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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby anonanon0010 » Mon Feb 22, 2016 2:28 am

Hi there,

thanks a lot for your generous responses! So here's my case: I discovered two minor mistakes in my resume/working experience part in my app after already getting admitted. So I corrected the first one like half a month ago( a very small date discrepancy, like the end date should be at the end of Feb but I mistakenly put Mar in the app becuz I always remembered myself quitting at beginning of March) and got it corrected.

However just days ago, I found another small error. So I had a job specialization(I don't even consider it a a promotion) during my experience at one company, but I forgot to put my position before this specialization into the employment history. (It is like it's actually Mar - Oct as AA, Nov - Dec as XXX specialist; but I put March - Dec as XXX specialist on my app). I wrote to the admissions again trying to get this info correct and told them that it would actually be better to just put a general job functions title on my app to reflect my job in this whole period to avoid any possible trouble in future checks( The job change is so minor that I don't think I should put two entries on my resume/app for it and I just want to aovid date/position discrepancies possible in C&F checks. Apparently, all those C&F stuffs are getting to me). but this time, instead of telling me "we will update this for you" the adcomm told me " will share with the committee and if there's any issues/concerns, I will reply you back".

I got scared by the email as I didn't expect this to be sth even worth to be reported to the admission committee after a decision has already been made. This is an honest mistake and I swear to god that I didn't mean to lie when filing out my apps. I am just afraid that they will mark me as "suspicious" since I kept making those small changes to my apps and rescind my offer for being "suspicious".

So here's my question: Do you think my amendments after acceptance would lead them to rescind my offer/scholarship?

Second question: What is the general procedure/practice of handling amendments after acceptance at the admission office? In the case that such amendments are brought to the committee, does the committee decide whether the amendments are acceptable right away, or do the amendments just wait in line with all those applications that haven't been reviewed yet? ( I haven't been contacted again since last week and I would love to assume that this means I am fine; but I am still worried that it is just becuz they haven't even review the amendments yet.maybe sometime later, they will suddenly tell me that they want to do sth with my offer.)

Thanks a lot for your reply in advance!

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby DerekMeeker » Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:27 pm

Pianoolong wrote:Not sure if this has been covered...

What is the consensus on asking the admissions office to replace some part of your application (essays/resume) with a corrected or "improved" version because you discovered a typo, error, or some kind of non-ideality after submitting it? I imagine it's not a good idea after going complete, but what about before? Will an administrative assistant simply swap it out for you before it goes under review, or will it only get added to your file? In the latter case, will people on the admissions committee who see both think it's sloppy/unprofessional? Thanks!


Well, first know that some schools will not allow you to submit an updated essay or resume once you've applied. Those that do usually add the new document to your file along with your correspondence - they don't replace it. If we're talking about a minor typo that they may not even catch, I'd say it's not worth drawing attention to it. But if it's a pretty obvious error, I'd update. They will at least appreciate that you caught the mistake, owned up to it, and corrected it.

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:30 pm

We should know 204 secrets a day early this year. Just an fyi. We will start tweeting the second we do :)

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby DerekMeeker » Wed Feb 24, 2016 3:41 pm

anonanon0010 wrote:Hi there,

thanks a lot for your generous responses! So here's my case: I discovered two minor mistakes in my resume/working experience part in my app after already getting admitted. So I corrected the first one like half a month ago( a very small date discrepancy, like the end date should be at the end of Feb but I mistakenly put Mar in the app becuz I always remembered myself quitting at beginning of March) and got it corrected.

However just days ago, I found another small error. So I had a job specialization(I don't even consider it a a promotion) during my experience at one company, but I forgot to put my position before this specialization into the employment history. (It is like it's actually Mar - Oct as AA, Nov - Dec as XXX specialist; but I put March - Dec as XXX specialist on my app). I wrote to the admissions again trying to get this info correct and told them that it would actually be better to just put a general job functions title on my app to reflect my job in this whole period to avoid any possible trouble in future checks( The job change is so minor that I don't think I should put two entries on my resume/app for it and I just want to aovid date/position discrepancies possible in C&F checks. Apparently, all those C&F stuffs are getting to me). but this time, instead of telling me "we will update this for you" the adcomm told me " will share with the committee and if there's any issues/concerns, I will reply you back".

I got scared by the email as I didn't expect this to be sth even worth to be reported to the admission committee after a decision has already been made. This is an honest mistake and I swear to god that I didn't mean to lie when filing out my apps. I am just afraid that they will mark me as "suspicious" since I kept making those small changes to my apps and rescind my offer for being "suspicious".

So here's my question: Do you think my amendments after acceptance would lead them to rescind my offer/scholarship?

Second question: What is the general procedure/practice of handling amendments after acceptance at the admission office? In the case that such amendments are brought to the committee, does the committee decide whether the amendments are acceptable right away, or do the amendments just wait in line with all those applications that haven't been reviewed yet? ( I haven't been contacted again since last week and I would love to assume that this means I am fine; but I am still worried that it is just becuz they haven't even review the amendments yet.maybe sometime later, they will suddenly tell me that they want to do sth with my offer.)

Thanks a lot for your reply in advance!


Hi there. I don't think the minor discrepancy regarding your change in your job title/dates is going to be an issue. With regard to the process for handling application amendments, a more serious discrepancy would likely go before the full admissions committee and could take some time. In any case, if there is some sort of skepticism or question on their part on any matter, I think they would communicate with you quite promptly to at least apprise you of the status. I just can't imagine that for something of this nature they would not communicate with you or ask for additional information, and then a few months down the road rescind your offer.

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby 171applicant » Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:06 pm

I have a quick school specific question. I just found out that I can receive in state residency for Virginia and I have already been accepted into UVA Law, one of my top choices. I originally applied as an out of state applicant. I've heard that in state residency plays a large role in UVA's admissions process but I have no idea if it effects the scholarship process at all. Since I may be competitive for merit scholarships, would it be worth reaching out to the financial aid office to inform them that I received in state status?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:06 pm

One quick thing I wanted to drop in here. Don't forget we did an hour webinar/podcast whatever it is called with 7Sage and answered a bunch of law school admissions questions -- both for those applying next year and those still in the process --- recorded here:

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/one-ho ... ns-advice/

Plus I have smooth, melodic voice. I hope some of these really help!

Mike

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Sat Feb 27, 2016 10:14 am

171applicant wrote:I have a quick school specific question. I just found out that I can receive in state residency for Virginia and I have already been accepted into UVA Law, one of my top choices. I originally applied as an out of state applicant. I've heard that in state residency plays a large role in UVA's admissions process but I have no idea if it effects the scholarship process at all. Since I may be competitive for merit scholarships, would it be worth reaching out to the financial aid office to inform them that I received in state status?

Thanks in advance


You will want to regardless. There may be a strategy on timing of said outreach but we can't really give school specific information out. Just read between the lines :)

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby Shib26 » Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:43 pm

I think I know the answer to this question but thought I'd ask an expert just in case. I applied with my December score and retook in February. I never specifically asked schools to hold my application but I'm still waiting decisions from 80% of the schools I applied to which leaves me wondering what to do once the February scores are released? I know that LSAC will send them an updated report with the new score although I don't know how quickly that occurs. If I have an improved score should I send an email to schools to update them as well a include a line like "... and to express my continued interest"? Or should I just sit back and let the process work? I just want to make sure I'm not doing anything unnecessary since I know it's a pretty busy time of year for people in admissions.

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Sat Feb 27, 2016 1:15 pm

Shib26 wrote:I think I know the answer to this question but thought I'd ask an expert just in case. I applied with my December score and retook in February. I never specifically asked schools to hold my application but I'm still waiting decisions from 80% of the schools I applied to which leaves me wondering what to do once the February scores are released? I know that LSAC will send them an updated report with the new score although I don't know how quickly that occurs. If I have an improved score should I send an email to schools to update them as well a include a line like "... and to express my continued interest"? Or should I just sit back and let the process work? I just want to make sure I'm not doing anything unnecessary since I know it's a pretty busy time of year for people in admissions.


Yep, if improved email them immediately and add said tagline. You have it right :)

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby Shib26 » Sat Feb 27, 2016 2:03 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:
Shib26 wrote:I think I know the answer to this question but thought I'd ask an expert just in case. I applied with my December score and retook in February. I never specifically asked schools to hold my application but I'm still waiting decisions from 80% of the schools I applied to which leaves me wondering what to do once the February scores are released? I know that LSAC will send them an updated report with the new score although I don't know how quickly that occurs. If I have an improved score should I send an email to schools to update them as well a include a line like "... and to express my continued interest"? Or should I just sit back and let the process work? I just want to make sure I'm not doing anything unnecessary since I know it's a pretty busy time of year for people in admissions.


Yep, if improved email them immediately and add said tagline. You have it right :)


Awesome, as expected but nice to have it confirmed. Thank you for the response!

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby TexasENG » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:12 pm

I know this has probably been answered before, and I know the probable answer, but for me and anyone else who had a dissapointing Feb LSAT I figured I'd ask.

If we retake and our score goes down, how likely are admissions officers to view this negatively? I'm assuming they don't really care that much outside of fringe cases.

Thanks for the great information bank as always!

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:41 pm

TexasENG wrote:I know this has probably been answered before, and I know the probable answer, but for me and anyone else who had a dissapointing Feb LSAT I figured I'd ask.

If we retake and our score goes down, how likely are admissions officers to view this negatively? I'm assuming they don't really care that much outside of fringe cases.

Thanks for the great information bank as always!


They only care about your high score. Going down has zero negative consequences.

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby zeglo » Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:25 am

Based on this data that applicants with high scores increased this cycle, do you think it'll be a lot more competitive for the 2016-2017 cycle? I am applying next cycle and am very worried that I missed the boat.

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/2015-1 ... 2-24-2016/

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby Tls2016 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:42 am

Spivey: what is your take on U Va being relatively stingy with scholarships and refusing to negotiate? How do you see them building a class?

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby lymenheimer » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:51 am

Tls2016 wrote:Spivey: what is your take on U Va being relatively stingy with scholarships and refusing to negotiate? How do you see them building a class?


Just to have the numbers out there, according to 509s, 43% of students get some sort of scholarship. That's on a similar level as Georgetown (~43%), Harvard (~47%), Penn(~47%), and NYU (~38%).

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby wareagle11 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:07 pm

Tls2016 wrote:Spivey: what is your take on U Va being relatively stingy with scholarships and refusing to negotiate? How do you see them building a class?


As an extension of this question - how should accepted students negotiate with a school that has already made somewhat of a commitment to not negotiate? Is it even worth trying?

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:19 pm

Tls2016 wrote:Spivey: what is your take on U Va being relatively stingy with scholarships and refusing to negotiate? How do you see them building a class?


They gave many many Dillard Scholarships last year, and also deferred a large number of admitted students last year (they over-enrolled early). I would guess that both of these are coming into play.

Also, and I can't emphasize this enough, schools are always trying to change their scholarship protocols to get a hold of the arms race that is substantially hurting their tuition revenue. That includes reading threads here about negotiations, which is why we try to almost never talk about tactics beyond the basics (like this: http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/some-b ... gotiation/). If there is a great strategy that is working, and if a school reads about it online and how well it is working, they are likely to adapt.

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:25 pm

zeglo wrote:Based on this data that applicants with high scores increased this cycle, do you think it'll be a lot more competitive for the 2016-2017 cycle? I am applying next cycle and am very worried that I missed the boat.

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/2015-1 ... 2-24-2016/


Likely the opposite -- if anything I would predict a more lucrative cycle at the top of the LSAT bandwidths.

In march of last year, we (SCG) wrote this blog with predictions for this cycle (which I will link immodestly because I am happy with how it has unfolded vis-a-vis our predictions), and the LSAT predictions were based in large part because of that ebb and flow at the top.

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

SO, if the historical ebb and flow holds true, you are looking at a better cycle :)

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby zeglo » Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:44 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:
zeglo wrote:Based on this data that applicants with high scores increased this cycle, do you think it'll be a lot more competitive for the 2016-2017 cycle? I am applying next cycle and am very worried that I missed the boat.

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/2015-1 ... 2-24-2016/


Likely the opposite -- if anything I would predict a more lucrative cycle at the top of the LSAT bandwidths.

In march of last year, we (SCG) wrote this blog with predictions for this cycle (which I will link immodestly because I am happy with how it has unfolded vis-a-vis our predictions), and the LSAT predictions were based in large part because of that ebb and flow at the top.

http://blog.spiveyconsulting.com/predic ... ons-cycle/

SO, if the historical ebb and flow holds true, you are looking at a better cycle :)


Fascinating! Thank you. I am a 165 currently, so I am hoping for the best. I look forward to your new posts.

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby HangingAround » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:06 pm

lymenheimer wrote:
Tls2016 wrote:Spivey: what is your take on U Va being relatively stingy with scholarships and refusing to negotiate? How do you see them building a class?


Just to have the numbers out there, according to 509s, 43% of students get some sort of scholarship. That's on a similar level as Georgetown (~43%), Harvard (~47%), Penn(~47%), and NYU (~38%).


Wonder if those numbers will hold true in the next report though? I think my lsn predicted me at 80k to UVA rather than zerooo.

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:23 pm

We are doing a FREE Webinar on wait list strategy this coming Monday at 9pm EST. Register here, it will be capped at 100 and 41 people have already signed up. See you in the webinar!

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby Smc1994 » Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:26 pm

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby KarenButtenbaum » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:28 pm

Smc1994 wrote:I submitted my application to Harvard at the end of January, and did not tell them to hold my app for the February LSAT. I got my score back, and immediately emailed them with an addendum and an update. Is it possible that they haven't looked at my application yet, or that they'd be willing to take another look with the February scores?


Hard to tell if they've looked at your application yet, but your email informing them of your test should trigger another look even if they weren't aware it was coming.

Cheers,
KB

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby zeglo » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:43 am

Does applying early decision, then getting moved to the regular pile affect your regular pile chances? My reasoning is that if you apply early decision, the school would know that you really want to attend that school specifically, sort of like a signaling mechanism, possibly increasing chances. This is assuming good email followup and yield being taken into consideration.

e.g., Apply Northwestern ED, don't get it, but then have boosted odds in the normal stack due to signaled intent to attend.

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Re: Q&A with former Harvard, Penn, Chicago, Vandy Admissions officers

Postby Loney M. Setnick » Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:14 pm

Quick question: I haven't heard back from Stanford even though my application has been complete since November. Would it be appropriate to send a LOCI or is it unnecessary, since a decision hasn't been made yet?


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