Re: FEB 2017 NEW YORK BAR RESULTS [VOTE AGAIN]
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:00 pm
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PersistentAttorney wrote:JoeSeperac wrote:scoomer wrote:F17fighterpilot wrote:Scoomer: you should pass. No need to worry. As long as you do average or even slighty below average on the MEE and MPT, you'll have well above a 266. Your 148 is awesome, and means you only need a 118 on the rest. Not getting to give you false hope but I'd be super proud of your MBE and dual bar chances.
As for the foreigners comment. I misspoke slightly, I was including them as well as a larger percentage of non-first-time takers as a potential hypothetical as to why F17 might be harder historically. I'm not trying to put you or anyone else in a mold because we all know... It depends.. It depends.. It depends
Best of luck to you
No worries! I was just wondering where the statistics were from and in what pool. I understand it IS hard for a lot of foreign takers because of the language and format. Thanks for clarifying the data, and also for your encouragement. I do hope you're right.
I hope you and everyone waiting on results pass too! Either way it won't be the end of the world. We are going to keep trying till we succeed.
You should pass. Based on your scaled MBE score of 148, your estimated raw MBE score was about 125/175 correct. This is based on the 2013 New York MBE raw/scaled conversion (which is the most recent time an MBE raw/scaled conversion was released). This means you answered about 71.4% of the graded MBE questions correctly. Based on the Feb 2016 national statistics on the MBE (this year's statistics will not be released until next year), this places you in the 81.4% percentile for the MBE. This means that only 18.6% of Feb 2016 examinees nationwide did better than you on the MBE based on your scaled MBE score of 148. With your scaled MBE score of 148, you would have needed a written score of 118 to pass the exam with a total score of 266. Assuming again that the MEE/MPT percentiles follow the Feb 2016 national MBE statistics, scoring a 118 Scaled MEE/MPT score would place you in the 14% percentile among examinees nationwide (meaning you can do worse than 85% of Feb 2016 examinees nationwide on the MEE/MPT and still pass).
Your input is always helpful Joe. I would also like to thank you for the feedback you sent me when I forwarded you my July results. Really helped me understand what I did wrong.
I have been thinking lately of a parameter that may be going unnoticed in assessing foreign takers' chances of success (or performance in general). I believe that foreigners educated in common law jurisdictions like England or Australia MUST have better chances or perform better statistically. Have you noticed such a difference among common-law educated foreign takers and civil law foreign takers? If you keep such stats you could incorporate them in your Seperac UBE Score Estimator. Btw if you put in the calculator that you are a foreign-educated repeater you fail no matter what... At least statistically we have a 20% chance.
IMA* wrote:Would anyone be willing to sell their Barbri New York books and notes? I can't afford $3000 for Barbri courses and am looking to buy the books. Since exam results are expected within the next few days, I hope I'll hear back from someone soon.
Nyjdgirl wrote:IMA* wrote:Would anyone be willing to sell their Barbri New York books and notes? I can't afford $3000 for Barbri courses and am looking to buy the books. Since exam results are expected within the next few days, I hope I'll hear back from someone soon.
happyhour1122 wrote:its going to be tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its going to be tonight!!!!!!!!1
scoomer wrote:F17fighterpilot wrote:Wasn't trying to be rude. The statistics show lower percentages for foreign educated test-takers. No reason to make a jab at me.
Where are the statistics? I'm a first time foreign taker with an MBE scaled score of 148.4, (wondering if it could've been higher if I'd taken in July). Passed MA, waiting for NY desperately! My law school said that February has a low mean score because of foreign re-takers as well as american re-takers, and apparently the statistics for re-takers passing is low. So, I don't think it's fair to single out foreign takers alone. Many of my foreign bar takers passed NY at their first go. I hope I do too! Good luck to everyone!