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Re: 2019 July California Bar

Postby TangibleChange33 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:26 pm

9xSound wrote:
Bingo_Bongo wrote:
jrpreston wrote: I can all but guarantee they will take off points. And judging by the way they grade, it won't be a little amount. I know that for the UBE's MPT they will start you off at 50% from the start.


Source? It's my understanding that the individual states are in charge of grading the MPTs, so wouldn't each state administering the MPT come up with the appropriate rubrics/deductions for mistakes?

Honestly, I doubt you'd receive anything more than a 10 point deduction off your total scaled score. Why? Because that's the deduction you receive if you fail to upload your essays on time (arguably a way bigger mistake than putting your name on your test). The bar also feels the need to announce the sanction for this mistake on their website, which leads me to believe if they felt a mistake was worth more than that, they'd also put that sanction up there as well.

9xSound wrote:A candidate who so carelessly — or just plain stupidly — writes his or her real name on any portion of the test doesn't deserve a law license.


Oh, come on.


I know my remark seems overly severe — and it probably is. But in the real world of litigation, it's a merciless, bloody dogfight. Your opponents will seize and take advantage of you every chance they get. They'll burn you to the ground at all costs. Don't go into this profession hoping to find nice people who will give you a pass. They don't.


This person is not asking this question "in the real world of litigation." The question is being posed because she is concerned about a mistake she made on her PT. I assume she is hoping for an accurate answer (based on experience or reliable information) about how this may change her score. There is no need for a lesson on the real world of litigation because it is not relevant. The lessons the Bar exam teaches us are to 1) pay attention to small details because they are necessary in achieving a larger goal; 2) patience; 3) persistence ("dog fight" of academic rigor mixed with the emotion of studying for the exam; 4) Learn from your mistake; and 5) Pay attention to yourself and what works best for you...ALL of these lesson are far more valuable and applicable towards being a good attorney than your overly harsh, irrelevant comment....Yes, litigation can be merciless blahblah, maybe she wants to be a transnational lawyer? or work for a non-profit? Just be honest with yourself and realize you are not being nice. Lets choose to support rather than attack behind a screen.

That being said I actually don't know the answer for the PT question. Call the Bar and ask. Sorry for the mental anguish you are going through. Everyone has a few regrettable moments during the Bar. Try not to dwell.

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Re: 2019 July California Bar

Postby yespasscbx » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:25 am

'approximately 8% of applicants did not show up for the exam'

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/08/hundreds-of-law-school-grads-seek-refunds-after-california-bar-exam-essay-topic-leak/

Considering this no-show rate, I think we're going to see a lower pass rate for this administration :|

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Re: 2019 July California Bar

Postby rcharter1978 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:35 pm

yespasscbx wrote:'approximately 8% of applicants did not show up for the exam'

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/08/hundreds-of-law-school-grads-seek-refunds-after-california-bar-exam-essay-topic-leak/

Considering this no-show rate, I think we're going to see a lower pass rate for this administration :|


That's surprising. I'd be pissed too, but by the time the situation came to light everyone had been studying for like three months. I couldn't imagine putting my life on hold any longer after being hyped up and putting in that work.

Even if they got a rebate on the exam, what about hotel room?

But yeah, maybe it was mostly people who already felt unprepared and we're only taking the exam because they couldn't get a refund

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Re: 2019 July California Bar

Postby Bingo_Bongo » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:20 am

yespasscbx wrote:'approximately 8% of applicants did not show up for the exam'

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/08/hundreds-of-law-school-grads-seek-refunds-after-california-bar-exam-essay-topic-leak/

Considering this no-show rate, I think we're going to see a lower pass rate for this administration :|


That's only very slightly above the usual no-show rate. Usually it's around 6-7%. I'm guessing that very slight bump might be attributed to applicants being able to get their money back. In most cases, the applicants who go into the bar not having passed a single practice test can't seek a refund, so they usually just tough it out and fail anyway. This year, since refunds were offered, I'm guessing quite a few people took the bar up on that offer knowing that they would fail if they took the exam.

There also might be a few applicants who were praying for certain essay subjects to save them. When they saw what the essay topics were, that might have killed any hope they had and made the choice to seek the refund easier.

But, I'm guessing very very few of the people who sought refunds did so because of the leak. The no-shows were already probably planning on just no-showing it, but figured they might as well get their money back.

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Re: 2019 July California Bar

Postby jennimarcy » Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:34 am

Those who took the exam, how was professional responsibility tested? Did that come into play on the PT? Did the essay require discussion on any of the new CA rules?

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Re: 2019 July California Bar

Postby yespasscbx » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:31 am

Bingo_Bongo wrote:
yespasscbx wrote:'approximately 8% of applicants did not show up for the exam'

https://abovethelaw.com/2019/08/hundreds-of-law-school-grads-seek-refunds-after-california-bar-exam-essay-topic-leak/

Considering this no-show rate, I think we're going to see a lower pass rate for this administration :|


But, I'm guessing very very few of the people who sought refunds did so because of the leak.


I agree with you: the leak was not the reason ... it was the excuse.

I believe very few people have that 'I'm well prepared' feeling when stepping into the test center; and I believe most of us have that anxiety, uncertainty and lack of confidence in the last couple of days before the exam. I ask myself what I would do if I was given the chance of refund within the last 24 hours. To be honest, I might have withdrawn ... as rcharter1978 said 'we're only taking the exam because we couldn't get a refund' :D

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Re: 2019 July California Bar

Postby belmont123 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:10 pm

Does anyone know what was the third issue on the contracts question? With the exclusive agency? What was I missing...

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Re: 2019 July California Bar

Postby storrez0724 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:34 pm

In all honesty, I thought knowing the topics was a huge advantage. If you weren't ready by then, you weren't ready. And for the most part, you could guess those topics, contracts and con law hadnt been on the exam since last summer and they were major topics. PR is on every exam and Civ Pro also had not been a stand alone essay while being a major topic for at least two years. Crim Pro and Crim law also had not bee on the essays for almost two years and they are MBE topics. Just knowing the patterns would have given you 5 out of 5 topics.

Contracts third issue? it was a valid contract, due to the sale of the vehicle being the condition to performance by the other side; the death of the person selling the car would not excuse the estate from the contract. You could go into it being unilateral and bilateral but I had no time at that point. You could also state that it was anticipatory repudiation on part of the seller, saying he no longer needed the agent to sell the car, breaching a valid contract. That would lead to either expectation damages or specific performance discussion with monetary damages being quantifiable and leading to the agent gaining a portion of the sale if specific performance were granted to either the first or second buyer.

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Re: 2019 July California Bar

Postby Alexandra99 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:25 pm

nappingwolf wrote:Also wanted to add that I'm self-studying. Took barbri before my first try and the one-size-fits-all didn't work for me. I felt like a deer in headlights the entire time, going through the motions perfectly tho because I'm an ace at passive studying.

My roadblock has been the MBEs. Writing was a strength, my scaled written for F12 was 1489. I don't even want to say what my MBE score was because it hurts. I've always had this impractical fear of practice questions - even in law school - as if the stuff I learned/memorized would disappear. So in the past, I approached prep simply by rote memorizing EVERYTHING... I know why I didn't pass. I suck at preparation and have gotten by my entire life just winging it but I'm here to learn to change that.

For a general law refresher, I'm using:
barbri Conviser Mini J18/F19

For essays:
Mary Basick's Essay Exam Writing - great attack sheets, will probably use this to memorize later
Jeff Adachi's Bar Breaker (old) - great essay approach tips
Will be signing up for BarEssays

For MBE's:
S&T - started this last month and am at like 55%
PMBR's red and blue books (old)
Will be signing up for Adaptibar

For PT's:
PTs were a strength, got a 70 on one with no practice beforehand. But with the new 90-min format I'll have to do a few full PTs

I've given up on outlining. I love busywork, makes me feel like I'm being productive but I end up overwhelmed with like 38 outlines and then I feel compelled to ditch practice questions and start memorizing because of the sheer amount of material in front of me. I'm scared to death of not doing that because that's my comfort zone, but need to truly learn the law this time. Hoping that practice brings on some natural memorization, like some of you have said. And I suppose I'll focus on memorization 2 weeks before the bar when I plan to take some time off of work. Feel free to chime in if any of this could use tweaking.


Hello, nappingwolf. How did your July exam go?

I am new to this forum and am planning on taking the Feb. 2020 exam. I have similar, if not exact, concerns, fears, etc. that you posted about. I'm a repeat taker; this will be attempt number five. As such, I no longer have the luxury of taking time off and work full-time. Did you continue to work full-time during your studying? If so, how did organize your studying? I feel like this is my biggest hurdle. I, too, used Barbri the first couple of times and I, too, felt overwhelmed. It was too much information. I've inherited resources from friends from other box prep companies; my outlines, friend's outlines, outlines from the web and even a box of the infamous Critical Pass flash cards (should I really use them?) I'm drowning though I'm going to look up Mary Basick's book right after I hit the "Submit" button on this message.

Any input and advice would be appreciated. Thank you and I hope you get some good news in November!

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Re: 2019 July California Bar

Postby thizzinmybrainsout » Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:24 pm

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/0/docu ... stions.pdf

July '19 essay questions/PT are up on site

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Re: 2019 July California Bar

Postby Ksapatlawyer » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:40 am

Results now only only one month away!



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