March 2017 MPRE

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby MrWhitman » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:55 am

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby kellyfrost » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:28 am

Can any of the test takers in March confirm that the rumor that the MPRE was going to get a lot more difficult was true?

Judges, practitioners, but mostly professors felt the exam was not challenging enough, students weren't preparing and not retaining the material.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby TransferDC » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:31 am

kellyfrost wrote:Can any of the test takers in March confirm that the rumor that the MPRE was going to get a lot more difficult was true?

Judges, practitioners, but mostly professors felt the exam was not challenging enough, students weren't preparing and not retaining the material.


To be clear, this wouldn't change the curve, right?

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby kellyfrost » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:40 am

TransferDC wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:Can any of the test takers in March confirm that the rumor that the MPRE was going to get a lot more difficult was true?

Judges, practitioners, but mostly professors felt the exam was not challenging enough, students weren't preparing and not retaining the material.


To be clear, this wouldn't change the curve, right?


No, not in the first "more difficult" administration. Over time the curve might change slightly.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby Thrive » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:29 am

happyhour1122 wrote:This was my 2nd mpre.
It was nothing like the first one. It was sooooooo difficult and some questions were really difficult to follow.
What's up with the general partnership question. Sigh


Don't remember the general partnership question. What was the general gist?

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby Hand » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:32 am

Thrive wrote:
happyhour1122 wrote:This was my 2nd mpre.
It was nothing like the first one. It was sooooooo difficult and some questions were really difficult to follow.
What's up with the general partnership question. Sigh


Don't remember the general partnership question. What was the general gist?

something about whether the other partner would be personally liable for one partner's negligence

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby Thrive » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:35 am

Hand wrote:
Thrive wrote:
happyhour1122 wrote:This was my 2nd mpre.
It was nothing like the first one. It was sooooooo difficult and some questions were really difficult to follow.
What's up with the general partnership question. Sigh


Don't remember the general partnership question. What was the general gist?

something about whether the other partner would be personally liable for one partner's negligence


Oh yes. I didn't find that one particularly tricky. Hopefully I didn't screw myself then.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby RaceJudicata » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:48 am

kellyfrost wrote:Can any of the test takers in March confirm that the rumor that the MPRE was going to get a lot more difficult was true?

Judges, practitioners, but mostly professors felt the exam was not challenging enough, students weren't preparing and not retaining the material.


I felt like it was significantly harder. I bought the sample NCBE exam (so closest to a "true" previous exam) and got an 85%~. No chance I got an 85% on yesterday's test.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby smile0751 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:48 am

kellyfrost wrote:Can any of the test takers in March confirm that the rumor that the MPRE was going to get a lot more difficult was true?

Judges, practitioners, but mostly professors felt the exam was not challenging enough, students weren't preparing and not retaining the material.


Can you elaborate on these rumors? I've never heard any talk that the MPRE was going to get harder.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby kellyfrost » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:17 pm

smile0751 wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:Can any of the test takers in March confirm that the rumor that the MPRE was going to get a lot more difficult was true?

Judges, practitioners, but mostly professors felt the exam was not challenging enough, students weren't preparing and not retaining the material.


Can you elaborate on these rumors? I've never heard any talk that the MPRE was going to get harder.


I know a professor who co-authors Professional Reaponsibility text books and is otherwise involved in the academia PR circles and he said the discussion to make the MPRE more difficult, to truly test the material and force students to study has been in the works for a few years but finally gained enough traction that he believed the first MPRE of '17 would reflect those changes.

He has no reason to bullshit me, as I took the MPRE several years ago.

I would fail it if I had to take it today.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby TransferDC » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:19 pm

kellyfrost wrote:
smile0751 wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:Can any of the test takers in March confirm that the rumor that the MPRE was going to get a lot more difficult was true?

Judges, practitioners, but mostly professors felt the exam was not challenging enough, students weren't preparing and not retaining the material.


Can you elaborate on these rumors? I've never heard any talk that the MPRE was going to get harder.


I know a professor who co-authors Professional Reaponsibility text books and is otherwise involved in the academia PR circles and he said the discussion to make the MPRE more difficult, to truly test the material and force students to study has been in the works for a few years but finally gained enough traction that he believed the first MPRE of '17 would reflect those changes.

He has no reason to bullshit me, as I took the MPRE several years ago.

I would fail it if I had to take it today.



But if it's on a curve, you'd have basically the same chance of passing as a few years ago though, right?

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby kellyfrost » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:24 pm

TransferDC wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:
smile0751 wrote:
kellyfrost wrote:Can any of the test takers in March confirm that the rumor that the MPRE was going to get a lot more difficult was true?

Judges, practitioners, but mostly professors felt the exam was not challenging enough, students weren't preparing and not retaining the material.


Can you elaborate on these rumors? I've never heard any talk that the MPRE was going to get harder.



I know a professor who co-authors Professional Reaponsibility text books and is otherwise involved in the academia PR circles and he said the discussion to make the MPRE more difficult, to truly test the material and force students to study has been in the works for a few years but finally gained enough traction that he believed the first MPRE of '17 would reflect those changes.

He has no reason to bullshit me, as I took the MPRE several years ago.

I would fail it if I had to take it today.



But if it's on a curve, you'd have basically the same chance of passing as a few years ago though, right?


I think so, but I'm but I'm not sure. Is the MPRe scaled or on a true curve? Is there a difference? If so, what is the difference. I'm not a statistician, I merely litigate insurance cases.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby Apsara » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:30 pm

Thrive wrote:
Hand wrote:
Thrive wrote:
happyhour1122 wrote:This was my 2nd mpre.
It was nothing like the first one. It was sooooooo difficult and some questions were really difficult to follow.
What's up with the general partnership question. Sigh


Don't remember the general partnership question. What was the general gist?

something about whether the other partner would be personally liable for one partner's negligence


Oh yes. I didn't find that one particularly tricky. Hopefully I didn't screw myself then.


+1.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby pvnyc » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:32 pm

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby Apsara » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:45 pm

pvnyc wrote:There was a question about an associate sleeping with the client but the partner did not tell the associate to stop... he can be disciplined to tell the association not to sleep with her?


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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby Toubro » Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:46 pm

Agreed it felt hard - but apparently that's how most people feel after leaving previous test administrations. Of course that is of little consolation if the test IS actually getting harder :oops:

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby JurorEight » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:02 pm

Apsara wrote:
pvnyc wrote:There was a question about an associate sleeping with the client but the partner did not tell the associate to stop... he can be disciplined to tell the association not to sleep with her?


I thought it was an employee of the client and not the client itself?



I remembered it as an associate sleeping with a VP of a client corporation.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby Thrive » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:14 pm

pvnyc wrote:There was a question about an associate sleeping with the client but the partner did not tell the associate to stop... he can be disciplined to tell the association not to sleep with her?


I think that's right. Atleast that was my answer.

One of the trickier ones for me was the hotel safe question.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby pvnyc » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:17 pm

Thrive wrote:
pvnyc wrote:There was a question about an associate sleeping with the client but the partner did not tell the associate to stop... he can be disciplined to tell the association not to sleep with her?


I think that's right. Atleast that was my answer.

One of the trickier ones for me was the hotel safe question.


Yes!! You do have to put the items in the bank locker, correct?

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby Thrive » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:29 pm

pvnyc wrote:
Thrive wrote:
pvnyc wrote:There was a question about an associate sleeping with the client but the partner did not tell the associate to stop... he can be disciplined to tell the association not to sleep with her?


I think that's right. Atleast that was my answer.

One of the trickier ones for me was the hotel safe question.


Yes!! You do have to put the items in the bank locker, correct?


Idk but that's what I picked. But, the question almost seemed to imply that the circumstances were weird (i.e., hinting that it was late in the day or something) that may have made what the lawyer did more reasonable.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby JurorEight » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:30 pm

Thrive wrote:
pvnyc wrote:
Thrive wrote:
pvnyc wrote:There was a question about an associate sleeping with the client but the partner did not tell the associate to stop... he can be disciplined to tell the association not to sleep with her?


I think that's right. Atleast that was my answer.

One of the trickier ones for me was the hotel safe question.


Yes!! You do have to put the items in the bank locker, correct?


Idk but that's what I picked. But, the question almost seemed to imply that the circumstances were weird (i.e., hinting that it was late in the day or something) that may have made what the lawyer did more reasonable.



I said that by putting the client's stuff in an envelope with the client's name on it and putting it in the safe, the attorney did the right thing.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby pvnyc » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:32 pm

JurorEight wrote:
Thrive wrote:
pvnyc wrote:
Thrive wrote:
pvnyc wrote:There was a question about an associate sleeping with the client but the partner did not tell the associate to stop... he can be disciplined to tell the association not to sleep with her?


I think that's right. Atleast that was my answer.

One of the trickier ones for me was the hotel safe question.


Yes!! You do have to put the items in the bank locker, correct?


Idk but that's what I picked. But, the question almost seemed to imply that the circumstances were weird (i.e., hinting that it was late in the day or something) that may have made what the lawyer did more reasonable.



I said that by putting the client's stuff in an envelope with the client's name on it and putting it in the safe, the attorney did the right thing.



oh no... I changed my answer to the bank deposit one.... I failed.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby Apsara » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:32 pm

JurorEight wrote:
Thrive wrote:
pvnyc wrote:
Thrive wrote:
pvnyc wrote:There was a question about an associate sleeping with the client but the partner did not tell the associate to stop... he can be disciplined to tell the association not to sleep with her?


I think that's right. Atleast that was my answer.

One of the trickier ones for me was the hotel safe question.


Yes!! You do have to put the items in the bank locker, correct?


Idk but that's what I picked. But, the question almost seemed to imply that the circumstances were weird (i.e., hinting that it was late in the day or something) that may have made what the lawyer did more reasonable.



I said that by putting the client's stuff in an envelope with the client's name on it and putting it in the safe, the attorney did the right thing.


+1.

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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby Apsara » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:34 pm

pvnyc wrote:
JurorEight wrote:
Thrive wrote:
pvnyc wrote:
Thrive wrote:
pvnyc wrote:There was a question about an associate sleeping with the client but the partner did not tell the associate to stop... he can be disciplined to tell the association not to sleep with her?


I think that's right. Atleast that was my answer.

One of the trickier ones for me was the hotel safe question.


Yes!! You do have to put the items in the bank locker, correct?


Idk but that's what I picked. But, the question almost seemed to imply that the circumstances were weird (i.e., hinting that it was late in the day or something) that may have made what the lawyer did more reasonable.



I said that by putting the client's stuff in an envelope with the client's name on it and putting it in the safe, the attorney did the right thing.



oh no... I changed my answer to the bank deposit one.... I failed.


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Re: March 2017 MPRE

Postby Thrive » Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:35 pm

JurorEight wrote:
Thrive wrote:
pvnyc wrote:
Thrive wrote:
pvnyc wrote:There was a question about an associate sleeping with the client but the partner did not tell the associate to stop... he can be disciplined to tell the association not to sleep with her?


I think that's right. Atleast that was my answer.

One of the trickier ones for me was the hotel safe question.


Yes!! You do have to put the items in the bank locker, correct?


Idk but that's what I picked. But, the question almost seemed to imply that the circumstances were weird (i.e., hinting that it was late in the day or something) that may have made what the lawyer did more reasonable.



I said that by putting the client's stuff in an envelope with the client's name on it and putting it in the safe, the attorney did the right thing.


Yea. Hence why I struggled with it. The bank deposit answer is technically correct (according to barbri) for small items but its hard not to think what the attorney did was reasonable. So I have no clue which one is right.

Really weird question.




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