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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby KarenButtenbaum » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:14 pm

cshadow wrote:Regarding addenda, My GPA was affected by a sick family member who later died while in college, leading me to take a semester off. Should this be included, or would this be looked at more as an "excuse"?


Sorry to hear about this; that's certainly not easy to handle -- in school or out.
I'd suggest including it, but keep it brief and make sure that the tone is right. The same set of circumstances can be conveyed as an excuse or it can be conveyed as explaining the circumstances.
This will help the admissions committee when looking at your transcript with all of the information and not wondering what happened.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby KarenButtenbaum » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:23 pm

drawstring wrote:On a note related to some questions above, if I reapply will adcoms look back to aspects of my file (e.g. responses to interview questions) from the previous year?


This will vary from school to school, and most schools will include this type of information about re-applicants in their instructions. I think it's safe to assume that at least some of your information will be available or accessible but it will vary how much it will be looked at.

Sorry for the non-answer :)

Cheers,
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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:46 pm

cshadow wrote:Regarding addenda, My GPA was affected by a sick family member who later died while in college, leading me to take a semester off. Should this be included, or would this be looked at more as an "excuse"?


Without knowing too many details, I think you should likely include the gpa addenda. But be very sincere about how you felt, and when possible be concise --do keep in mind that they gets thousands of these addenda. I'm really sorry to hear it.

EDIT: Just saw that Karen answered too. Apologies for saying nearly the same thing (although take that as a good sign).

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby SnakySalmon » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:54 am

As a hypothetical, what would a C&F disclosure relating to being arrested during a protest do to an app? I haven't had an issue with this yet, but I'm involved in some causes where people have been arrested or escorted away from public buildings recently (gay rights thing if that matters).

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby KarenButtenbaum » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:27 am

SnakySalmon wrote:As a hypothetical, what would a C&F disclosure relating to being arrested during a protest do to an app? I haven't had an issue with this yet, but I'm involved in some causes where people have been arrested or escorted away from public buildings recently (gay rights thing if that matters).


It would make you look super cool.

OK, maybe that's just me, but I don't think this would really hurt your application (unless your explanation raised some flags about judgment, maturity, etc.)
In general, I'd say that it is best to avoid being arrested :)

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby Baby_Got_Feuerbach » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:01 am

/*\ /*\ Bee-boop Beep-Bop Stupid Question Alert /*\ /*\

If a school's deadline is March 1st does that mean by 11:59pm on the 1st or 11:59 on the last day of February? In other words -- can we still apply during the day ON deadline day?

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby KarenButtenbaum » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:05 am

Baby_Got_Feuerbach wrote:/*\ /*\ Bee-boop Beep-Bop Stupid Question Alert /*\ /*\

If a school's deadline is March 1st does that mean by 11:59pm on the 1st or 11:59 on the last day of February? In other words -- can we still apply during the day ON deadline day?


Unless otherwise noted, I read this as 11:59pm on March 1. Yes, you should be able to apply on the published deadline day.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:09 am

[quote="Baby_Got_Feuerbach"]/*\ /*\ Bee-boop Beep-Bop Stupid Question Alert /*\ /*\

Awesome Twiggy reference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yptoaCKZ ... tube_gdata

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:32 pm

Will be tweeting a bunch of data today fyi. :) Love it when I get these updates. These are as of 2/21

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby lawschool22 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:56 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:Will be tweeting a bunch of data today fyi. :) Love it when I get these updates. These are as of 2/21


Do you happen to have the full list? :)

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby lastsamurai » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:58 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:Will be tweeting a bunch of data today fyi. :) Love it when I get these updates. These are as of 2/21


There are schools w/ apps up over 40% ??? :shock:

Would you be able to generally tell us whether this is closer to the top or closer to the bottom? If not, no worries - just curious



Also, thank you for your contribution to TLS, Mike! Much appreciated.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby lawschool22 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:00 pm

lastsamurai wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:Will be tweeting a bunch of data today fyi. :) Love it when I get these updates. These are as of 2/21


There are schools w/ apps up over 40% ??? :shock:

Would you be able to generally tell us whether this is closer to the top or closer to the bottom? If not, no worries - just curious



Also, thank you for your contribution to TLS, Mike! Much appreciated.


It has to be schools at the bottom which probably have lower #'s of applicants in the first place (so the percentages look bigger) who also probably had horrific 2012-2013 cycles, and are bouncing backing some from that this year.

Obviously this is conjecture. I would be shocked if a T14 had a 40% increase.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:11 pm

lastsamurai wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:Will be tweeting a bunch of data today fyi. :) Love it when I get these updates. These are as of 2/21


There are schools w/ apps up over 40% ??? :shock:

Would you be able to generally tell us whether this is closer to the top or closer to the bottom? If not, no worries - just curious.


Actually no one but a few people at LSAC know which schools are up/down. I think, very rightfully so, LSAC is not going to share that data in the future and has not in the past. You could see it having an impact on admissions for some schools within the cycle.

Here is what I know: The rest is on Blog http://spiveyconsulting.com/blog/ (LSAT data) or Twitter https://twitter.com/SpiveyConsult (other pieces of data)

Increase of 100% or more: -
Increase of 50% to 99%: 3
Increase of 40% to 49%: -
Increase of 30% to 39%: 1
Increase of 20% to 29%: 3
Increase of 10% to 19%: 5
Increase of 1% to 9%: 13
No change: 2
Decrease of 1% to 9%: 31
Decrease of 10% to 19%: 59
Decrease of 20% to 29%: 48
Decrease of 30% or greater: 35

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby The-Specs » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:34 pm

This bandwidth data is such good news for the profession. The trend of decreases in applicants is perfectly in step with the drop in scores and a more than a 20% decrease among sub-140 scores is a very good thing.

Interesting that 170 seems to be the golden cut off score.

ETA: Everyone check it out on Spivey's blog.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby iamgeorgebush » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:39 pm

Interesting. With the increase in applicants with 170+ scores, then, do you think that after this cycle (2013-2014) is finished, we'll see it to have been more competitive than last at top schools (let's say T6)?

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby Optimist Prime » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:01 pm

iamgeorgebush wrote:Interesting. With the increase in applicants with 170+ scores, then, do you think that after this cycle (2013-2014) is finished, we'll see it to have been more competitive than last at top schools (let's say T6)?


My uninformed $.02. High scorers are more likely to be well informed about the law school admissions process and are more likely to retake - especially among splitters. Therefore while it looks like we are likely at the bottom of the curve for T6 admissions I think things will be moderately harder for splitters, but remain about the same for 3.9x,170+ applicants in the next year.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby lawschool22 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:17 pm

Optimist Prime wrote:
iamgeorgebush wrote:Interesting. With the increase in applicants with 170+ scores, then, do you think that after this cycle (2013-2014) is finished, we'll see it to have been more competitive than last at top schools (let's say T6)?


My uninformed $.02. High scorers are more likely to be well informed about the law school admissions process and are more likely to retake - especially among splitters. Therefore while it looks like we are likely at the bottom of the curve for T6 admissions I think things will be moderately harder for splitters, but remain about the same for 3.9x,170+ applicants in the next year.


Lol I don't think things will ever be tough for 3.9X/170+ applicants.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:09 pm

iamgeorgebush wrote:Interesting. With the increase in applicants with 170+ scores, then, do you think that after this cycle (2013-2014) is finished, we'll see it to have been more competitive than last at top schools (let's say T6)?


You also may see Columbia and NYU up their class sizes by 20-30 students.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby MikeSpivey » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:08 pm

Just a quick note on PM's. I'm getting a ton of late, many that read "here are all of my specifics, can you give me a binary answer on what I should do."

Without a contract it's really difficult for me to do this, FYI. There are long-term implications. The last time I posted something like this I got a bunch more PMs "hey Spivey, here's a $100 can you answer now" :) I appreciate that but I don't mean money -- I mean a legal contract. Our business model isn't really to answer one question.

Hmm, maybe we could do that though, an admissions hotline open a day a week or something. But until then apologies in advance if I can't answer your specific inquiry.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby gta » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:40 pm

I have a question about application updates. For some of the schools to which I've applied, I'm looking to submit LOCIs, "Why X?", and/or an update about some (relatively) major awards that I've won since submitting my application.

Should these all be separate documents, or could I submit one letter that covers all the ground?

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby Vincent » Fri Feb 28, 2014 2:49 pm

Hi Mike. When/on whose behalf are you coming to Berkeley? Come visit me!

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby thestatusguo » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:04 pm

Vincent wrote:Hi Mike. When/on whose behalf are you coming to Berkeley? Come visit me!


Obviously, it would be to see me. Duh.

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby sandwich » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:34 pm

Vincent wrote:Hi Mike. When/on whose behalf are you coming to Berkeley? Come visit me!



Ooh! Come visit me, too!

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Re: Q&A with former Admissions Officers

Postby KarenButtenbaum » Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:50 pm

gta wrote:I have a question about application updates. For some of the schools to which I've applied, I'm looking to submit LOCIs, "Why X?", and/or an update about some (relatively) major awards that I've won since submitting my application.

Should these all be separate documents, or could I submit one letter that covers all the ground?


consolidate :)


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