am hoping that my 3.96 GPA will nullify any negative impact.
a. Is it bad to out myself on these forums?

2. I was home-schooled K-12. Is this something I should put in a diversity statement or will it be frowned upon in academia?


I'm not Spivey, but AFAIK on #1, UG school doesn't hurt, although a there are a few Ivies and Tech equivalents where it can help, and that Criminal Justice seems to be one of the majors that can actually hurt, although the major is correlated with lower LSAT scores in general, so that may be the real culprit. But I would think a 3.96 would be looked at favorably almost no matter what.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby Lavitz » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:06 pm

sasquatchsam wrote:1. How much does UG matter in admissions? More specifically, will I be hurt by the fact that I went to Boise State and majored in criminal justice? I am hoping that my 3.96 GPA will nullify any negative impact.
a. Is it bad to out myself on these forums?

2. I was home-schooled K-12. Is this something I should put in a diversity statement or will it be frowned upon in academia?

I'm also not Spivey but there was someone this cycle with a very similar app. PM'd you about it.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby Clearly » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:36 pm

sasquatchsam wrote:I just wanted to chime in and, like so many previous posters, thank you for doing this. The advice I have read on this thread has been invaluable. There are a couple of questions I have though (and I apologize if they have already been asked and answered but I don't recall seeing them anywhere on here yet).

1. How much does UG matter in admissions? More specifically, will I be hurt by the fact that I went to Boise State and majored in criminal justice? I am hoping that my 3.96 GPA will nullify any negative impact.
a. Is it bad to out myself on these forums?

2. I was home-schooled K-12. Is this something I should put in a diversity statement or will it be frowned upon in academia?

you taken the lsat?

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby sasquatchsam » Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:55 pm

Clearlynotstefan wrote: you taken the lsat?


Just took it June 10th. Hoping for mid 170's but that might be wishful thinking.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby MikeSpivey » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:15 pm

sasquatchsam wrote:I just wanted to chime in and, like so many previous posters, thank you for doing this. The advice I have read on this thread has been invaluable. There are a couple of questions I have though (and I apologize if they have already been asked and answered but I don't recall seeing them anywhere on here yet).

1. How much does UG matter in admissions? More specifically, will I be hurt by the fact that I went to Boise State and majored in criminal justice? I am hoping that my 3.96 GPA will nullify any negative impact.
a. Is it bad to out myself on these forums?

2. I was home-schooled K-12. Is this something I should put in a diversity statement or will it be frowned upon in academia?


re (1) it won't hurt you because your GPA is outstanding. There are a very small number fo schools where you get a bump, but outside of that, this is a relatively insignificant consideration relative to your uGPA.

(a) Yes

re (2) Put it. Also enjoy your high SLAT score (me experience is that applicants who were home-schooled often score in the upper percentiles on the LSAT.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby MikeSpivey » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:26 am

Cylonhunter wrote:Thank you for taking questions! I'm a non-traditional URM that is currently waitlisted at my first choice school. My LSAC GPA is very poor (sub 3.0) and my LSAT score is at their 75 percentile. I have two questions related to my waitlisted application.

1. I am not happy with my current GPA addendum, would it make sense to swap it out for a new one?

2. Would submitting a diversity statement help my application at this juncture? I did not submit a diversity statement with my original application.


Clyon,

I don't think I answered this, apologies.

1. I would not. It may seem like you are changing your story or fickle. Why are you unhappy with it?

2. Yes! If nothing else it will make you seem more of a yield candidate.

Best,

Mike

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby MikeSpivey » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:57 pm

Apologies if I have been a bit slow responding on here, I have been busy stealing applicant DATA:

http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/

*disclosure, it wasn't really stolen, it was shared to me. But stolen sounds cool.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby MikeSpivey » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:35 pm

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby littlegiant » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:25 pm

I was curious what you think things will look like this next admissions cycle (if the data is not there to make an educated judgement, no problem I'll check back later)? Medians are dropping, high LSATs are becoming scarce, and after the late WL activity this past cycle who knows.

I will be applying this next cycle with >75per GPA and a <25per LSAT at almost every top school (probably going to retake in Oct., felt pretty good about June but wasnt PT'ing very high), how do you think reverse splitters will fare this next cycle with all the shifting dynamics? Is it reasonable to shoot higher than what the history might predict?

Any thoughts are appreciated
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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby LRGhost » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:48 pm

Reverse splitters are killing it this WL season fwiw.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby za51 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:31 pm

I made a thread about this, but I haven't been getting many responses. I didn't really find a definitive answer in a forum and google search either. There doesn't seem to be much info on this out there. I really hope you can help.

This is my question: How much does employment type matter for law school and beyond? If I have the option, for instance, of being a biglaw (T10) paralegal for 2 years or volunteering at a not-for-profit PI legal organization for a year or two, what is more beneficial to me in terms of 1. Admissions 2. Job Prospects (both summer associate and after law school)?

To make the question more personal: I have no paid office experience (all my work is non-legal public interest). I'm interested in PI work after law school, but I assume that having biglaw paralegal on my resume would give me more flexibility, because it would tell employers--both PI and otherwise--"this person is willing and able to work 75 hours a week, so he probably won't have any problems at this position." Is this a correct assumption? Conversely, I don't know what volunteer work might say if I eventually decide to pursue a private-sector job. But what would law schools think if I write my PS on PI and my WE is in biglaw?

I understand the question goes beyond a basic admissions question and into career stuff. So I apologize if this is not the kind of question you want. I'm asking you, though, because as a former admissions officer, you were in the business of perceiving applicants--and my question is basically about how things "look" :P

At any rate, thanks for answering all these other questions--lots of useful info in here!

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby MikeSpivey » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:21 pm

littlegiant wrote:I was curious what you think things will look like this next admissions cycle (if the data is not there to make an educated judgement, no problem I'll check back later)? Medians are dropping, high LSATs are becoming scarce, and after the late WL activity this past cycle who knows.

I will be applying this next cycle with >75per GPA and a <25per LSAT at almost every top school (probably going to retake in Oct., felt pretty good about June but wasnt PT'ing very high), how do you think reverse splitters will fare this next cycle with all the shifting dynamics? Is it reasonable to shoot higher than what the history might predict?

Any thoughts are appreciated

lttlegiant.

In any "down" year reverse splitters tend to do well. If next year is "down" (I have seen mixed signals) I think you will do well --given the few bits of data I have. Down defined will be number of applicants with gpa's above a given schools median/75th less than last year, for you.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby MikeSpivey » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:23 pm

za51 wrote:I made a thread about this, but I haven't been getting many responses. I didn't really find a definitive answer in a forum and google search either. There doesn't seem to be much info on this out there. I really hope you can help.

This is my question: How much does employment type matter for law school and beyond? If I have the option, for instance, of being a biglaw (T10) paralegal for 2 years or volunteering at a not-for-profit PI legal organization for a year or two, what is more beneficial to me in terms of 1. Admissions 2. Job Prospects (both summer associate and after law school)?

To make the question more personal: I have no paid office experience (all my work is non-legal public interest). I'm interested in PI work after law school, but I assume that having biglaw paralegal on my resume would give me more flexibility, because it would tell employers--both PI and otherwise--"this person is willing and able to work 75 hours a week, so he probably won't have any problems at this position." Is this a correct assumption? Conversely, I don't know what volunteer work might say if I eventually decide to pursue a private-sector job. But what would law schools think if I write my PS on PI and my WE is in biglaw?

I understand the question goes beyond a basic admissions question and into career stuff. So I apologize if this is not the kind of question you want. I'm asking you, though, because as a former admissions officer, you were in the business of perceiving applicants--and my question is basically about how things "look" :P

At any rate, thanks for answering all these other questions--lots of useful info in here!


za, I am pretty sure I've answered those questions here so search through and let me know if you don't find it and I'll attack it. Cool?

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby MikeSpivey » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:40 pm

I'm sure this rumor is abounding already but June LSAT should be released today.

Also, I should be releasing more data that only admissions deans get. Ok, technically admissions deans and me :)

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby Dolphine » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:50 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:I'm sure this rumor is abounding already but June LSAT should be released today.

Also, I should be releasing more data that only admissions deans get. Ok, technically admissions deans and me :)

Any clue how many LSATs were administered? It's probably the first real indication we'll have on how next year's cycle will be.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby MikeSpivey » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:58 pm

June 2013 LSAT curve

http://i.imgur.com/spcpRL5.png

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby MikeSpivey » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:02 pm

Dolphine wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:I'm sure this rumor is abounding already but June LSAT should be released today.

Also, I should be releasing more data that only admissions deans get. Ok, technically admissions deans and me :)

Any clue how many LSATs were administered? It's probably the first real indication we'll have on how next year's cycle will be.


I put in an email asking.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby MikeSpivey » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:18 pm

LSAC has not posted test volume for June 2013, including on their super secret protected page. I will break it when they do, unless they start hating me.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby nabil6975 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:25 pm

I received my LSAT result at 142, my GPA 3.5+ , what law school do you think would be appropriate to my results and higher and better job prospect upon graduation.

thank you for your help,

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby MikeSpivey » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:33 am

Everyone:

If it is helpful, I will do an online admissions chat. I guess next week this is a bad one for me and likely everyone with the 4th coming up. I learned years ago as an assistant dean with 1000 students that this is crazy to ask...BUT...which day works best for everyone.

Also, if this is just a patently undesirable, idea let me know too.

Thanks,

Mike

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officer

Postby za51 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:11 pm

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