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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby happyhour1122 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:30 am

blaze1306 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:I am looking for a UBE study partner. I anticipate beginning to study again for the July exam next week.



Ok so I got a little more information on my Feb exam and this is why I need a study partner. It is apparent I have NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING!

Scale 1-6
MEE 1: Contracts-3
MEE 2: Trust and Future Interest-2
MEE 3: Family Law and Conflicts of Law-3
MEE 4: Corporations-3
MEE 5: Agency-5
MEE 6: Real Property-2

I am still waiting on my actual answers and representative answers from the bar...I am at a loss.



OK so know that you felt better on Agency, and obviously the score tells you that you did EXCELLENT.
You told us that your family law was lacking, so you got a 3.
How did you feel about real property? looking at the returned MEE, or in retrospect, what do you think your issue was?
Trust...lets not talk about it.
Contracts and corporations...= if you can be more specific on what you wrote, perhaps people here can help you what arguments could have been raised?

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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby blaze1306 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:38 am

happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:I am looking for a UBE study partner. I anticipate beginning to study again for the July exam next week.



Ok so I got a little more information on my Feb exam and this is why I need a study partner. It is apparent I have NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING!

Scale 1-6
MEE 1: Contracts-3
MEE 2: Trust and Future Interest-2
MEE 3: Family Law and Conflicts of Law-3
MEE 4: Corporations-3
MEE 5: Agency-5
MEE 6: Real Property-2

I am still waiting on my actual answers and representative answers from the bar...I am at a loss.



OK so know that you felt better on Agency, and obviously the score tells you that you did EXCELLENT.
You told us that your family law was lacking, so you got a 3.
How did you feel about real property? looking at the returned MEE, or in retrospect, what do you think your issue was?
Trust...lets not talk about it.
Contracts and corporations...= if you can be more specific on what you wrote, perhaps people here can help you what arguments could have been raised?



I wrote the most for real property and all I get is a 2!?!

Still waiting on answers hopefully they will et here soon, the more I look at these the madder I get. It makes no sense.

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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby happyhour1122 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:43 am

blaze1306 wrote:
happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:I am looking for a UBE study partner. I anticipate beginning to study again for the July exam next week.



Ok so I got a little more information on my Feb exam and this is why I need a study partner. It is apparent I have NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING!

Scale 1-6
MEE 1: Contracts-3
MEE 2: Trust and Future Interest-2
MEE 3: Family Law and Conflicts of Law-3
MEE 4: Corporations-3
MEE 5: Agency-5
MEE 6: Real Property-2

I am still waiting on my actual answers and representative answers from the bar...I am at a loss.



OK so know that you felt better on Agency, and obviously the score tells you that you did EXCELLENT.
You told us that your family law was lacking, so you got a 3.
How did you feel about real property? looking at the returned MEE, or in retrospect, what do you think your issue was?
Trust...lets not talk about it.
Contracts and corporations...= if you can be more specific on what you wrote, perhaps people here can help you what arguments could have been raised?



I wrote the most for real property and all I get is a 2!?!

Still waiting on answers hopefully they will et here soon, the more I look at these the madder I get. It makes no sense.



I guess more writing does not equally to more points. I never understood how this but.... I guess I'll have to accept.
Perhaps the other poster was right. Maybe explanation isn't necessary just go straight to the point. I am not saying this with confidence. But looking at your score, you were so damn close. I wish I could change that real property to 3 and trust to 3. It would have been a pass.

Real property was the tenant landlord case right?
I can't remember exactly what I've put, but I mentioned
- contract issue as there was no signature
- tenant had 2 year lease
- it was an office so no habitability issue
- gave notice to landlord
- the K didn't indicate that the landlord was responsible for the maintenance.
- After tenant left, landlord took reasonable action to find someone else/ mitigated despite its failure to find a replaement.
- conclusion was that the tenant had to pay full price.

thats all I remember...

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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby SilvermanBarPrep » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:16 am

I think your epiphany is a really important one. Focusing too much on the law is like trying to learn how to play chess by reading the rulebook that comes with the game or like trying to learn how to play the piano by learning the notes to a song. Without knowing the law you won't know how to 'play the game' but learning the law is not nearly enough to get to the level of competence (which is far below expertise, though) that you need to pass a bar exam. You need to incorporate practice into your training and that means writing essays and doing many, many MBE questions.

There really are only two components to excelling on a bar exam: knowing the law, and having the skills to apply the law that you know. Treat each components pretty much equally and you'll be prepared to score the points that you need to pass.

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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby LockBox » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:36 am

SilvermanBarPrep wrote:I think your epiphany is a really important one. Focusing too much on the law is like trying to learn how to play chess by reading the rulebook that comes with the game or like trying to learn how to play the piano by learning the notes to a song. Without knowing the law you won't know how to 'play the game' but learning the law is not nearly enough to get to the level of competence (which is far below expertise, though) that you need to pass a bar exam. You need to incorporate practice into your training and that means writing essays and doing many, many MBE questions.

There really are only two components to excelling on a bar exam: knowing the law, and having the skills to apply the law that you know. Treat each components pretty much equally and you'll be prepared to score the points that you need to pass.

Sean (Silverman Bar Prep)
http://www.mbetutorial.blogspot.com


Great post. The only thing I would like to add is that it is my belief that you cannot "know" the law, until you have acquired the skills to apply the law. Sure, reading the bll for felony murder in an outline is great, much like seeing the notes on a page of sheet music - however, until you know where to apply that rule, and how to apply it, I would argue you don't really "know" it. That's where practice comes in.

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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby blaze1306 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:43 am

happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:I am looking for a UBE study partner. I anticipate beginning to study again for the July exam next week.



Ok so I got a little more information on my Feb exam and this is why I need a study partner. It is apparent I have NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING!

Scale 1-6
MEE 1: Contracts-3
MEE 2: Trust and Future Interest-2
MEE 3: Family Law and Conflicts of Law-3
MEE 4: Corporations-3
MEE 5: Agency-5
MEE 6: Real Property-2

I am still waiting on my actual answers and representative answers from the bar...I am at a loss.



OK so know that you felt better on Agency, and obviously the score tells you that you did EXCELLENT.
You told us that your family law was lacking, so you got a 3.
How did you feel about real property? looking at the returned MEE, or in retrospect, what do you think your issue was?
Trust...lets not talk about it.
Contracts and corporations...= if you can be more specific on what you wrote, perhaps people here can help you what arguments could have been raised?



I wrote the most for real property and all I get is a 2!?!

Still waiting on answers hopefully they will et here soon, the more I look at these the madder I get. It makes no sense.



I guess more writing does not equally to more points. I never understood how this but.... I guess I'll have to accept.
Perhaps the other poster was right. Maybe explanation isn't necessary just go straight to the point. I am not saying this with confidence. But looking at your score, you were so damn close. I wish I could change that real property to 3 and trust to 3. It would have been a pass.

Real property was the tenant landlord case right?
I can't remember exactly what I've put, but I mentioned
- contract issue as there was no signature
- tenant had 2 year lease
- it was an office so no habitability issue
- gave notice to landlord
- the K didn't indicate that the landlord was responsible for the maintenance.
- After tenant left, landlord took reasonable action to find someone else/ mitigated despite its failure to find a replaement.
- conclusion was that the tenant had to pay full price.

thats all I remember...



So another crazy issue I have is scaled scoring. The actual numerical difference from last July was one question going from a 2 to a 5 and bombing one MPT.
This time I had 23 total MEE+ MPT points scaled to a 123.3
In July I had 25 total MEE+ MPT points scaled to a 134

So by my calculations the loss of 2 total written points scaled to a loss of 9.1 scaled points.

Now I understand there is a curve, and the score is scaled to the difficulty compared to previous years etc. I think this lends credibility to my argument that its as much overall luck and individual question knowledge than skill. The test is broken into thirds. Two hard, two intermediate and two easier questions. If you nail 3-4 of the 6 questions regardless of difficulty you can get 15 points. Twos and threes on the other 3 questions and your right at 23-25 points depending on the scaling, 135-142. This is even more convoluted when I guessed and got a 3 on one question, but wrote ( what I felt was a good answer) on another questionr and got a 2. If you happen to get 3-4 questions you absolutely know cold, for what ever reason, it just resonates with you, you studied it recently or just like the rule and exceptions and can articulate them(to the graders satisfaction) your golden if you get average scores on the remaining 2-3 questions.

I don't understand. Maybe I'm over thinking it but I don't see more than the need to know a little and getting some luck with random subjects you are strong in. Though that doesn't seem correct either because I felt I knew a lot about the real property question and it still didn't translate to exam success...

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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby happyhour1122 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:49 am

blaze1306 wrote:
happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:I am looking for a UBE study partner. I anticipate beginning to study again for the July exam next week.



Ok so I got a little more information on my Feb exam and this is why I need a study partner. It is apparent I have NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING!

Scale 1-6
MEE 1: Contracts-3
MEE 2: Trust and Future Interest-2
MEE 3: Family Law and Conflicts of Law-3
MEE 4: Corporations-3
MEE 5: Agency-5
MEE 6: Real Property-2

I am still waiting on my actual answers and representative answers from the bar...I am at a loss.



OK so know that you felt better on Agency, and obviously the score tells you that you did EXCELLENT.
You told us that your family law was lacking, so you got a 3.
How did you feel about real property? looking at the returned MEE, or in retrospect, what do you think your issue was?
Trust...lets not talk about it.
Contracts and corporations...= if you can be more specific on what you wrote, perhaps people here can help you what arguments could have been raised?



I wrote the most for real property and all I get is a 2!?!

Still waiting on answers hopefully they will et here soon, the more I look at these the madder I get. It makes no sense.



I guess more writing does not equally to more points. I never understood how this but.... I guess I'll have to accept.
Perhaps the other poster was right. Maybe explanation isn't necessary just go straight to the point. I am not saying this with confidence. But looking at your score, you were so damn close. I wish I could change that real property to 3 and trust to 3. It would have been a pass.

Real property was the tenant landlord case right?
I can't remember exactly what I've put, but I mentioned
- contract issue as there was no signature
- tenant had 2 year lease
- it was an office so no habitability issue
- gave notice to landlord
- the K didn't indicate that the landlord was responsible for the maintenance.
- After tenant left, landlord took reasonable action to find someone else/ mitigated despite its failure to find a replaement.
- conclusion was that the tenant had to pay full price.

thats all I remember...



So another crazy issue I have is scaled scoring. The actual numerical difference from last July was one question going from a 2 to a 5 and bombing one MPT.
This time I had 23 total MEE+ MPT points scaled to a 123.3
In July I had 25 total MEE+ MPT points scaled to a 134

So by my calculations the loss of 2 total written points scaled to a loss of 9.1 scaled points.

Now I understand there is a curve, and the score is scaled to the difficulty compared to previous years etc. I think this lends credibility to my argument that its as much overall luck and individual question knowledge than skill. The test is broken into thirds. Two hard, two intermediate and two easier questions. If you nail 3-4 of the 6 questions regardless of difficulty you can get 15 points. Twos and threes on the other 3 questions and your right at 23-25 points depending on the scaling, 135-142. This is even more convoluted when I guessed and got a 3 on one question, but wrote ( what I felt was a good answer) on another questionr and got a 2. If you happen to get 3-4 questions you absolutely know cold, for what ever reason, it just resonates with you, you studied it recently or just like the rule and exceptions and can articulate them(to the graders satisfaction) your golden if you get average scores on the remaining 2-3 questions.

I don't understand. Maybe I'm over thinking it but I don't see more than the need to know a little and getting some luck with random subjects you are strong in. Though that doesn't seem correct either because I felt I knew a lot about the real property question and it still didn't translate to exam success...



Ok, then, lets compare with your agency vs. your property essay.
you have told us your confidence with agency law. what about property? Dont' hate me for saying this, but sometimes you don't know what you are doing wrong (or missed), therefore comparing other arguments can be helpful. This was my mistake in my first exam. I thought I did well,, until I saw other people's essays. I hope (to accept score 2) there were many arguments you did not raise. From seeing your other posts, your agency rule and application seem very close to what others wrote. Now, in terms of property, lets see what you've missed for you to get score 2.

Let me add one more. You are NOT overthinking this. In my opinion, this is necessary to find out how/what you can change in your next exam. Its definitely not over thinking.

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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby chuckfin0808 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:57 am

happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
chuckfin0808 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
chuckfin0808 wrote:Passed on the third try with a full-time job. i know your frustration and pain, but YOU CAN DO THIS.

How much time are you spending actually practicing questions? If you are going into your third attempt, you most likely know the information. I know its easy to think that if we know the info perfectly, the answer will just shoot out of us on test day. I found this not to be true. Looking back now, I know that I overdid it with studying the information and making outlines to learn the info. Third time around, I put away the books and the outlines and focused on practice questions. I took the first two weeks of studying to review the material and the rest of my study months doing practice questions timed. Once I completed the question I looked over the model answer to catch the points I missed. If there is a specific topic of the law that I was weak in, I would go back to my study material and only review that topic. Then I would redo the question. I also mixed up the subject I was studying. So each day, I would do practice questions from all tested subjects, and not just "family law one day, property the next day." I think this helped my mind make the switch between subjects on test day smoothly.

This strategy improved my score dramatically. Now , if you feel you need to learn more info, then do so. Just don't forget that practicing for the exam is just as important (if not more important than knowing the info.) This strategy also greatly reduced my exam day stress.



I like your ideas and congrats on passing. My biggest fear (and it happened on the Feb exam) is getting a question or two I know nothing about. I guessed on the family law question. But the crazy thing is I still got a 3. I wrote a book for the real property question and got a 2 or 3. I think you maybe right that I need to concentrate on completing a good answer. The problem is I don't think I could identify a good answer if my life depended on it. I studied, and did a lot of MBE question from Adaptibar but still I had no success. I don't seem to be putting together what I know down on "paper". I'm putting down information...even in the right format (IRAC) but apparently not what the graders want. What source do you suggest for questions and answers? I need to figure out how to put down what the graders want, not I feel like I know.

One issue I feel like I have is, during the test, I read the question once or twice at the most and assuming I think I know something about the subject I take off like a shot and begin writing. My typing is a bit slow but my hand writing is so sloppy this is the best option. I finish right on time (30 minutes per question) but I don't think my black letter law and analysis is correct or comprehensive. Suggestions?


Thanks! I took the Texas Bar exam and they post past questions and answers to the website. I went back to the 2005 Feb test and worked each question for every test (Until Feb 2016)
I also used Adaptibar. Their mobile app allowed me to get a few questions in before work, at lunch, and on break.

I was given the advice that the graders know the law, so you don't have to repeat it for them. I changed this:

According to the facts, Bob and Sue are married. They bought the Whiteacre property during the marriage in 2008. Texas law classifies property that is acquired after marriage is presumed to be community property. In accordance to Texas law, each spouse is entitled to a 50% undivided interest in all community property. Therefore, both Bob and Sue each own an undivided 50% interest...

To this:

Since Bob and Sue bought Whiteacre during their marriage, Whiteacre is assumed to be community property and each spouse is entitled to an undivided 50% interest.

It's not about proving how much you know. Just get to the point. If you start practicing condensing issue spotting with the law, you will get much faster and you more likely will hit all the issues. The first two exams I took, I wasted time stating law. Though my law was right, I missed valuable points for smaller issues.



That's interesting... I can see how that would help me save time.




wow, this is totally different from what I was taught.

According to the facts, Bob and Sue are married. They bought the Whiteacre property during the marriage in 2008. Texas law classifies property that is acquired after marriage is presumed to be community property. In accordance to Texas law, each spouse is entitled to a 50% undivided interest in all community property. Therefore, both Bob and Sue each own an undivided 50% interest...

To this:

Since Bob and Sue bought Whiteacre during their marriage, Whiteacre is assumed to be community property and each spouse is entitled to an undivided 50% interest.

It's not about proving how much you know. Just get to the point. If you start practicing condensing issue spotting with the law, you will get much faster and you more likely will hit all the issues. The first two exams I took, I wasted time stating law. Though my law was right, I missed valuable points for smaller issues.


I was taught to write the full rule (like the first example) above...I hope I didn't do bad again this time :x
I did like the second example in my first exam...and was told that's where I lost a lot of points[/quote]

It may differ from state to state. But I was told that on my first two times that I took the test I did it the first way and I missed points of analysis because I spent too much time writing out what the law is. The third time I took and pass, I used the second format for all the questions. I was so nervous when I reviewed my answer since it was so much shorter than what I thought it should be. But it worked for me. And I can say for sure I got 1 essay answer COMPLETELY WRONG. Damn you commercial leases.

Yea, I was taught in law school to answer the first way as well. :|

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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby keepgoing2016 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:00 pm

blaze1306 wrote:
happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:I am looking for a UBE study partner. I anticipate beginning to study again for the July exam next week.



Ok so I got a little more information on my Feb exam and this is why I need a study partner. It is apparent I have NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING!

Scale 1-6
MEE 1: Contracts-3
MEE 2: Trust and Future Interest-2
MEE 3: Family Law and Conflicts of Law-3
MEE 4: Corporations-3
MEE 5: Agency-5
MEE 6: Real Property-2

I am still waiting on my actual answers and representative answers from the bar...I am at a loss.



OK so know that you felt better on Agency, and obviously the score tells you that you did EXCELLENT.
You told us that your family law was lacking, so you got a 3.
How did you feel about real property? looking at the returned MEE, or in retrospect, what do you think your issue was?
Trust...lets not talk about it.
Contracts and corporations...= if you can be more specific on what you wrote, perhaps people here can help you what arguments could have been raised?



I wrote the most for real property and all I get is a 2!?!

Still waiting on answers hopefully they will et here soon, the more I look at these the madder I get. It makes no sense.



I guess more writing does not equally to more points. I never understood how this but.... I guess I'll have to accept.
Perhaps the other poster was right. Maybe explanation isn't necessary just go straight to the point. I am not saying this with confidence. But looking at your score, you were so damn close. I wish I could change that real property to 3 and trust to 3. It would have been a pass.

Real property was the tenant landlord case right?
I can't remember exactly what I've put, but I mentioned
- contract issue as there was no signature
- tenant had 2 year lease
- it was an office so no habitability issue
- gave notice to landlord
- the K didn't indicate that the landlord was responsible for the maintenance.
- After tenant left, landlord took reasonable action to find someone else/ mitigated despite its failure to find a replaement.
- conclusion was that the tenant had to pay full price.

thats all I remember...



So another crazy issue I have is scaled scoring. The actual numerical difference from last July was one question going from a 2 to a 5 and bombing one MPT.
This time I had 23 total MEE+ MPT points scaled to a 123.3
In July I had 25 total MEE+ MPT points scaled to a 134

So by my calculations the loss of 2 total written points scaled to a loss of 9.1 scaled points.

Now I understand there is a curve, and the score is scaled to the difficulty compared to previous years etc. I think this lends credibility to my argument that its as much overall luck and individual question knowledge than skill. The test is broken into thirds. Two hard, two intermediate and two easier questions. If you nail 3-4 of the 6 questions regardless of difficulty you can get 15 points. Twos and threes on the other 3 questions and your right at 23-25 points depending on the scaling, 135-142. This is even more convoluted when I guessed and got a 3 on one question, but wrote ( what I felt was a good answer) on another questionr and got a 2. If you happen to get 3-4 questions you absolutely know cold, for what ever reason, it just resonates with you, you studied it recently or just like the rule and exceptions and can articulate them(to the graders satisfaction) your golden if you get average scores on the remaining 2-3 questions.

I don't understand. Maybe I'm over thinking it but I don't see more than the need to know a little and getting some luck with random subjects you are strong in. Though that doesn't seem correct either because I felt I knew a lot about the real property question and it still didn't translate to exam success...


If you don't mind me asking, how far off were you this time around?

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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby blaze1306 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:04 pm

happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:I am looking for a UBE study partner. I anticipate beginning to study again for the July exam next week.



Ok so I got a little more information on my Feb exam and this is why I need a study partner. It is apparent I have NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING!

Scale 1-6
MEE 1: Contracts-3
MEE 2: Trust and Future Interest-2
MEE 3: Family Law and Conflicts of Law-3
MEE 4: Corporations-3
MEE 5: Agency-5
MEE 6: Real Property-2

I am still waiting on my actual answers and representative answers from the bar...I am at a loss.



OK so know that you felt better on Agency, and obviously the score tells you that you did EXCELLENT.
You told us that your family law was lacking, so you got a 3.
How did you feel about real property? looking at the returned MEE, or in retrospect, what do you think your issue was?
Trust...lets not talk about it.
Contracts and corporations...= if you can be more specific on what you wrote, perhaps people here can help you what arguments could have been raised?



I wrote the most for real property and all I get is a 2!?!

Still waiting on answers hopefully they will et here soon, the more I look at these the madder I get. It makes no sense.



I guess more writing does not equally to more points. I never understood how this but.... I guess I'll have to accept.
Perhaps the other poster was right. Maybe explanation isn't necessary just go straight to the point. I am not saying this with confidence. But looking at your score, you were so damn close. I wish I could change that real property to 3 and trust to 3. It would have been a pass.

Real property was the tenant landlord case right?
I can't remember exactly what I've put, but I mentioned
- contract issue as there was no signature
- tenant had 2 year lease
- it was an office so no habitability issue
- gave notice to landlord
- the K didn't indicate that the landlord was responsible for the maintenance.
- After tenant left, landlord took reasonable action to find someone else/ mitigated despite its failure to find a replaement.
- conclusion was that the tenant had to pay full price.

thats all I remember...



So another crazy issue I have is scaled scoring. The actual numerical difference from last July was one question going from a 2 to a 5 and bombing one MPT.
This time I had 23 total MEE+ MPT points scaled to a 123.3
In July I had 25 total MEE+ MPT points scaled to a 134

So by my calculations the loss of 2 total written points scaled to a loss of 9.1 scaled points.

Now I understand there is a curve, and the score is scaled to the difficulty compared to previous years etc. I think this lends credibility to my argument that its as much overall luck and individual question knowledge than skill. The test is broken into thirds. Two hard, two intermediate and two easier questions. If you nail 3-4 of the 6 questions regardless of difficulty you can get 15 points. Twos and threes on the other 3 questions and your right at 23-25 points depending on the scaling, 135-142. This is even more convoluted when I guessed and got a 3 on one question, but wrote ( what I felt was a good answer) on another questionr and got a 2. If you happen to get 3-4 questions you absolutely know cold, for what ever reason, it just resonates with you, you studied it recently or just like the rule and exceptions and can articulate them(to the graders satisfaction) your golden if you get average scores on the remaining 2-3 questions.

I don't understand. Maybe I'm over thinking it but I don't see more than the need to know a little and getting some luck with random subjects you are strong in. Though that doesn't seem correct either because I felt I knew a lot about the real property question and it still didn't translate to exam success...



Ok, then, lets compare with your agency vs. your property essay.
you have told us your confidence with agency law. what about property? Dont' hate me for saying this, but sometimes you don't know what you are doing wrong (or missed), therefore comparing other arguments can be helpful. This was my mistake in my first exam. I thought I did well,, until I saw other people's essays. I hope (to accept score 2) there were many arguments you did not raise. From seeing your other posts, your agency rule and application seem very close to what others wrote. Now, in terms of property, lets see what you've missed for you to get score 2.

Let me add one more. You are NOT overthinking this. In my opinion, this is necessary to find out how/what you can change in your next exam. Its definitely not over thinking.


Your right...I'm just going a little buggy with my frustration and the "coulda, woulda shoulda". Looking back on model answers form the July exam I saw where I could have done better. That doesn't make me feel better. WHERE do I begin to get better? My way isn't working and if I'm going to blow up everything and start over practice seems to be the overwhelming consensus.

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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby blaze1306 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:07 pm

keepgoing2016 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
happyhour1122 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:
blaze1306 wrote:I am looking for a UBE study partner. I anticipate beginning to study again for the July exam next week.



Ok so I got a little more information on my Feb exam and this is why I need a study partner. It is apparent I have NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING!

Scale 1-6
MEE 1: Contracts-3
MEE 2: Trust and Future Interest-2
MEE 3: Family Law and Conflicts of Law-3
MEE 4: Corporations-3
MEE 5: Agency-5
MEE 6: Real Property-2

I am still waiting on my actual answers and representative answers from the bar...I am at a loss.



OK so know that you felt better on Agency, and obviously the score tells you that you did EXCELLENT.
You told us that your family law was lacking, so you got a 3.
How did you feel about real property? looking at the returned MEE, or in retrospect, what do you think your issue was?
Trust...lets not talk about it.
Contracts and corporations...= if you can be more specific on what you wrote, perhaps people here can help you what arguments could have been raised?



I wrote the most for real property and all I get is a 2!?!

Still waiting on answers hopefully they will et here soon, the more I look at these the madder I get. It makes no sense.



I guess more writing does not equally to more points. I never understood how this but.... I guess I'll have to accept.
Perhaps the other poster was right. Maybe explanation isn't necessary just go straight to the point. I am not saying this with confidence. But looking at your score, you were so damn close. I wish I could change that real property to 3 and trust to 3. It would have been a pass.

Real property was the tenant landlord case right?
I can't remember exactly what I've put, but I mentioned
- contract issue as there was no signature
- tenant had 2 year lease
- it was an office so no habitability issue
- gave notice to landlord
- the K didn't indicate that the landlord was responsible for the maintenance.
- After tenant left, landlord took reasonable action to find someone else/ mitigated despite its failure to find a replaement.
- conclusion was that the tenant had to pay full price.

thats all I remember...



So another crazy issue I have is scaled scoring. The actual numerical difference from last July was one question going from a 2 to a 5 and bombing one MPT.
This time I had 23 total MEE+ MPT points scaled to a 123.3
In July I had 25 total MEE+ MPT points scaled to a 134

So by my calculations the loss of 2 total written points scaled to a loss of 9.1 scaled points.

Now I understand there is a curve, and the score is scaled to the difficulty compared to previous years etc. I think this lends credibility to my argument that its as much overall luck and individual question knowledge than skill. The test is broken into thirds. Two hard, two intermediate and two easier questions. If you nail 3-4 of the 6 questions regardless of difficulty you can get 15 points. Twos and threes on the other 3 questions and your right at 23-25 points depending on the scaling, 135-142. This is even more convoluted when I guessed and got a 3 on one question, but wrote ( what I felt was a good answer) on another questionr and got a 2. If you happen to get 3-4 questions you absolutely know cold, for what ever reason, it just resonates with you, you studied it recently or just like the rule and exceptions and can articulate them(to the graders satisfaction) your golden if you get average scores on the remaining 2-3 questions.

I don't understand. Maybe I'm over thinking it but I don't see more than the need to know a little and getting some luck with random subjects you are strong in. Though that doesn't seem correct either because I felt I knew a lot about the real property question and it still didn't translate to exam success...


If you don't mind me asking, how far off were you this time around?



243 needed a 260

July I got a 249 I seem to be moving farther away from success.

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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby happyhour1122 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:13 pm

I think I failed my exam.
I was not even close to passing on my first exam. i failed. now I"m thinking,,,,is it possible to increase that much score?
I know my friend has.....i'm losing confidence...I'm with you OP..

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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby blaze1306 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:45 pm

happyhour1122 wrote:I think I failed my exam.
I was not even close to passing on my first exam. i failed. now I"m thinking,,,,is it possible to increase that much score?
I know my friend has.....i'm losing confidence...I'm with you OP..



You cant know until you get your scores ANYTHING can happen. My mentor was SURE he failed...he got a 296.

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Re: Two Time Loser Study Tips

Postby happyhour1122 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:06 pm

i'm just so scared :oops:
Its like waiting to be caught for doing something bad.
that feeling when the nurse is about to needle you, you wish she would just hurry up and get it over with.



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