2017 July Illinois Bar

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby Nebby » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:03 pm

champloo wrote:
Yekcim Esuom wrote:So I don’t want to add to anyone’s anxiety but it does appear we will be getting our results on Friday. The Scoring Memo has been updated to reflect “July 2017 Bar Exam” and is dated for September 29, 2017. Additionally, the percentile charts have been updated for the July 2017 Bar Exam as well. The links are listed below for your viewing pleasure.

https://www.ilbaradmissions.org/july-2017-scoring-memo

https://www.ilbaradmissions.org/july2017-percentile-equivalent-charts


Didnt read the entire memo but does this mean theyre gonna actually give us our scores or just a pass/fail? I believe in the past they only gave score break downs for people who failed

Just pass fail. Only get scores if you fail

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby ndbigdave » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:10 pm

champloo wrote:
Yekcim Esuom wrote:So I don’t want to add to anyone’s anxiety but it does appear we will be getting our results on Friday. The Scoring Memo has been updated to reflect “July 2017 Bar Exam” and is dated for September 29, 2017. Additionally, the percentile charts have been updated for the July 2017 Bar Exam as well. The links are listed below for your viewing pleasure.

https://www.ilbaradmissions.org/july-2017-scoring-memo

https://www.ilbaradmissions.org/july2017-percentile-equivalent-charts


Didnt read the entire memo but does this mean theyre gonna actually give us our scores or just a pass/fail? I believe in the past they only gave score break downs for people who failed


Same scoring memo as in years past - just with updated release date.

Passers will get their "Congratulations!" notification - but no scores (which frankly I think is absolute garbage)

Those who fail will be provided a score report by next Monday/Tuesday (October 2 or 3).

If there is a positive to take from my quick reading of the results is that scores are generally high, looks like the overall passing rate is at 71.8% (for comparison it was listed as 72% for July 2016 when the actual rate was 71.5%)

Now...we wait.

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby RaceJudicata » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:43 am

ndbigdave wrote:
champloo wrote:
Yekcim Esuom wrote:So I don’t want to add to anyone’s anxiety but it does appear we will be getting our results on Friday. The Scoring Memo has been updated to reflect “July 2017 Bar Exam” and is dated for September 29, 2017. Additionally, the percentile charts have been updated for the July 2017 Bar Exam as well. The links are listed below for your viewing pleasure.

https://www.ilbaradmissions.org/july-2017-scoring-memo

https://www.ilbaradmissions.org/july2017-percentile-equivalent-charts


Didnt read the entire memo but does this mean theyre gonna actually give us our scores or just a pass/fail? I believe in the past they only gave score break downs for people who failed


Same scoring memo as in years past - just with updated release date.

Passers will get their "Congratulations!" notification - but no scores (which frankly I think is absolute garbage)

Those who fail will be provided a score report by next Monday/Tuesday (October 2 or 3).

If there is a positive to take from my quick reading of the results is that scores are generally high, looks like the overall passing rate is at 71.8% (for comparison it was listed as 72% for July 2016 when the actual rate was 71.5%)

Now...we wait.


Best of luck fellow Illinois bar takers. Wishing everyone success!

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby cron1834 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:35 am

Thanks Nebby, Mickey Mouse, and Dave for the info. Time to hurry up and wait.

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby Steve2207 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:56 pm

Does anyone happen to know roughly how many people took the IL exam this year, or what the approximate number of takers are each year for July and February?

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby Suprman37 » Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:46 pm

Steve2207 wrote:Does anyone happen to know roughly how many people took the IL exam this year, or what the approximate number of takers are each year for July and February?

I want to say that the NCBE has this information on their website. I remember looking at the ranking to see what the states ranks were for number of bar takers (NY, CA, TX, FL, IL...)

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby ndbigdave » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:35 am

Steve2207 wrote:Does anyone happen to know roughly how many people took the IL exam this year, or what the approximate number of takers are each year for July and February?


I had spoken to one of the proctors at the test center, I cant remember what the exact number was now, but if I do remember right I believe he told me 1,980 (just shy of 2,000 is how I remember it) now, that doesnt account for no-shows (I can speak to at least one who was in my row) but for simple math purposes:

Pass rate is: 71.8%
Approximate pool of test takers: 1,980
Passers: 1,422 (rounding to next full number)

For comparison sake:
There were 2,007 takers in July 2016 with 1,436 passers for a passrate of 71.5%
There were 884 takers in February 2016 with 557 passers for a passrate of 63%
(Can find the numbers here: http://www.ncbex.org/pdfviewer/?file=%2 ... ment%2F205)

Hope this helps.

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby bar123 » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:07 pm

ndbigdave wrote:
Steve2207 wrote:Does anyone happen to know roughly how many people took the IL exam this year, or what the approximate number of takers are each year for July and February?


I had spoken to one of the proctors at the test center, I cant remember what the exact number was now, but if I do remember right I believe he told me 1,980 (just shy of 2,000 is how I remember it) now, that doesnt account for no-shows (I can speak to at least one who was in my row) but for simple math purposes:

Pass rate is: 71.8%
Approximate pool of test takers: 1,980
Passers: 1,422 (rounding to next full number)

For comparison sake:
There were 2,007 takers in July 2016 with 1,436 passers for a passrate of 71.5%
There were 884 takers in February 2016 with 557 passers for a passrate of 63%
(Can find the numbers here: http://www.ncbex.org/pdfviewer/?file=%2 ... ment%2F205)

Hope this helps.


That's not entirely true. A friend of mine passed the February 2017 bar exam. During the ceremony they announced that the pass rate was 48%, one of the lowest ever in Illinois.

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby virgoyum » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:51 pm

bar123 wrote:
ndbigdave wrote:
Steve2207 wrote:Does anyone happen to know roughly how many people took the IL exam this year, or what the approximate number of takers are each year for July and February?


I had spoken to one of the proctors at the test center, I cant remember what the exact number was now, but if I do remember right I believe he told me 1,980 (just shy of 2,000 is how I remember it) now, that doesnt account for no-shows (I can speak to at least one who was in my row) but for simple math purposes:

Pass rate is: 71.8%
Approximate pool of test takers: 1,980
Passers: 1,422 (rounding to next full number)

For comparison sake:
There were 2,007 takers in July 2016 with 1,436 passers for a passrate of 71.5%
There were 884 takers in February 2016 with 557 passers for a passrate of 63%
(Can find the numbers here: http://www.ncbex.org/pdfviewer/?file=%2 ... ment%2F205)

Hope this helps.


That's not entirely true. A friend of mine passed the February 2017 bar exam. During the ceremony they announced that the pass rate was 48%, one of the lowest ever in Illinois.


This is true because some testers may only be sitting for essay day. I think the Illinois passing rate is the percentage of takers who sit for the entire exam and pass.

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby ndbigdave » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:59 pm

I have never seen a specific breakdown of how the numbers are counted.

For instance, will those who transfer an MBE to IL and only take the essays be considered as a part of first time takers? Are they included in the normal pool of applicants? No clue.

Someone had asked how many people sat for the test this year, I had asked a proctor and I BELIEVE the number was 1,980 which is in line with July 2016 which had 2,007.

Using the rough approximation of takers and the KNOWN pass rate I could run the math to give an approximate number of people who passed. I did so as someone had asked.

The score breakdown sheet speaks for itself. Scores have plateaued the last two years after having scores drop and drop (part of the reason being the raising of the score from 264 to 266). It is also encouraging that July 2017 is technically a bit higher than July 2016 even in light of the change to the MBE (regarding the 25 experimental questions). I'm encouraged by what I see with these scores.

February 2016 on the other hand was a straight up shit show...

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby Bar1Taker » Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:51 pm

Good luck everyone with the results.
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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby virgoyum » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:55 pm

ndbigdave wrote:I have never seen a specific breakdown of how the numbers are counted.

For instance, will those who transfer an MBE to IL and only take the essays be considered as a part of first time takers? Are they included in the normal pool of applicants? No clue.

Someone had asked how many people sat for the test this year, I had asked a proctor and I BELIEVE the number was 1,980 which is in line with July 2016 which had 2,007.

Using the rough approximation of takers and the KNOWN pass rate I could run the math to give an approximate number of people who passed. I did so as someone had asked.

The score breakdown sheet speaks for itself. Scores have plateaued the last two years after having scores drop and drop (part of the reason being the raising of the score from 264 to 266). It is also encouraging that July 2017 is technically a bit higher than July 2016 even in light of the change to the MBE (regarding the 25 experimental questions). I'm encouraged by what I see with these scores.

February 2016 on the other hand was a straight up shit show...


It was, I sat in February. Retook this July. I felt the content was much more difficult this time around. NCBE went evil genius with respect to those MBE Questions. I felt they repeatedly threw in choice of law/forum selection to throw us off of the area of law. I stayed off the forums because I didn't even want to obsess over the questions for a second.

Thankfully I'm flying out to Montego Bay early Friday so whatever happens, I'll be somewhere great.

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby virgoyum » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:39 am

Nebby wrote:
uhhuhjulia wrote:
ndbigdave wrote:
uhhuhjulia wrote:
Suprman37 wrote:
ndbigdave wrote:
Southpaw89 wrote:Anyone think results could be released today?

#hopeful


My best educated guess is NEXT Friday, the 29th. Just going through some historical trends and I certainly cannot promise anything.

I'm thinking the exact same. I remember them saying in the forum that it would be the end of September.


its surreal that this is our last week of waiting to hear our fates :shock:


I am thrilled the end is nigh - of course some nervousness, but cant wait to know and be done with the process.

I am really banking on Friday the 29th will be the day, and will be disappointed if it doesnt happen.[/quote

do they usually come at midnight when they're posted or sometime during the day? wanna know if I need to stay up or wake up and constantly check my email all day friday.

They are rolling. Last year, they started at 1PM and didn't finish rolling out until like 7PM. My buddy got his around 1:30PM and I got mine around 3:30PM. Another friend got his around 5PM.


If they roll out the same as last July. February 2017 I got the bad news a little after 8:30am. Last name starts with A.

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:39 pm

ndbigdave wrote:The score breakdown sheet speaks for itself. Scores have plateaued the last two years after having scores drop and drop (part of the reason being the raising of the score from 264 to 266). It is also encouraging that July 2017 is technically a bit higher than July 2016 even in light of the change to the MBE (regarding the 25 experimental questions). I'm encouraged by what I see with these scores.


Maybe I'm slow but what change to the MBE?

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby MT Cicero » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:42 pm

BaberhamLincoln wrote:
ndbigdave wrote:The score breakdown sheet speaks for itself. Scores have plateaued the last two years after having scores drop and drop (part of the reason being the raising of the score from 264 to 266). It is also encouraging that July 2017 is technically a bit higher than July 2016 even in light of the change to the MBE (regarding the 25 experimental questions). I'm encouraged by what I see with these scores.


Maybe I'm slow but what change to the MBE?


Pretty sure it used to be that 190 questions "counted" for equating purposes, and 10 were experimental. Now it's 175/25.

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby virgoyum » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:43 pm

BaberhamLincoln wrote:
ndbigdave wrote:The score breakdown sheet speaks for itself. Scores have plateaued the last two years after having scores drop and drop (part of the reason being the raising of the score from 264 to 266). It is also encouraging that July 2017 is technically a bit higher than July 2016 even in light of the change to the MBE (regarding the 25 experimental questions). I'm encouraged by what I see with these scores.


Maybe I'm slow but what change to the MBE?


Prior to Feb 2017, 190 questions were scored with 10 pretest questions. It changed to 175 scored, 25 pretest questions.

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby ndbigdave » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:02 pm

virgoyum wrote:
BaberhamLincoln wrote:
ndbigdave wrote:The score breakdown sheet speaks for itself. Scores have plateaued the last two years after having scores drop and drop (part of the reason being the raising of the score from 264 to 266). It is also encouraging that July 2017 is technically a bit higher than July 2016 even in light of the change to the MBE (regarding the 25 experimental questions). I'm encouraged by what I see with these scores.


Maybe I'm slow but what change to the MBE?


Prior to Feb 2017, 190 questions were scored with 10 pretest questions. It changed to 175 scored, 25 pretest questions.


This is correct.

Many people, myself included, thought the change may negatively effect scores. In my case I went from a 141 in MI for July 2015 to a 139 for February 2017, though in my opinion I put in more effort the second time around. Part of me still believes that February 2017 was negatively affected as it is a smaller sample size and the first time the test was being scaled with 175 questions. That's just a guess however.

This July, scores are up Nationwide and the overall pass rate is technically up for Illinois as well. An accumulative rate of basically 72% seems reasonable from my perspective (again pure opinion).

I am very happy to KNOW results are tomorrow, however the wait will be painful if results don't push out in the early AM.

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby uhhuhjulia » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:56 pm

Are results in the email or do we have to log in to view them?

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby Southpaw89 » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:29 pm

uhhuhjulia wrote:Are results in the email or do we have to log in to view them?


I believe they email us informing us that they're posted, and then we log into our personal account page to read the letter.

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:38 pm

I totally followed the fact that the scoring letter changed to tomorrows date and the fact that in years passed it's been Sept 30/Oct 1, but do we really KNOW 100% theyll be tomorrow or is Monday an option?

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Postby uhhuhjulia » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:50 pm

BaberhamLincoln wrote:I totally followed the fact that the scoring letter changed to tomorrows date and the fact that in years passed it's been Sept 30/Oct 1, but do we really KNOW 100% theyll be tomorrow or is Monday an option?


A friend of mine said her IL bar app advisor (forgot their actual title) told her results come tomorrow

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby ndbigdave » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:19 pm

BaberhamLincoln wrote:I totally followed the fact that the scoring letter changed to tomorrows date and the fact that in years passed it's been Sept 30/Oct 1, but do we really KNOW 100% theyll be tomorrow or is Monday an option?


Very few things are 100%, but in this case short of an act of God, the scores will be released at some point tomorrow.

You will get an email to check your account, you will have a message entitled Exam Results, click on it and your pass or fail response will be there.

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby cron1834 » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:38 pm

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby Al_Decisis » Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:41 pm

Good luck to everyone tomorrow. I've been a wreck all day and I cannot wait for all of this to be over.

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Re: 2017 July Illinois Bar

Postby virgoyum » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:20 pm

Hopefully I'll be drunk when they are released. I didn't sleep a wink last night. Was in the the office completely distracted BUT WIDE AWAKE.




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