July 2017 Bar Exam Results

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby cron1834 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:45 pm

cricketlove00 wrote:
AmicusCuriae6 wrote:
cricketlove00 wrote:
AmicusCuriae6 wrote:NC stats: 1017 takers, 61.75% pass


Do we know how many people from Charlotte and Elon failed?



Elon: 44.26%, 61 takers- 27pass/34fail
CLS: 34.06%, 138 takers- 47/91


Jesus Christ.

Good riddance to that disaster of a school. Elon should join them.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby cricketlove00 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:00 pm

I definitely think Elon is being watched closely.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby pancakes3 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:04 pm

wtf elon has a LS too? NC has to be the most oversaturated state per capita right? (DC not being a state and all)

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby cron1834 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:58 pm

Minnesota was in the mix for most oversaturated before two schools merged. Michigan was before Cooley closed a campus. But it's gotta be California (with all the CalBar nonsense included) or NC.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby dimetech » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:04 pm

cron1834 wrote:Minnesota was in the mix for most oversaturated before two schools merged. Michigan was before Cooley closed a campus. But it's gotta be California (with all the CalBar nonsense included) or NC.


CA has 54! Law schools. Just counted. That's saturation.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby cron1834 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:48 pm

dimetech wrote:
cron1834 wrote:Minnesota was in the mix for most oversaturated before two schools merged. Michigan was before Cooley closed a campus. But it's gotta be California (with all the CalBar nonsense included) or NC.


CA has 54! Law schools. Just counted. That's saturation.

Egregious.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby cricketlove00 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:14 am

I would add Florida to the mix too.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby Damage Over Time » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:50 am

dimetech wrote:
cron1834 wrote:Minnesota was in the mix for most oversaturated before two schools merged. Michigan was before Cooley closed a campus. But it's gotta be California (with all the CalBar nonsense included) or NC.


CA has 54! Law schools. Just counted. That's saturation.


Holy cow. It looks like a lot of them are accredited too.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby Vol2016 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:58 am

Anyone found info on what the national mbe mean score is for July 2017?

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby derekmuller » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:17 pm

Vol2016 wrote:Anyone found info on what the national mbe mean score is for July 2017?

Up 1.4 points year-over-year. I blogged about it here: http://excessofdemocracy.com/blog/2017/9/bar-exam-scores-rebound-to-highest-point-since-2013.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby leib10 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:20 pm

derekmuller wrote:
Vol2016 wrote:Anyone found info on what the national mbe mean score is for July 2017?

Up 1.4 points year-over-year. I blogged about it here: http://excessofdemocracy.com/blog/2017/9/bar-exam-scores-rebound-to-highest-point-since-2013.


Any source for that info?

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby deceptivelyblonde » Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:07 am

Wyoming is up! Good luck! :)


If anyone is interested, you can find the following information as well for comparisons

1. Links to & Dates for Bar Results (https://deceptivelyblonde.com/bar-exam-results/)
2. Links to Past Results since Feb. 2015 (http://deceptivelyblonde.weebly.com/bar ... sults.html)
3. Release Dates since Feb. 2016 (http://deceptivelyblonde.weebly.com/res ... dates.html)
4. Bar Exam Statistics by State since Feb. 2013 (http://deceptivelyblonde.weebly.com/bar ... state.html)
5. National Bar Exam Statistics since 2007 (http://deceptivelyblonde.weebly.com/nat ... stics.html)


Hopefully the passage rates are up this year!

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby derekmuller » Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:17 am

leib10 wrote:
derekmuller wrote:
Vol2016 wrote:Anyone found info on what the national mbe mean score is for July 2017?

Up 1.4 points year-over-year. I blogged about it here: http://excessofdemocracy.com/blog/2017/9/bar-exam-scores-rebound-to-highest-point-since-2013.


Any source for that info?

It's linked in the post, but it may be behind a paywall. A tweet with the source is here: https://twitter.com/KarenSloanNLJ/status/905513383797157888

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby dans1006 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:21 am

derekmuller wrote:
leib10 wrote:
derekmuller wrote:
Vol2016 wrote:Anyone found info on what the national mbe mean score is for July 2017?

Up 1.4 points year-over-year. I blogged about it here: http://excessofdemocracy.com/blog/2017/9/bar-exam-scores-rebound-to-highest-point-since-2013.


Any source for that info?

It's linked in the post, but it may be behind a paywall. A tweet with the source is here: https://twitter.com/KarenSloanNLJ/status/905513383797157888


No evidence for this speculation, but I wonder if the bump might be partially caused by the collective freak out and additional prep done by students who heard the last MBE (in Feb) had the worst scores ever.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby cricketlove00 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:26 am

First, I think you're giving too much credit to law students studying for the bar.

Second, I'll never understand the MBE's "defend until we die" mantra. They've said the test hasn't changed, but we all know it has. They've added civ pro and they've introduced topics in the MBE that were not heavily tested, or at all, in prior years.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby dans1006 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:38 am

cricketlove00 wrote:First, I think you're giving too much credit to law students studying for the bar.

Second, I'll never understand the MBE's "defend until we die" mantra. They've said the test hasn't changed, but we all know it has. They've added civ pro and they've introduced topics in the MBE that were not heavily tested, or at all, in prior years.


That's fair.

I think it's patently ridiculous that the NCBE won't admit that the test has gotten tougher. Adding an entirely new body of law a few years back obviously increases the difficulty level. When it comes to going from 10 experimental questions to 25, I might have previously been persuaded that this shouldn't change anything in terms of difficulty, but after having taken the exam, I wonder how many of those non-counting questions ended up eating up a ton of my time. In practice, I was always done with 30-45 minutes to spare. On both actual MBE sessions, I was sprinting at the end. I think this is because I ended up reading and re-reading and, yes, even re-re-reading some of those long ass Civ Pro questions that didn't immediately make sense to me. Chances are some of those were just poorly written experimental questions that resulted in zero points for me but amounted to a huge time suck.

With all that said, the NCBE does have a point that there was a real, and consequential dip in the admission standards in law school admissions and, yes, we shouldn't be surprised that passage rates dipped. I just think they're using that, which is one factor, and trying to use it as a complete explanation when it's that coupled with additional factors, like the introduction of Civ Pro and the change in the format.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby derekmuller » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:48 am

cricketlove00 wrote:First, I think you're giving too much credit to law students studying for the bar.

Second, I'll never understand the MBE's "defend until we die" mantra. They've said the test hasn't changed, but we all know it has. They've added civ pro and they've introduced topics in the MBE that were not heavily tested, or at all, in prior years.

Changes in subjects or topics tested do not affect scores. This is all controlled through scaling and equating. This may help: http://excessofdemocracy.com/blog/2015/9/no-the-mbe-was-not-harder-than-usual

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby cricketlove00 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:56 am

Good points, which I totally agree with. I just think attributing a dip in scores entirely to admissions is irresponsible. I don't think the issue is that black and white.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby blaze1306 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:10 pm

Oklahoma is out...congrats to a good friend of mine Erika that passed her first time !!!


Results – July 2017 Oklahoma Bar Exam

A total of 279 took the exam; 226 passed; pass rate 81%.

The following list includes EVERYONE who passed the July 2017 exam.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby codyal90 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:43 pm

SO is there any info on what the actual scaling is?

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby maxmartin » Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:56 pm

WA is out today.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby unlvcrjchick » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:55 pm

Utah results were emailed today and I am thrilled I passed; this was my second bar exam but this time as a practicing attorney 9 years after the first one (NV) and it's a miracle I passed, and with a scaled score of 306! Good luck everyone!

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby HungJuror » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:06 pm

WA State: Of the 765 candidates who took the Summer 2017 Lawyer Bar Exam, 553 candidates passed the exam. Average UBE of 285.97; the required passing score was 270.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby ndbigdave » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:34 pm

HungJuror wrote:WA State: Of the 765 candidates who took the Summer 2017 Lawyer Bar Exam, 553 candidates passed the exam. Average UBE of 285.97; the required passing score was 270.


For those scoring at home, that is a 72.2% pass rate. With an average score nearly 6% higher than necessary (technically 5.9%) well done to WA students.

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Re: July 2017 Bar Exam Results

Postby deceptivelyblonde » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:49 am

Congrats & Good Luck!

Released recently:

North Carolina (Published Publicly)
Oklahoma ~ 81%
Washington ~ 72.2%
Utah (According to a few Reports - Nothing Published Publicly)


Anyone heard about Indiana? Usually they'd have a released date posted by now. . . .




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