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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby cats » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:56 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:Also guys, I don't want to jinx us but look at some old threads from years past. The vast majority of people come out of the bar exam feeling ambivalent and like they might have failed. And most of them end up having done well enough to pass with room to spare. I get feeling nervous (I do too) but we should all have a little perspective here. Feeling like you bombed seems to be par for the course


except more people will fail this year than ever. I'm just hoping we're not on the margin

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby pancakes3 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:02 pm

with them throwing out 25 questions instead of 10 probably is why this test *feels* harder.

definitely overloaded on CivPro.

maybe they'll overcorrect on the curve to compensate though.

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Postby A. Nony Mouse » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:04 pm

cats wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Also guys, I don't want to jinx us but look at some old threads from years past. The vast majority of people come out of the bar exam feeling ambivalent and like they might have failed. And most of them end up having done well enough to pass with room to spare. I get feeling nervous (I do too) but we should all have a little perspective here. Feeling like you bombed seems to be par for the course


except more people will fail this year than ever. I'm just hoping we're not on the margin

There is no evidence to support this. Don't fearmonger.

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby TheSpanishMain » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:04 pm

cats wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Also guys, I don't want to jinx us but look at some old threads from years past. The vast majority of people come out of the bar exam feeling ambivalent and like they might have failed. And most of them end up having done well enough to pass with room to spare. I get feeling nervous (I do too) but we should all have a little perspective here. Feeling like you bombed seems to be par for the course


except more people will fail this year than ever. I'm just hoping we're not on the margin


Probably a few more just because law schools have been admitting lower LSATs each year, but why do you think there will be significantly more failures?

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby cats » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:06 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:
cats wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Also guys, I don't want to jinx us but look at some old threads from years past. The vast majority of people come out of the bar exam feeling ambivalent and like they might have failed. And most of them end up having done well enough to pass with room to spare. I get feeling nervous (I do too) but we should all have a little perspective here. Feeling like you bombed seems to be par for the course


except more people will fail this year than ever. I'm just hoping we're not on the margin


Probably a few more just because law schools have been admitting lower LSATs each year, but why do you think there will be significantly more failures?


because more people are failing

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby cats » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:07 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
cats wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Also guys, I don't want to jinx us but look at some old threads from years past. The vast majority of people come out of the bar exam feeling ambivalent and like they might have failed. And most of them end up having done well enough to pass with room to spare. I get feeling nervous (I do too) but we should all have a little perspective here. Feeling like you bombed seems to be par for the course


except more people will fail this year than ever. I'm just hoping we're not on the margin

There is no evidence to support this. Don't fearmonger.


scores are declining in everything. unless the bar drops standards

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby TheSpanishMain » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:11 pm

cats wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
cats wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Also guys, I don't want to jinx us but look at some old threads from years past. The vast majority of people come out of the bar exam feeling ambivalent and like they might have failed. And most of them end up having done well enough to pass with room to spare. I get feeling nervous (I do too) but we should all have a little perspective here. Feeling like you bombed seems to be par for the course


except more people will fail this year than ever. I'm just hoping we're not on the margin

There is no evidence to support this. Don't fearmonger.


scores are declining in everything. unless the bar drops standards


That's not necessarily evidence that the bar is getting harder to pass

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby SmokeytheBear » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:12 pm

cats wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
cats wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Also guys, I don't want to jinx us but look at some old threads from years past. The vast majority of people come out of the bar exam feeling ambivalent and like they might have failed. And most of them end up having done well enough to pass with room to spare. I get feeling nervous (I do too) but we should all have a little perspective here. Feeling like you bombed seems to be par for the course


except more people will fail this year than ever. I'm just hoping we're not on the margin

There is no evidence to support this. Don't fearmonger.


scores are declining in everything. unless the bar drops standards


Already announced that the CA bar will likely lower standards. So . . .

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Postby Germaine » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:12 pm

pancakes3 wrote:with them throwing out 25 questions instead of 10 probably is why this test *feels* harder.

definitely overloaded on CivPro.

maybe they'll overcorrect on the curve to compensate though.


This.

If you think back, there were long stretches of pretty straightforward questions. I have to think those make up the heart of what they use to score us. Goal is to screen out people who lack basic competency. Probably there some false negatives each year (people who should pass but don't), but overall I bet it gets it about right because the real scoring is based on core concepts.

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby L_William_W » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:13 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:
cats wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Also guys, I don't want to jinx us but look at some old threads from years past. The vast majority of people come out of the bar exam feeling ambivalent and like they might have failed. And most of them end up having done well enough to pass with room to spare. I get feeling nervous (I do too) but we should all have a little perspective here. Feeling like you bombed seems to be par for the course


except more people will fail this year than ever. I'm just hoping we're not on the margin


Probably a few more just because law schools have been admitting lower LSATs each year, but why do you think there will be significantly more failures?


I personally know people who scored in the low-150's on the LSAT and passed the bar. Apples have nothing to do with oranges.

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby cats » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:15 pm

SmokeytheBear wrote:
cats wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
cats wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Also guys, I don't want to jinx us but look at some old threads from years past. The vast majority of people come out of the bar exam feeling ambivalent and like they might have failed. And most of them end up having done well enough to pass with room to spare. I get feeling nervous (I do too) but we should all have a little perspective here. Feeling like you bombed seems to be par for the course


except more people will fail this year than ever. I'm just hoping we're not on the margin

There is no evidence to support this. Don't fearmonger.


scores are declining in everything. unless the bar drops standards


Already announced that the CA bar will likely lower standards. So . . .


We probably all passed?

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby TheSpanishMain » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:19 pm

L_William_W wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:
cats wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Also guys, I don't want to jinx us but look at some old threads from years past. The vast majority of people come out of the bar exam feeling ambivalent and like they might have failed. And most of them end up having done well enough to pass with room to spare. I get feeling nervous (I do too) but we should all have a little perspective here. Feeling like you bombed seems to be par for the course


except more people will fail this year than ever. I'm just hoping we're not on the margin


Probably a few more just because law schools have been admitting lower LSATs each year, but why do you think there will be significantly more failures?


I personally know people who scored in the low-150's on the LSAT and passed the bar. Apples have nothing to do with oranges.


Why would that be unusual? Isn't lower 150s an average LSAT score, or at least close to it? And the average person passes the bar, so…

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Postby cats » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:25 pm

TheSpanishMain wrote:
L_William_W wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:
cats wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Also guys, I don't want to jinx us but look at some old threads from years past. The vast majority of people come out of the bar exam feeling ambivalent and like they might have failed. And most of them end up having done well enough to pass with room to spare. I get feeling nervous (I do too) but we should all have a little perspective here. Feeling like you bombed seems to be par for the course


except more people will fail this year than ever. I'm just hoping we're not on the margin


Probably a few more just because law schools have been admitting lower LSATs each year, but why do you think there will be significantly more failures?


I personally know people who scored in the low-150's on the LSAT and passed the bar. Apples have nothing to do with oranges.


Why would that be unusual? Isn't lower 150s an average LSAT score, or at least close to it? And the average person passes the bar, so…


who knows. made a thread on this and it got blocked

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby PanickingBarTaker » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:27 pm

mklaw1128 wrote:NJ UBE Taker here... terrible, first half was fine, the second was brutal. I love the way everyone constantly stated that the real MBE questions are 10x easier then your bar course prep...my ass. Maybe these courses need an update.



Anyone who tells you that is misleading you to sell you their s*itty a$$ courses .. ONLY practice and study real released questions .. I think the only course which does that is Pieper Law [NY only]. Get the questions from the NCBE website.

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby SmokeytheBear » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:31 pm

cats wrote:
SmokeytheBear wrote:
cats wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
cats wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Also guys, I don't want to jinx us but look at some old threads from years past. The vast majority of people come out of the bar exam feeling ambivalent and like they might have failed. And most of them end up having done well enough to pass with room to spare. I get feeling nervous (I do too) but we should all have a little perspective here. Feeling like you bombed seems to be par for the course


except more people will fail this year than ever. I'm just hoping we're not on the margin

There is no evidence to support this. Don't fearmonger.


scores are declining in everything. unless the bar drops standards


Already announced that the CA bar will likely lower standards. So . . .


We probably all passed?


At this point in time it's probably healthiest for you to think that you passed so that you don't live in anguish over the next several months likely unnecessarily.

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby crumb cake » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:41 pm

MarkinKansasCity wrote:http://witnesseth.typepad.com/blog/2013/08/what-are-my-chances-of-passing-the-bar.html


Problem is my T14 has the same bar passage rates as the local unranked T4 school in my jurisdiction.

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby cats » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:50 pm

crumb cake wrote:
MarkinKansasCity wrote:http://witnesseth.typepad.com/blog/2013/08/what-are-my-chances-of-passing-the-bar.html


Problem is my T14 has the same bar passage rates as the local unranked T4 school in my jurisdiction.


what about lsat though. we all have a certain percentage of our classmates who have low scores

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby cnk1220 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:53 pm

cats wrote:
crumb cake wrote:
MarkinKansasCity wrote:http://witnesseth.typepad.com/blog/2013/08/what-are-my-chances-of-passing-the-bar.html


Problem is my T14 has the same bar passage rates as the local unranked T4 school in my jurisdiction.


what about lsat though. we all have a certain percentage of our classmates who have low scores



The LSAT doesn't have anything to do with bar passage, I didn't have a high LSAT score, I'm talking like mid 150s passed comfortably on my first bar exam. Its about learning the exam's tricks, practicing over and over, and going over past essays. There are people who graduated from top tier schools with high LSATs who fail, and those who graduate from bottom tier schools who pass.

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby crumb cake » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:54 pm

cats wrote:
crumb cake wrote:
MarkinKansasCity wrote:http://witnesseth.typepad.com/blog/2013/08/what-are-my-chances-of-passing-the-bar.html


Problem is my T14 has the same bar passage rates as the local unranked T4 school in my jurisdiction.


what about lsat though. we all have a certain percentage of our classmates who have low scores


I got a 172 on the LSAT and I don't think that helps me at all here except maybe my bubbling strategy.

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby Brian_Wildcat » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:57 pm

Not sure how LSAT score helps with whether you know the law...

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby cats » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:58 pm

cnk1220 wrote:
cats wrote:
crumb cake wrote:
MarkinKansasCity wrote:http://witnesseth.typepad.com/blog/2013/08/what-are-my-chances-of-passing-the-bar.html


Problem is my T14 has the same bar passage rates as the local unranked T4 school in my jurisdiction.


what about lsat though. we all have a certain percentage of our classmates who have low scores



The LSAT doesn't have anything to do with bar passage, I didn't have a high LSAT score, I'm talking like mid 150s passed comfortably on my first bar exam. Its about learning the exam's tricks, practicing over and over, and going over past essays. There are people who graduated from top tier schools with high LSATs who fail, and those who graduate from bottom tier schools who pass.


big iq correlation though. that's all i was asking nothing personal

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby cnk1220 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:59 pm

crumb cake wrote:
cats wrote:
crumb cake wrote:
MarkinKansasCity wrote:http://witnesseth.typepad.com/blog/2013/08/what-are-my-chances-of-passing-the-bar.html


Problem is my T14 has the same bar passage rates as the local unranked T4 school in my jurisdiction.


what about lsat though. we all have a certain percentage of our classmates who have low scores


I got a 172 on the LSAT and I don't think that helps me at all here except maybe my bubbling strategy.



On another note...crumbcake- your avatar is making me hungry/want cake now.

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby mklaw1128 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:17 pm

PanickingBarTaker wrote:
mklaw1128 wrote:NJ UBE Taker here... terrible, first half was fine, the second was brutal. I love the way everyone constantly stated that the real MBE questions are 10x easier then your bar course prep...my ass. Maybe these courses need an update.



Anyone who tells you that is misleading you to sell you their s*itty a$$ courses .. ONLY practice and study real released questions .. I think the only course which does that is Pieper Law [NY only]. Get the questions from the NCBE website.


Truth. Except these were multiple past bar takers who passed telling me this, granted they took pre UBE bar exam (NJ just switched) but still. Also did OP3 and 4 and thought they were easier than the one section of the MBE. Who knows. Lets hope for a pass.

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Re: WORST MBE EVER!!!!!!!!

Postby krjackson59 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:25 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
cats wrote:
TheSpanishMain wrote:Also guys, I don't want to jinx us but look at some old threads from years past. The vast majority of people come out of the bar exam feeling ambivalent and like they might have failed. And most of them end up having done well enough to pass with room to spare. I get feeling nervous (I do too) but we should all have a little perspective here. Feeling like you bombed seems to be par for the course


except more people will fail this year than ever. I'm just hoping we're not on the margin

There is no evidence to support this. Don't fearmonger.


Agreed. This guy has been trolling multiple threads... y'all did fine.



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