2018 February North Carolina Bar

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2018 February North Carolina Bar

Postby dreamofNYC » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:01 pm

Any takers of the Feb 2018 NC Bar who want to meet/greet/commiserate with other takers? With less than one month to go, we could use some extra support from each other as we are powering through the last stretch of studying for the exam.

The purpose of this forum is to ask any questions related to the exam or concerning the license adjudication process by the NC Board of Law Examiners, ask any questions you might have about the scoring process (has anyone figured it yet?!), encourage each other, find a study buddy, or simply vent about something whether or not related to the exam. If this is the second or third, forth or Nth time that you are taking the North Carolina Bar exam, perhaps you might wish to share your insights with first takers.

Hopefully we could even organize a post-exam meeting/celebration once we are done. The best of luck to all for a successful performance! Look forward to reading everyone's thoughts! :D

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Re: 2018 February North Carolina Bar

Postby DurhamNC2017 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:06 pm

Good luck to all of those who are sitting for the exam later this month! I was in your shoes this time last year.

I don't know if I am able to answer many questions regarding the overall process, but I'd be happy to try.

I wrote a longer post and posted it in the 2017 thread linked to above, but here are a few general thoughts I came away with that I hope will help you:

I was only able to spend about 6 weeks fully engaged in studying. I did about 85-90 essays and about (I think) 950 multiple choice. I made notecards especially on the things I did not understand very well. For the last week or so, I focused a lot on memorization. Just reviewing outlines and drilling myself on notecards. I really wanted to be able to tick through rules on my essays and get as many "free points" on the MBE, which I thought of as particular rules or issues that I just knew cold. For the 6 weeks or so I studied, I only worked a little bit (a few hours a week at most), tried to put in at least 8 hours a day actually studying, and I tried to work out at the end of every day. I really benefited from having a schedule like this; for me working out is very relaxing so I really looked forward to it at the end of each day. Also, and I think this is key, I probably spent more time on going over my answers, right or wrong, compared to anything else. This really helped me.

Despite a lot of personal obligations and taking a little less time than recommended to study, I passed. The exam I took had a very low pass rate (in the 30% range), and I saw the rates before I got my results so I was not feeling very confident.

My overall recommendations to those taking it again:

- Pick a daily schedule and try to stick to it but plan to do something you like at the end of each day. I tried to make the last thing I did every day be an MBE problem set and then the first thing I'd do in the morning would be to review the answers, 1 by 1, for an hour or so.
- Spend a lot of time reviewing right and wrong answers
- Focus on putting your essays in a good, lawyerly format (e.g. IRAC)
- If you get an essay topic on the exam you don't know, skip it till the end, and then try to, to the extent you can, tick through as many rules or portions of rules as you can.
- If you enjoyed a particular topic in law school, for me Con. Law and Crim Pro., max out on studying those, especially if they are MBE and state topics that are the same or nearly the same. This way, studying will not seem so bad and hopefully you can really max out your points on those topics.
- Generally try to treat the studying as a job especially if you are not working. e.g. get up early, work until lunch, work after lunch for several more hours, quit around 7 and then do something other than study. If you are working, dedicate the hours between 6-10pm after work to studying and study all day one weekend day, and start a bit earlier than 2 months away if you can. Save stuff that you like for when you think you'll be tired.
- Know that you are going to get frustrated and feel like you'll fail. Just move forward from it. Just keep going on.
- Save some time at the end to do straight memorization.
- Consider Themis- I really recommend Themis, I liked the way the lectures were short and followed by some multiple choice questions. E.g. each topic is broken into chapters of about 20 minutes or less each and after each chapter you have 5 mc questions.

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Re: 2018 February North Carolina Bar

Postby dreamofNYC » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:40 pm

Thank you so much DurhamNC2017 for sharing your very helpful insights!

I would like to share a dilemma and insight regarding "when do you think you know enough to pass?"

For example, let's take CivPro. I thought I knew Civ Pro, but then as I went back to review CivPro I realized that there was so much that I didn't understand about CivPro. Only after going over and over several times did I started to really understand CivPro. And then the insight: oh if I didn't understand the rules on Jury Instructions and on Directed Verdict, then maybe I really didn't understand Evidence either, which made me go back to Evidence. And I also wondered, if I thought I knew Federal Question Jurisdiction maybe I didn't really understand Judicial Review in Con Law.

Sounds like a familiar process?

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Re: 2018 February North Carolina Bar

Postby dreamofNYC » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:44 pm

- Spend a lot of time reviewing right and wrong answers --> AGREED

- If you enjoyed a particular topic in law school, for me Con. Law and Crim Pro., max out on studying those, especially if they are MBE and state topics that are the same or nearly the same. This way, studying will not seem so bad and hopefully you can really max out your points on those topics. --> I found that spending a lot of time on subjects I didn't enjoy was most rewarding in terms of gaining confidence and scoring points.

- Know that you are going to get frustrated and feel like you'll fail. Just move forward from it. Just keep going on. --> ABSOLUTELY TRUE; KEEP GOING; DO NOT GIVE UP; IN THE END IT WILL ALL CLICK!

- Save some time at the end to do straight memorization. --> i find that really understanding the material helps with memorization. I agree that memorization should be done at the end, but memorization at the beginning without a good grasp of the material can be time wasting and inefficient.

- Consider Themis- I really recommend Themis, I liked the way the lectures were short and followed by some multiple choice questions. E.g. each topic is broken into chapters of about 20 minutes or less each and after each chapter you have 5 mc questions.[/quote] --> I chose Themis and really like them (i.e., I do not regret not signing up for Barbri).

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Re: 2018 February North Carolina Bar

Postby nbaall » Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:26 am

I found NC state-specific essay really cost inefficient - more than 40 pages of rules per subject, Knowingly only one topic will be tested in the essay... how do you guys memorize these?

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Re: 2018 February North Carolina Bar

Postby dreamofNYC » Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:59 am

[quote="nbaall"]I found NC state-specific essay really cost inefficient - more than 40 pages of rules per subject, /quote]

I agree! And the rules are written in such confusing and convoluted ways!

What I found worked for me was first trying to understand/knowing the structure of the MBE material first and only then try to integrate the NC distinctions only...

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Re: 2018 February North Carolina Bar

Postby Anony1234 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:19 pm

dreamofNYC wrote:
nbaall wrote:I found NC state-specific essay really cost inefficient - more than 40 pages of rules per subject, /quote]

I agree! And the rules are written in such confusing and convoluted ways!

What I found worked for me was first trying to understand/knowing the structure of the MBE material first and only then try to integrate the NC distinctions only...


I thought Barbri’s mini review outlines for state-specific subjects were very helpful on the July 2017 exam. Two of the essays (family law and secured transactions) required a simple recitation of the rule that Barbri gave then applying them to a basic fact pattern. A few of the others (i.e. agency) were only slightly more nuanced applications of the rule that Barbri gave.

I would highly recommend going through each of Barbri’s essays in the last few days as you’re trying to memorize everything. I just outlined the majority of the answers but reading through them also simplified the state-specific subjects into smaller buckets that were easier to digest.




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