THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby studying4bar » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:02 am

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Calcrastinator wrote:Anyone want to compile data on most reoccurring issues from each subject and highlight the issues that have come up maybe once or not at all so we can know which issues to actually memorize next month? I feel like memorizing every rule, element, exception is not realistic so we need to choose what will be tested or needs explaining if an essay comes up on that issue.


I think it's actually quite possible to memorize almost every rule for the MBE topics...at least that's my plan.


They sometimes say this. For example, I found have sworn Tucker said 50% of the torts questions were negligence.


Yeah, she did say that, but I'm confused, are you questioning it or saying that we can learn all the rules

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Neilt001 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:45 am

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studying4bar wrote:So...I think I need to cut something out of the program or I am focusing on far too much detail which is resulting in wasted time. I'm at 25% as of right now, should be 26 by the end of the day. I am at 1.6% a day which is manageable but that is if I rely solely on themis for prep. I have been trying to make my own mini outlines and or visual aids but I find I spend so much time on Themis stuff that I am pretty shot by the time I get around to making my own materials/reviewing/doing extra practice (because property destroyed me). Any suggestions?


In addition to not reading the big outline sections (I just skim them to get a sense of the key concepts), I have started saving time by outlining rather than writing out the practice essays. At first, I was spending about 2 hours on each one: one hour to write out the whole thing, and then one hour to review it and pick out the helpful rule statements. Now, I am spending max one hour on each one: 30 minutes to read and outline, 30 minutes to review the model answer and make a couple of notes.

I wonder what other people think of saving time here to try and get caught up. I figure getting through more essays in less depth is better than simulating exam conditions, but not getting to as many? Once I'm caught up, I can probably slow down again, but I'm also currently just spending all my time trying to keep my head above water with Themis tasks.


to be honest i do not see the point of doing the MEE essays. I mean you should know how to write an essay by now with 3 years of law school under your belt. In my opinion it seems people just lose points on essays because they are not spotting the issues not b/c they dont know how to write essays. I have basically stopped writing essays (MEE) and instead just issue spot. Thats how i save a bunch of time.


I would agree. I think doing complete essays for practice is a luxury and not the best use of one's time. You'd be better off issue spotting, maybe jotting down some dot points, etc, and then making sure to read/understand/memorize the model answers. We all know how to write. Just make sure you IRAC and you'll be fine.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Neilt001 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:49 am

studying4bar wrote:So...I think I need to cut something out of the program or I am focusing on far too much detail which is resulting in wasted time. I'm at 25% as of right now, should be 26 by the end of the day. I am at 1.6% a day which is manageable but that is if I rely solely on themis for prep. I have been trying to make my own mini outlines and or visual aids but I find I spend so much time on Themis stuff that I am pretty shot by the time I get around to making my own materials/reviewing/doing extra practice (because property destroyed me). Any suggestions?


yeah once you're done the lectures, I would focus on MBE practice and memorization (eg from your own notes, or using flash cards, etc). I wouldn't spend much time on essays (other than to issue spot and make sure your answers are consistent with the model answers), nor would I spend much time on MPTs. I also never did the readings or the 'review outlines' at the end of each subject. I just did the lectures. So yeah, there's a lot of fat in there that you can trim if time is an issue.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby studying4bar » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:35 am

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studying4bar wrote:So...I think I need to cut something out of the program or I am focusing on far too much detail which is resulting in wasted time. I'm at 25% as of right now, should be 26 by the end of the day. I am at 1.6% a day which is manageable but that is if I rely solely on themis for prep. I have been trying to make my own mini outlines and or visual aids but I find I spend so much time on Themis stuff that I am pretty shot by the time I get around to making my own materials/reviewing/doing extra practice (because property destroyed me). Any suggestions?


yeah once you're done the lectures, I would focus on MBE practice and memorization (eg from your own notes, or using flash cards, etc). I wouldn't spend much time on essays (other than to issue spot and make sure your answers are consistent with the model answers), nor would I spend much time on MPTs. I also never did the readings or the 'review outlines' at the end of each subject. I just did the lectures. So yeah, there's a lot of fat in there that you can trim if time is an issue.



Thank you so much for this really helpful advice! That does make sense, cutting out a large portion of the practice essays and focusing on issue spotting and familiarity with fact patterns is more useful..I already know how to IRAC. If I do a practice anything, it will be an MPT because I can do a great MPT - in 2 hours. An hour and a half? Yeah, struggling there.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Neilt001 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:20 pm

studying4bar wrote:
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studying4bar wrote:So...I think I need to cut something out of the program or I am focusing on far too much detail which is resulting in wasted time. I'm at 25% as of right now, should be 26 by the end of the day. I am at 1.6% a day which is manageable but that is if I rely solely on themis for prep. I have been trying to make my own mini outlines and or visual aids but I find I spend so much time on Themis stuff that I am pretty shot by the time I get around to making my own materials/reviewing/doing extra practice (because property destroyed me). Any suggestions?


yeah once you're done the lectures, I would focus on MBE practice and memorization (eg from your own notes, or using flash cards, etc). I wouldn't spend much time on essays (other than to issue spot and make sure your answers are consistent with the model answers), nor would I spend much time on MPTs. I also never did the readings or the 'review outlines' at the end of each subject. I just did the lectures. So yeah, there's a lot of fat in there that you can trim if time is an issue.



Thank you so much for this really helpful advice! That does make sense, cutting out a large portion of the practice essays and focusing on issue spotting and familiarity with fact patterns is more useful..I already know how to IRAC. If I do a practice anything, it will be an MPT because I can do a great MPT - in 2 hours. An hour and a half? Yeah, struggling there.


Exactly. yeah I often just typed a random letter into the essay box to generate the model answer, which I copied/pasted into a word doc, then edited/printed/highlighted and saved it in my notes for later. I usually didn't write the essay. As for the MPT, yeah maybe a good idea to practice a couple if you're having trouble getting your time down!

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby sproutz » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:03 pm

Not sure if anyone has seen the Quimbee flashcards yet: https://www.quimbee.com/flashcards. I just tried them and I actually really liked how they work. They offer you a really short, answerable piece of a concept and then you rate how well you knew if from 1-5. Then they used spaced repetition to help you get all of the concepts up to 5. I probably won't use them a ton, but they will be nice for refreshing topics that I've already studied so that they don't get stale. Also, I think they're free? But my school pays for regular Quimbee access, so maybe that's just why they were free for me.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby airylef » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:11 pm

sproutz wrote:Not sure if anyone has seen the Quimbee flashcards yet: https://www.quimbee.com/flashcards. I just tried them and I actually really liked how they work. They offer you a really short, answerable piece of a concept and then you rate how well you knew if from 1-5. Then they used spaced repetition to help you get all of the concepts up to 5. I probably won't use them a ton, but they will be nice for refreshing topics that I've already studied so that they don't get stale. Also, I think they're free? But my school pays for regular Quimbee access, so maybe that's just why they were free for me.


Yeah, I think that's just your school. :(

I looked into them and they look great, but it's 25/month for the package that contains it. I even emailed them and asked if they could make them available by themselves since I don't need the outlines, case briefs, practice exams, etc. They told me that people use those for bar prep and I should too. :?

I already bought Critical Pass so I'm hesitant to spend $50 for 2 months of flashcards.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby lawbug123 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:15 pm

airylef wrote:
sproutz wrote:Not sure if anyone has seen the Quimbee flashcards yet: https://www.quimbee.com/flashcards. I just tried them and I actually really liked how they work. They offer you a really short, answerable piece of a concept and then you rate how well you knew if from 1-5. Then they used spaced repetition to help you get all of the concepts up to 5. I probably won't use them a ton, but they will be nice for refreshing topics that I've already studied so that they don't get stale. Also, I think they're free? But my school pays for regular Quimbee access, so maybe that's just why they were free for me.


Yeah, I think that's just your school. :(

I looked into them and they look great, but it's 25/month for the package that contains it. I even emailed them and asked if they could make them available by themselves since I don't need the outlines, case briefs, practice exams, etc. They told me that people use those for bar prep and I should too. :?

I already bought Critical Pass so I'm hesitant to spend $50 for 2 months of flashcards.


I use them when I am burned out. I don't know how Critical Pass is, but when I am completely exhausted from studying, usually I'll either sit in bath with the phone or in bed and just review those cards. But that could probably be done with Critical pass too. I liked the flash cards tho.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby BlueLaw11 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:52 pm

lawbug123 wrote:
airylef wrote:
sproutz wrote:Not sure if anyone has seen the Quimbee flashcards yet: https://www.quimbee.com/flashcards. I just tried them and I actually really liked how they work. They offer you a really short, answerable piece of a concept and then you rate how well you knew if from 1-5. Then they used spaced repetition to help you get all of the concepts up to 5. I probably won't use them a ton, but they will be nice for refreshing topics that I've already studied so that they don't get stale. Also, I think they're free? But my school pays for regular Quimbee access, so maybe that's just why they were free for me.


Yeah, I think that's just your school. :(

I looked into them and they look great, but it's 25/month for the package that contains it. I even emailed them and asked if they could make them available by themselves since I don't need the outlines, case briefs, practice exams, etc. They told me that people use those for bar prep and I should too. :?

I already bought Critical Pass so I'm hesitant to spend $50 for 2 months of flashcards.


I use them when I am burned out. I don't know how Critical Pass is, but when I am completely exhausted from studying, usually I'll either sit in bath with the phone or in bed and just review those cards. But that could probably be done with Critical pass too. I liked the flash cards tho.


I'm really struggling with Critical Pass. There is just so much on the damn flashcards that it's extremely overwhelming, and it's difficult to know exactly what they're asking. How wordy are the Quimbee flashcards?

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby frqw9201 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:32 pm

IS it just me or is the Elward evidence lecture all over the place and doesnt match well with the handout?

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Postby White Dwarf » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:16 pm

frqw9201 wrote:IS it just me or is the Elward evidence lecture all over the place and doesnt match well with the handout?

Yup. He doesn't follow the outline that closely, and sometimes phrases things in a different way than the blanks set-up. There are a bunch of a/an mismatches because of this.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby frqw9201 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:22 pm

White Dwarf wrote:
frqw9201 wrote:IS it just me or is the Elward evidence lecture all over the place and doesnt match well with the handout?

Yup. He doesn't follow the outline that closely, and sometimes phrases things in a different way than the blanks set-up. There are a bunch of a/an mismatches because of this.


So the title of the videos says *updated handout* I think we are missing that because the one in the book and the one online are the same
If you look at lecture 5, the beginning matches nothing with the outline.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Peanut60 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:17 pm

frqw9201 wrote:
White Dwarf wrote:
frqw9201 wrote:IS it just me or is the Elward evidence lecture all over the place and doesnt match well with the handout?

Yup. He doesn't follow the outline that closely, and sometimes phrases things in a different way than the blanks set-up. There are a bunch of a/an mismatches because of this.


So the title of the videos says *updated handout* I think we are missing that because the one in the book and the one online are the same
If you look at lecture 5, the beginning matches nothing with the outline.


I thought I was crazy when I printed out his handout and it started not matching up with what he said. I'm glad I am not alone!

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Lawworld19 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:42 pm

At 47.1 % complete and I ill tell you, I do not feel good about things. Taking Ohio.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby Lawworld19 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:43 pm

Just don't feel like I am really learning that much. How did everyone feel on that Torts essay today? Mine was on Intentional torts, mainly battery and ass.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby sproutz » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:44 pm

BlueLaw11 wrote:
lawbug123 wrote:
airylef wrote:
sproutz wrote:Not sure if anyone has seen the Quimbee flashcards yet: https://www.quimbee.com/flashcards. I just tried them and I actually really liked how they work. They offer you a really short, answerable piece of a concept and then you rate how well you knew if from 1-5. Then they used spaced repetition to help you get all of the concepts up to 5. I probably won't use them a ton, but they will be nice for refreshing topics that I've already studied so that they don't get stale. Also, I think they're free? But my school pays for regular Quimbee access, so maybe that's just why they were free for me.


Yeah, I think that's just your school. :(

I looked into them and they look great, but it's 25/month for the package that contains it. I even emailed them and asked if they could make them available by themselves since I don't need the outlines, case briefs, practice exams, etc. They told me that people use those for bar prep and I should too. :?

I already bought Critical Pass so I'm hesitant to spend $50 for 2 months of flashcards.


I use them when I am burned out. I don't know how Critical Pass is, but when I am completely exhausted from studying, usually I'll either sit in bath with the phone or in bed and just review those cards. But that could probably be done with Critical pass too. I liked the flash cards tho.


I'm really struggling with Critical Pass. There is just so much on the damn flashcards that it's extremely overwhelming, and it's difficult to know exactly what they're asking. How wordy are the Quimbee flashcards?


Not wordy at all.

For example, from the civil procedure deck:
"What is the difference between subject-matter and personal jurisdiction?"
"What is original jurisdiction?"
"At what time during a federal case can a party challenge subject-matter jurisdiction?"

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby LawIsLyfe33 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:33 am

Lawworld19 wrote:At 47.1 % complete and I ill tell you, I do not feel good about things. Taking Ohio.


Haha. I am at 36% and don't feel great, but not worried (yet). I think it all starts to come to you later in the process. Still have lots of time to review the most important topics/subjects once we are done being introduced to every single subject.

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Postby Lawworld19 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:08 pm

LawIsLyfe33 wrote:
Lawworld19 wrote:At 47.1 % complete and I ill tell you, I do not feel good about things. Taking Ohio.


Haha. I am at 36% and don't feel great, but not worried (yet). I think it all starts to come to you later in the process. Still have lots of time to review the most important topics/subjects once we are done being introduced to every single subject.



Makes the whole process more interesting when you are working full time and your offer letter contains language that states if you dont pass you are immediately terminated hahahah

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby studying4bar » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:50 pm

Peanut60 wrote:
frqw9201 wrote:
White Dwarf wrote:
frqw9201 wrote:IS it just me or is the Elward evidence lecture all over the place and doesnt match well with the handout?

Yup. He doesn't follow the outline that closely, and sometimes phrases things in a different way than the blanks set-up. There are a bunch of a/an mismatches because of this.


So the title of the videos says *updated handout* I think we are missing that because the one in the book and the one online are the same
If you look at lecture 5, the beginning matches nothing with the outline.


I thought I was crazy when I printed out his handout and it started not matching up with what he said. I'm glad I am not alone!



I asked my older cousin who used themis in 2016 and he was surprised when I was griping about him, so he asked me to show him so I hopped on the app and apparently he is a new lecturer for them, or relatively new because he hung onto some of his stuff and he just texted me that Schott - the guy that did family law - is who he had and he didn't have any problems understanding him :evil:

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby studying4bar » Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:52 pm

and I have to say, I did like Schott better than this guy.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

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studying4bar wrote:
Peanut60 wrote:
frqw9201 wrote:
White Dwarf wrote:
frqw9201 wrote:IS it just me or is the Elward evidence lecture all over the place and doesnt match well with the handout?

Yup. He doesn't follow the outline that closely, and sometimes phrases things in a different way than the blanks set-up. There are a bunch of a/an mismatches because of this.


So the title of the videos says *updated handout* I think we are missing that because the one in the book and the one online are the same
If you look at lecture 5, the beginning matches nothing with the outline.


I thought I was crazy when I printed out his handout and it started not matching up with what he said. I'm glad I am not alone!



I asked my older cousin who used themis in 2016 and he was surprised when I was griping about him, so he asked me to show him so I hopped on the app and apparently he is a new lecturer for them, or relatively new because he hung onto some of his stuff and he just texted me that Schott - the guy that did family law - is who he had and he didn't have any problems understanding him :evil:

Great. I didn't take evidence in law school so this is going to be really interesting.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby studying4bar » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:26 pm

dabigchina wrote:
studying4bar wrote:
Peanut60 wrote:
frqw9201 wrote:
White Dwarf wrote:
frqw9201 wrote:IS it just me or is the Elward evidence lecture all over the place and doesnt match well with the handout?

Yup. He doesn't follow the outline that closely, and sometimes phrases things in a different way than the blanks set-up. There are a bunch of a/an mismatches because of this.


So the title of the videos says *updated handout* I think we are missing that because the one in the book and the one online are the same
If you look at lecture 5, the beginning matches nothing with the outline.


I thought I was crazy when I printed out his handout and it started not matching up with what he said. I'm glad I am not alone!



I asked my older cousin who used themis in 2016 and he was surprised when I was griping about him, so he asked me to show him so I hopped on the app and apparently he is a new lecturer for them, or relatively new because he hung onto some of his stuff and he just texted me that Schott - the guy that did family law - is who he had and he didn't have any problems understanding him :evil:

Great. I didn't take evidence in law school so this is going to be really interesting.


Ah... I am going to ask my cousin if he has an outline or something from the other guy because...this one has me questioning the phrasing and the quality of that lecture and it doesn't give me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Fortunately, I get hearsay. Unfortunately, I do not remember much about testimonial evidence and some other (from what we have been told) tested areas.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby frqw9201 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:53 pm

Send a complaint about this in the message center to both customer service and study strategies. I have send them emails but they are saying there is no problem. Maybe if they get 10 complaints they will finally realize something is wrong.

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby studying4bar » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:56 pm

frqw9201 wrote:Send a complaint about this in the message center to both customer service and study strategies. I have send them emails but they are saying there is no problem. Maybe if they get 10 complaints they will finally realize something is wrong.


I know the regional director, I think I'm going to e-mail her and see if there is anything she can do because I feel like complaints from the message center get answers by customer service people that can only relay the messages and state that they will do so, but maybe if a regional director says something or hears about it...well, there's hope

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Re: THEMIS JULY 2018 - DISCUSSION

Postby frqw9201 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:59 pm

studying4bar wrote:
frqw9201 wrote:Send a complaint about this in the message center to both customer service and study strategies. I have send them emails but they are saying there is no problem. Maybe if they get 10 complaints they will finally realize something is wrong.


I know the regional director, I think I'm going to e-mail her and see if there is anything she can do because I feel like complaints from the message center get answers by customer service people that can only relay the messages and state that they will do so, but maybe if a regional director says something or hears about it...well, there's hope

already contacted my regional director, hasn't responded yet though seeing as its the weekend



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