July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

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Postby SowhatsNU » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:44 pm

Do you guys catch those "nuances" in all the essays, even when they're not emphasized in the lectures/conviser?

Just did a property essay, and the whole thing turned on how recording statutes will not protect a BFP from someone who acquires via adverse possession (or anyone/anything else that takes as an operation of law)

Is this a norm for essays, or does Barbri do this just to freak us out? Also got this on Sec Trans (with accessions) and a few other topics

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Re: July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

Postby JurorEight » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:49 pm

SowhatsNU wrote:Do you guys catch those "nuances" in all the essays, even when they're not emphasized in the lectures/conviser?

Just did a property essay, and the whole thing turned on how recording statutes will not protect a BFP from someone who acquires via adverse possession (or anyone/anything else that takes as an operation of law)

Is this a norm for essays, or does Barbri do this just to freak us out? Also got this on Sec Trans (with accessions) and a few other topics


Can you tell me which Property essay that is in the MEET? I want to take a look at it. Thanks.

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Postby NB12017 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:50 pm

SowhatsNU wrote:Do you guys catch those "nuances" in all the essays, even when they're not emphasized in the lectures/conviser?

Just did a property essay, and the whole thing turned on how recording statutes will not protect a BFP from someone who acquires via adverse possession (or anyone/anything else that takes as an operation of law)

Is this a norm for essays, or does Barbri do this just to freak us out? Also got this on Sec Trans (with accessions) and a few other topics


I don't have my essay book handy. Mind telling me which essay so I can review that point later (thanks by the way).

To your question, I've heard it both ways. Most tend to assume Barbri's essays are intended for shock and exposure. There was someone on this thread or a different one referring to an official essay question about an obscure evidence rule. I just default to everything being fair game and being glad that I saw that issue before the exam. For what it's worth, if IT is an incredibly obscure point of law, you're going to be in the boat with most other people. I don't know if that matters, but it's something.

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Re: July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

Postby SowhatsNU » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:02 pm

NB12017 wrote:
SowhatsNU wrote:Do you guys catch those "nuances" in all the essays, even when they're not emphasized in the lectures/conviser?

Just did a property essay, and the whole thing turned on how recording statutes will not protect a BFP from someone who acquires via adverse possession (or anyone/anything else that takes as an operation of law)

Is this a norm for essays, or does Barbri do this just to freak us out? Also got this on Sec Trans (with accessions) and a few other topics


I don't have my essay book handy. Mind telling me which essay so I can review that point later (thanks by the way).

To your question, I've heard it both ways. Most tend to assume Barbri's essays are intended for shock and exposure. There was someone on this thread or a different one referring to an official essay question about an obscure evidence rule. I just default to everything being fair game and being glad that I saw that issue before the exam. For what it's worth, if IT is an incredibly obscure point of law, you're going to be in the boat with most other people. I don't know if that matters, but it's something.


No problem! It was Q1 from the property sets- July 2007- i just looked back at it again, and I may have exaggerated in that the entire essay doesn't turn on AP being superior title, but I'd say its a pretty substantial component of the answer (imo at least- maybe im being paranoid)

I guess I'll just skim thru all 8 essays for each topic (if i can make it thru) in the hopes that I catch any weird nuances they might throw at us on Tuesday

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Postby NB12017 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:07 pm

SowhatsNU wrote:
NB12017 wrote:
SowhatsNU wrote:Do you guys catch those "nuances" in all the essays, even when they're not emphasized in the lectures/conviser?

Just did a property essay, and the whole thing turned on how recording statutes will not protect a BFP from someone who acquires via adverse possession (or anyone/anything else that takes as an operation of law)

Is this a norm for essays, or does Barbri do this just to freak us out? Also got this on Sec Trans (with accessions) and a few other topics


I don't have my essay book handy. Mind telling me which essay so I can review that point later (thanks by the way).

To your question, I've heard it both ways. Most tend to assume Barbri's essays are intended for shock and exposure. There was someone on this thread or a different one referring to an official essay question about an obscure evidence rule. I just default to everything being fair game and being glad that I saw that issue before the exam. For what it's worth, if IT is an incredibly obscure point of law, you're going to be in the boat with most other people. I don't know if that matters, but it's something.


No problem! It was Q1 from the property sets- July 2007- i just looked back at it again, and I may have exaggerated in that the entire essay doesn't turn on AP being superior title, but I'd say its a pretty substantial component of the answer (imo at least- maybe im being paranoid)

I guess I'll just skim thru all 8 essays for each topic (if i can make it thru) in the hopes that I catch any weird nuances they might throw at us on Tuesday


Thanks! I think skimming through everything is a pretty safe bet at this point, on top of a general review with emphasis on trouble areas. I hear about folks grinding through last minute MBE questions. Not the worst idea if you're not dwelling on accuracy.

Thanks again. Good luck to you and to all.

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Re: July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

Postby FormerChild » Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:13 pm

Can anyone explain to me what the difference between (wills) Advancement and Ademption by Satisfaction is?

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Postby bballbb02 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:13 pm

Yeah I actually called the Barbra teacher on this yesterday. They are the same exact concept..satisfaction is just when there's a will involved and advancement is just when there is no will and there's only intestacy..

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Postby runthetrap1990 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:57 pm

Last minute Contract question:

I know U.C.C. presumes partial integration for sales contracts as it pertains to application of parol evidence. So I have three questions related to that. First, is the common law presumption that the written agreement is a complete integration? Second, given the U.C.C. presumption of partial integration, is the parol evidence of prior or contemporaneous agreements to the contract still inadmissible to change or contradict the terms where you are dealing with sale of goods? And finally, can you still admit oral evidence of a collateral provision that would not normally be contracted for in the current contract whether or not the contract is partially or completely integrated?

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Postby bballbb02 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:46 pm

runthetrap1990 wrote:Last minute Contract question:

I know U.C.C. presumes partial integration for sales contracts as it pertains to application of parol evidence. So I have three questions related to that. First, is the common law presumption that the written agreement is a complete integration? Second, given the U.C.C. presumption of partial integration, is the parol evidence of prior or contemporaneous agreements to the contract still inadmissible to change or contradict the terms where you are dealing with sale of goods? And finally, can you still admit oral evidence of a collateral provision that would not normally be contracted for in the current contract whether or not the contract is partially or completely integrated?


Not sure about the presumption but.. I know that even if it is partially integrated you can still only supplement or explain with parol evidence you cannot contradict...pretty sure the answer third question is yes you can as long as the K is silent on the issue and it is just supplementing...

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Re: July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

Postby bballbb02 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:49 pm

Adverse possession question..if you start adversely possessing and then the owner of the land dies or title is transferred to a new owner, your adverse possession is still good, correct? I think so because the disability must be apparent at the start of the adverse possession right.?

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Postby omar.comin » Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:59 pm

bballbb02 wrote:Adverse possession question..if you start adversely possessing and then the owner of the land dies or title is transferred to a new owner, your adverse possession is still good, correct? I think so because the disability must be apparent at the start of the adverse possession right.?


I remember seeing a question about this on Adaptibar/Barbri. It depends. If the disability existed at the start of adverse possession, then it tolls the date that AP began; otherwise, it's irrelevant.

So if A adverse possesses Blackacre from B, and B's daughter C is the successor in interest, then A's AP will be tolled if C was disabled at the start of A's AP even though C did not have title to Blackacre when A's AP started. If C became disabled at some later date, then you just disregard it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

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Postby cnk1220 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:25 pm

Good luck tomorrow everyone!

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Postby Scaramouche » Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:47 pm

Did anybody watch Jennifer the Blond's MPQ set review video and her "Grid" strategy, where you keep track of questions you skipped on a separate piece of paper? That looks awesome and I'm gonna do it, but uhhhh....

We aren't allowed scrap paper right? How are people doing this?

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Re: July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

Postby cricketlove00 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:48 pm

Jennifer is an idiot.

Also does anyone else feel like they've been run over by a truck? What was some of that shit.

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Re: July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

Postby Brian_Wildcat » Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:17 pm

Lol at those questions.

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Postby RCinDNA » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:04 pm

Some of then were so weirdly worded that I thought for sure a BarBri rep was going to pop up and say "Surprise!"

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Postby cricketlove00 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:09 am

RCinDNA wrote:Some of then were so weirdly worded that I thought for sure a BarBri rep was going to pop up and say "Surprise!"


Defense of third person? Marital adversity?

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Re: July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

Postby elcee1987 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:11 am

Anyone else start writing snarky comments on the questions in their test booklet? Some of the questions were just so insane, there was nothing left to do but write "good god what the hell man" at the top of it.

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Postby cricketlove00 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:46 am

elcee1987 wrote:Anyone else start writing snarky comments on the questions in their test booklet? Some of the questions were just so insane, there was nothing left to do but write "good god what the hell man" at the top of it.


I drew a lot of frowny faces.

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Re: July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

Postby cats » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:04 am

Scaramouche wrote:Did anybody watch Jennifer the Blond's MPQ set review video and her "Grid" strategy, where you keep track of questions you skipped on a separate piece of paper? That looks awesome and I'm gonna do it, but uhhhh....

We aren't allowed scrap paper right? How are people doing this?


Exactly. Lol at Barbri for not explaining this. And that "tip" came really late. Like way after you've already developed your whole strategy. I ended up just ticking the numbers on the bubble sheet.

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Re: July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

Postby NB12017 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:57 pm

I made a point of trying to avoid people after both days. Too many people seemed ready and willing to discuss things we agreed not to discuss. One of the downsides of not talking about something (or not being able to talk about specifics) is you do kind of lose out on the catharsis of commiserating over a shared experience. So I wanted to at least try to do that here, within the acceptable limits.

I took the Missouri bar. I walked out both days of the exam completely wrecked and distraught. As did everyone from my school. Nobody talked. Everyone shot each other looks, waved off any words of encouragement or discussion and headed straight for their room. The only people who seemed exceedingly confident were a big group from SLU and some guys from Carbondale.

I used two different services and parts of a third to prep for this. Felt like I had pretty good exposure to official and "less tested" material. Lots and lots of official material. And I have to say there were times during both days when I thought the exam felt a little malevolent. Like at some point it had ceased to be a minimum competency exam. Or maybe someone had been paying attention when those bar prep courses advised that a subject or area of law was "rarely tested." Maybe everyone feels that way after every exam?

Around social media (and here), there's a sentiment that Barbri somehow dropped the ball. Do you all think so? What could they have done differently (generally speaking)?

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Re: July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

Postby RDA2930 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:28 pm

I think time will tell re: Barbri dropping the ball. Obviously if pass rates are significantly lower, particularly for the MBE, that reflects Barbri having an issue (since it's the largest prep company IIRC). I think it is generally common, on TLS and elsewhere, to feel like you failed the MBE though.
Just my two cents, but I think part of it is that some questions are experimental, part of it is that NCBE doesn't release many recent questions (so it's tough to prepare for exactly how they test topics), and part of it is that the anxiety festers after the actual exam-- versus when you take a practice exam, you are immediately able to score yourself, and I think that is generally a comfort for most people.

That being said, I felt wildly unprepared for the MBE.

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Re: July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

Postby bmmccb223 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:50 pm

To some extent the bar exam is impossible to fully prepare for. There's so much material that a good portion of your success will come down to luck (e.g. the exam test on things you remember). It's a bit of a scam if you ask me.

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Re: July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

Postby cricketlove00 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:15 pm

I don't know if I would say that Barbri dropped the ball as there were things on the MBE that were tested on Barbri.

However, the test itself just felt different. It's hard to explain. The questions sounded different and often used weird language (maybe those were experimental). That being said, the things that seemed central to Barbri's program in various subjects (e.g., Miranda and fourth amendment searches for crim pro, equal protection and SDP for con law) were barely tested, while other parts of those subjects were heavily tested. I feel more misled than anything.

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Re: July 2017 -- Barbri UBE Hangout

Postby L_William_W » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:51 pm

bmmccb223 wrote:To some extent the bar exam is impossible to fully prepare for. There's so much material that a good portion of your success will come down to luck (e.g. the exam test on things you remember). It's a bit of a scam if you ask me.


Not to get into conspiracy theories, but the law business is like a private club. They only want a certain amount of people to become lawyers. The bar is deliberately designed to generate a bell curve. This is not a test of minimum competency- of course everyone knows the elements of adverse possession and negligence. It's basically a test to weed people out of the business. That's why they keep adding these esoteric topics to bar exams. If you look at the bar exams from the early-1990's, they were MUCH easier.




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