THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Lawworld19 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:10 pm

bananaphone wrote:Ok, I've been trying for a month now and just cant seem to understand character evidence. Has anyone found a one-two sentence list/explanation for the following?

1. When can you introduce extrinsic evidence of a witness's truthfulness before asking them about it on cross? How about the defendant? Can you ever bring specific acts in these cases?

2. When can you introduce extrinsic evidence of a witness's truthfulness after asking about them on cross? And the defendant? Can you ever bring specific acts in these cases?

3. When can you bring evidence to impeach a defendant but not use the evidence substantively? How about impeaching another witness but not using it against the defendant substantively?

4. When can you introduce extrinsic evidence to impeach a witness for not being credible (not regarding truthfullness?)



Agreed with above. It's like something I know I need to nail down that never gets 100% nailed down. Any help is appreciated.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby lawlurk » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:26 pm

Lawworld19 wrote:
bananaphone wrote:Ok, I've been trying for a month now and just cant seem to understand character evidence. Has anyone found a one-two sentence list/explanation for the following?

1. When can you introduce extrinsic evidence of a witness's truthfulness before asking them about it on cross? How about the defendant? Can you ever bring specific acts in these cases?

2. When can you introduce extrinsic evidence of a witness's truthfulness after asking about them on cross? And the defendant? Can you ever bring specific acts in these cases?

3. When can you bring evidence to impeach a defendant but not use the evidence substantively? How about impeaching another witness but not using it against the defendant substantively?

4. When can you introduce extrinsic evidence to impeach a witness for not being credible (not regarding truthfullness?)



Agreed with above. It's like something I know I need to nail down that never gets 100% nailed down. Any help is appreciated.



Having taken evidence in law school (got an A in the class) I find it vastly easier to just look at the FRE's as written versus Themis extracting and rewording the Rules. I too, find this area more difficult to keep track of than others.

Not sure if you have but I would suggest googling FRE 404 (character evidence), and then the rules mentioned within (412 ("rape shield"), 607 (who can do the impeaching), 608 (methods of introducing either reputation, option, and sometimes specific acts), 609 (how to use criminal convictions)). Personally, I have a sheet I just copied and pasted these on verbatim for reference. I think its easier to see the plain language and see where each references the other. I think this will be easier for most people who struggle with visualizing how they all interplay. Hope to help!

I usually refer to this: https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Neilt001 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:55 pm

deacon wrote:I received a message today from the Themis team. They suggest memorizing of course. They told that "you should not feel compelled to complete every set of PQs assigned at the expense of foregoing substantive learning. If you have completed more than 1200 MBE PQs plus the 300 questions from Practice Exams 1, 2, and 3, you have likely done enough". I have done the mixed sets 1-12 and decided to stop doing mixed sets. I will do if I have time of course, but now I start my day with memorization rather than taking one set of mixed sets. Still not sure whether it will work, but I think I need to trust the system.



if you're scoring in the 70s, you're fine. But if you're below that, you may want to keep doing a mixed set every day. Those who do around 2000 PQs are much better placed on the MBE. I would just keep doing a set every day along with memorization.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Lawworld19 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:29 pm

What did everyone get on PT 4?

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Postby deacon » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:34 pm

Neilt001 wrote:
deacon wrote:I received a message today from the Themis team. They suggest memorizing of course. They told that "you should not feel compelled to complete every set of PQs assigned at the expense of foregoing substantive learning. If you have completed more than 1200 MBE PQs plus the 300 questions from Practice Exams 1, 2, and 3, you have likely done enough". I have done the mixed sets 1-12 and decided to stop doing mixed sets. I will do if I have time of course, but now I start my day with memorization rather than taking one set of mixed sets. Still not sure whether it will work, but I think I need to trust the system.



if you're scoring in the 70s, you're fine. But if you're below that, you may want to keep doing a mixed set every day. Those who do around 2000 PQs are much better placed on the MBE. I would just keep doing a set every day along with memorization.


I am between 60s and 70s. Thank you for the advice! needed to hear that

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Tegasis » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:56 pm

Lawworld19 wrote:What did everyone get on PT 4?


Got an 80%, by far Con Law was my worst subject on PT 4.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby deacon » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:57 pm

Lawworld19 wrote:What did everyone get on PT 4?


%67 or %68. I cannot enter my answers, so I don't know what the answer of Q71 is.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby BlueLaw11 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:58 pm

People on here/other threads are posting study schedules implying they're studying around 10 hours a day. Is anyone else just feeling totally exhausted and burnt out? I hit 6 hours and am just completely tanked for the day. Not sure how to push several more hours a day past that

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Postby LawIsLyfe33 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:04 pm

BlueLaw11 wrote:People on here/other threads are posting study schedules implying they're studying around 10 hours a day. Is anyone else just feeling totally exhausted and burnt out? I hit 6 hours and am just completely tanked for the day. Not sure how to push several more hours a day past that


Yeah I'm pretty much only doing 8-3:30. There is absolutely no way I could possibly do 10-12 hours.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby LawIsLyfe33 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:05 pm

Lawworld19 wrote:What did everyone get on PT 4?


64%

Just as I was feeling pretty good about MBE, I'm right back on the edge.

To top it off, I did two Pennsylvania practice essays today and was pretty lost on them.

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Postby jcwest » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:06 pm

BlueLaw11 wrote:People on here/other threads are posting study schedules implying they're studying around 10 hours a day. Is anyone else just feeling totally exhausted and burnt out? I hit 6 hours and am just completely tanked for the day. Not sure how to push several more hours a day past that

I'm feeling absolutely tanked, exhausted, burnt out, stupid, all while having random periods of calmness followed by anxiety. Yet, I am studying around 10 - 12 hours a day (the past 5 days at least). Fear motivates me. At the same time, I'm only scoring somewhere between 60% and 72% on MBE PQs and I am in the process of memorizing non MBE subjects so its kinda necessary.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Lawworld19 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:19 pm

I am dumb and my job depends on it, and have worked full time up until Friday, I really don't have an option. I want to jump off a bridge come 5 pm, but the fear of failing and seeing you all get 80's on damn MBE PT's keeps me going.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Tegasis » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:26 pm

Lawworld19 wrote:I am dumb and my job depends on it, and have worked full time up until Friday, I really don't have an option. I want to jump off a bridge come 5 pm, but the fear of failing and seeing you all get 80's on damn MBE PT's keeps me going.


Full disclosure, got an 80% but also not working right now and haven’t at any point this summer. Been able to treat bar prep as a full time job for 8 weeks.

Props to you and all out there working full and part time while also going through this hell. The end is near.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby dabigchina » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:10 pm

BlueLaw11 wrote:People on here/other threads are posting study schedules implying they're studying around 10 hours a day. Is anyone else just feeling totally exhausted and burnt out? I hit 6 hours and am just completely tanked for the day. Not sure how to push several more hours a day past that

Yeah I def don't feel like I can study 10 hours a day at this point.

I most I do like 100 MBEs and im exhausted for the day.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby dabigchina » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:13 pm

deacon wrote:
Lawworld19 wrote:What did everyone get on PT 4?


%67 or %68. I cannot enter my answers, so I don't know what the answer of Q71 is.

Answers are on the last page of the exam book.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby deacon » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:21 pm

dabigchina wrote:
deacon wrote:
Lawworld19 wrote:What did everyone get on PT 4?


%67 or %68. I cannot enter my answers, so I don't know what the answer of Q71 is.

Answers are on the last page of the exam book.


Have you received a message that they changed Q71? They have sent a separate PDF this morning. I thought the answer should not be the same.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby dabigchina » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:45 pm

deacon wrote:
dabigchina wrote:
deacon wrote:
Lawworld19 wrote:What did everyone get on PT 4?


%67 or %68. I cannot enter my answers, so I don't know what the answer of Q71 is.

Answers are on the last page of the exam book.


Have you received a message that they changed Q71? They have sent a separate PDF this morning. I thought the answer should not be the same.

Derp I did not. I'm scheduled for Monday for some strange reason.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby BasilHallward » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:06 pm

66% on the AM and 65% on the PM for Practice Exam. I'm pretty worried. Missed a lot of gimmies.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby barprep2018 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:11 pm

How are you using the frequently tested topics that Themis send?
Are you organizing your memorization around that?

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby SloppyHandwriting » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:15 pm

68% on a mixed set (50) this morning and then ~48% on a mixed set (50) this evening. All over the fucking place. Anyone else get the feeling that they initially go with their gut, second guess themselves, and then end up picking the wrong one? And the gut choice was the write one?

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby maroon175 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:15 pm

Chances of family law being tested seem really low. Is anyone skipping this topic completely?

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Findedeux » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:25 pm

I'm doing flex study for the mixed practice sets.

I've noticed that they seem a bit easier than the non-mixed sets.

So far I have done session 1 (30 questions) and session 3 (50 questions).

Does anyone know if this correlates with the 1-6 mixed sets everyone is talking about with directed study?

If they did, for example, then my session 3 would be everyone else's session 1.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Pajsa18 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:26 pm

SloppyHandwriting wrote:68% on a mixed set (50) this morning and then ~48% on a mixed set (50) this evening. All over the fucking place. Anyone else get the feeling that they initially go with their gut, second guess themselves, and then end up picking the wrong one? And the gut choice was the write one?


I do that constantly! It’s the main reason my MBEs are so inconsistent - it’s maddening!!

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby EncyclopediaOrange » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:53 pm

I'm saying this for my own stress as much as anything, but the 66% target is based on getting to the final scaled score. You don't need 66% in every portion of the exam to pass if you do well in others. Remember that the MPT is generally free points.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby abogado2018 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:03 pm

dabigchina wrote:
BlueLaw11 wrote:
dabigchina wrote:Anyone else here taking California and finding some of these essay questions insanely obscure? I just did not one, but two Civ Pro essays that heavily revolved around discovery rules. Also did a Crim Pro question that heavily involved the determination of what is considered "testimony," which was barely touched upon.


Agreed, some of these go into bizarrely specific concepts and it kinda freaks me out. Speaking of, have you had any Civ Pro essays concerning CA Civil Procedure? I haven't had any yet, I'm wondering if it's even worth taking the time learning the distinctions...

I haven't seen a single one yet, and I think I have 1 more civ pro essay left. I'm thinking the same thing tbh.


Heads up--July 2016 had a CA civ pro essay.
http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Portals/0/docu ... ions_R.pdf



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