New York Law Course/Exam (NYLC/NYLE)

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Re: New York Law Course/Exam (NYLC/NYLE)

Postby studying4bar » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:15 pm

m27 wrote:
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yungthug92 wrote:URGENT QUESTION: If we use a video fast forwarder, will we still pass the electronic audit of time spent watching the course materials? NEED to know...


I sped of my videos, was audited, and had to do the whole thing over again.


I sped up two of the videos and the time difference between two videos is about 10 minutes. Will this pass the audit? Should I call up the Board and address this problem? Is it plausible that I could have watched most of two videos one day, and then completed them within 10 minutes of each other the next day, resulting in that time stamp? Please advise.


Honestly, not sure. There is no bright line to my knowledge about the cut-off, but they do want you to know or learn SOME NY law and since it is New York, they may be strict. I know this is not helpful but I am responding because it seems urgent and I was involved with the transition of bar exams as a student rep so I was present at more than 1 of the forums they held when they were taking comments and in discussing that part of the exam they (at the time) felt it was short enough and that attorney's would need to know SOME NY law to start, so while I do not know what the leeway is given that technology can fail us sometimes, but I have heard they made it non-searchable unless you buy some product or something(?) and supposedly made it more difficult which leads me to believe they are being stricter with the state portion. The issue really is - obviously - whether you call the board and be honest with them in a preemptive way or hold your breath to wait and see.

However, I would discourage people from speeding up the videos in the future. The guidelines ARE very clear, and you are warned that your time is going to be audited. Is it worth jeopardizing your licensure if that sends you to character and fitness or if you don't even make it to C&F because your audit rendered the NYLE void and they may make you wait a period of time before taking it again? I just really think people should follow the rules and then there isn't anything to worry about. Also, the course materials are not that long in the grand scheme of things (nothing compared to your UBE materials). If you don't understand something, read it. Print out a copy, highlight and/or take notes, and then tab the hell out of it - use big tabs to separate the subjects and smaller ones for subtopics and make a small binder.

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Re: New York Law Course/Exam (NYLC/NYLE)

Postby m27 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:28 pm

studying4bar wrote:
m27 wrote:
WheatThins wrote:
yungthug92 wrote:URGENT QUESTION: If we use a video fast forwarder, will we still pass the electronic audit of time spent watching the course materials? NEED to know...


I sped of my videos, was audited, and had to do the whole thing over again.


I sped up two of the videos and the time difference between two videos is about 10 minutes. Will this pass the audit? Should I call up the Board and address this problem? Is it plausible that I could have watched most of two videos one day, and then completed them within 10 minutes of each other the next day, resulting in that time stamp? Please advise.


Honestly, not sure. There is no bright line to my knowledge about the cut-off, but they do want you to know or learn SOME NY law and since it is New York, they may be strict. I know this is not helpful but I am responding because it seems urgent and I was involved with the transition of bar exams as a student rep so I was present at more than 1 of the forums they held when they were taking comments and in discussing that part of the exam they (at the time) felt it was short enough and that attorney's would need to know SOME NY law to start, so while I do not know what the leeway is given that technology can fail us sometimes, but I have heard they made it non-searchable unless you buy some product or something(?) and supposedly made it more difficult which leads me to believe they are being stricter with the state portion. The issue really is - obviously - whether you call the board and be honest with them in a preemptive way or hold your breath to wait and see.

However, I would discourage people from speeding up the videos in the future. The guidelines ARE very clear, and you are warned that your time is going to be audited. Is it worth jeopardizing your licensure if that sends you to character and fitness or if you don't even make it to C&F because your audit rendered the NYLE void and they may make you wait a period of time before taking it again? I just really think people should follow the rules and then there isn't anything to worry about. Also, the course materials are not that long in the grand scheme of things (nothing compared to your UBE materials). If you don't understand something, read it. Print out a copy, highlight and/or take notes, and then tab the hell out of it - use big tabs to separate the subjects and smaller ones for subtopics and make a small binder.



Thank you. I'm going to call them today, tell them what happened, and hope I can start everything over so I can register for the test by the deadline this month. I think being candid is the best route. Hopefully the consequences don't go beyond doing the whole thing over.

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Re: New York Law Course/Exam (NYLC/NYLE)

Postby studying4bar » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:48 pm

m27 wrote:
studying4bar wrote:
m27 wrote:
WheatThins wrote:
yungthug92 wrote:URGENT QUESTION: If we use a video fast forwarder, will we still pass the electronic audit of time spent watching the course materials? NEED to know...


I sped of my videos, was audited, and had to do the whole thing over again.


I sped up two of the videos and the time difference between two videos is about 10 minutes. Will this pass the audit? Should I call up the Board and address this problem? Is it plausible that I could have watched most of two videos one day, and then completed them within 10 minutes of each other the next day, resulting in that time stamp? Please advise.


Honestly, not sure. There is no bright line to my knowledge about the cut-off, but they do want you to know or learn SOME NY law and since it is New York, they may be strict. I know this is not helpful but I am responding because it seems urgent and I was involved with the transition of bar exams as a student rep so I was present at more than 1 of the forums they held when they were taking comments and in discussing that part of the exam they (at the time) felt it was short enough and that attorney's would need to know SOME NY law to start, so while I do not know what the leeway is given that technology can fail us sometimes, but I have heard they made it non-searchable unless you buy some product or something(?) and supposedly made it more difficult which leads me to believe they are being stricter with the state portion. The issue really is - obviously - whether you call the board and be honest with them in a preemptive way or hold your breath to wait and see.

However, I would discourage people from speeding up the videos in the future. The guidelines ARE very clear, and you are warned that your time is going to be audited. Is it worth jeopardizing your licensure if that sends you to character and fitness or if you don't even make it to C&F because your audit rendered the NYLE void and they may make you wait a period of time before taking it again? I just really think people should follow the rules and then there isn't anything to worry about. Also, the course materials are not that long in the grand scheme of things (nothing compared to your UBE materials). If you don't understand something, read it. Print out a copy, highlight and/or take notes, and then tab the hell out of it - use big tabs to separate the subjects and smaller ones for subtopics and make a small binder.



Thank you. I'm going to call them today, tell them what happened, and hope I can start everything over so I can register for the test by the deadline this month. I think being candid is the best route. Hopefully the consequences don't go beyond doing the whole thing over.


I think that's a good decision, it shows candor and honesty which are two qualities attorney's are supposed to have and it's better than having to wait and see what happens and what consequences there are (if any). I would have been able to offer more advice, but I do not know what other background rules were set up for the NYLE. For example (you may know if you're from NY and some states may have similar provisions) there are two rules that are "very odd," as my law school advisor and assistant dean said: One rule is if you withdraw twice in a row (2 consecutive exams) you are estopped from taking the Bar again for a certain period of time (I believe a full year?) unless you provide evidence that you were unable to take the exam due to some circumstance or circumstances. The other rule my friend who was two years ahead of me learned the hard way and seems lesser known. It states that if you have two no-shows (i.e.you do not withdraw but just don't go to the exam), which do not need to be consecutive, you are taken off the list of eligibility to take the bar exam in New York and have to appeal and show some evidence etc. I know because when she first tried to take the bar after graduation, she had a 5 month old baby and her baby had a medical emergency a few days before the bar and had to be hospitalized, so she never contacted them to withdraw. Then she took the subsequent February exam but didn't pass, so she signed up to take the following July's exam and then SHE had a medical emergency and was hospitalized and couldn't withdraw properly or contact anyone. She was then sent an e-mail stating she would be ineligible to take the bar in New York but had a right to appeal. Luckily she had good reasons with plenty of documentation, and she passed the following July (I think the appeal took too long for her to register for the February exam, but I can't recall). So, long story longer, New York has some random rules that aren't very well known and I don't know if such rules exist for the NYLE.

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Re: New York Law Course/Exam (NYLC/NYLE)

Postby tls2000 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:09 am

m27 wrote:
studying4bar wrote:
m27 wrote:
WheatThins wrote:
yungthug92 wrote:URGENT QUESTION: If we use a video fast forwarder, will we still pass the electronic audit of time spent watching the course materials? NEED to know...


I sped of my videos, was audited, and had to do the whole thing over again.


I sped up two of the videos and the time difference between two videos is about 10 minutes. Will this pass the audit? Should I call up the Board and address this problem? Is it plausible that I could have watched most of two videos one day, and then completed them within 10 minutes of each other the next day, resulting in that time stamp? Please advise.


Honestly, not sure. There is no bright line to my knowledge about the cut-off, but they do want you to know or learn SOME NY law and since it is New York, they may be strict. I know this is not helpful but I am responding because it seems urgent and I was involved with the transition of bar exams as a student rep so I was present at more than 1 of the forums they held when they were taking comments and in discussing that part of the exam they (at the time) felt it was short enough and that attorney's would need to know SOME NY law to start, so while I do not know what the leeway is given that technology can fail us sometimes, but I have heard they made it non-searchable unless you buy some product or something(?) and supposedly made it more difficult which leads me to believe they are being stricter with the state portion. The issue really is - obviously - whether you call the board and be honest with them in a preemptive way or hold your breath to wait and see.

However, I would discourage people from speeding up the videos in the future. The guidelines ARE very clear, and you are warned that your time is going to be audited. Is it worth jeopardizing your licensure if that sends you to character and fitness or if you don't even make it to C&F because your audit rendered the NYLE void and they may make you wait a period of time before taking it again? I just really think people should follow the rules and then there isn't anything to worry about. Also, the course materials are not that long in the grand scheme of things (nothing compared to your UBE materials). If you don't understand something, read it. Print out a copy, highlight and/or take notes, and then tab the hell out of it - use big tabs to separate the subjects and smaller ones for subtopics and make a small binder.



Thank you. I'm going to call them today, tell them what happened, and hope I can start everything over so I can register for the test by the deadline this month. I think being candid is the best route. Hopefully the consequences don't go beyond doing the whole thing over.


Do you mind me asking what ended up happening? Did you get penalized at all? I did the same thing, where I somehow totally forgot that we couldn't speed up the video and did it for two of the videos before remembering. :( I think I probably watched about 60 minutes of material at 1.3 speed, pausing occasionally to take notes, and stopped immediately after remembering it wasn't allowed. Do you think I should call too or is it not a big deal if I don't do it for any of the other videos?

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Re: New York Law Course/Exam (NYLC/NYLE)

Postby Nicolena. » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:20 pm

So I just noticed that you have to completely finish the NYLC an entire month ahead before taking the exam. Now I have to wait until June. Did anyone else miss this?

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Re: New York Law Course/Exam (NYLC/NYLE)

Postby m27 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:27 pm

tls2000 wrote:
m27 wrote:
studying4bar wrote:
m27 wrote:
WheatThins wrote:
yungthug92 wrote:URGENT QUESTION: If we use a video fast forwarder, will we still pass the electronic audit of time spent watching the course materials? NEED to know...


I sped of my videos, was audited, and had to do the whole thing over again.


I sped up two of the videos and the time difference between two videos is about 10 minutes. Will this pass the audit? Should I call up the Board and address this problem? Is it plausible that I could have watched most of two videos one day, and then completed them within 10 minutes of each other the next day, resulting in that time stamp? Please advise.


Honestly, not sure. There is no bright line to my knowledge about the cut-off, but they do want you to know or learn SOME NY law and since it is New York, they may be strict. I know this is not helpful but I am responding because it seems urgent and I was involved with the transition of bar exams as a student rep so I was present at more than 1 of the forums they held when they were taking comments and in discussing that part of the exam they (at the time) felt it was short enough and that attorney's would need to know SOME NY law to start, so while I do not know what the leeway is given that technology can fail us sometimes, but I have heard they made it non-searchable unless you buy some product or something(?) and supposedly made it more difficult which leads me to believe they are being stricter with the state portion. The issue really is - obviously - whether you call the board and be honest with them in a preemptive way or hold your breath to wait and see.

However, I would discourage people from speeding up the videos in the future. The guidelines ARE very clear, and you are warned that your time is going to be audited. Is it worth jeopardizing your licensure if that sends you to character and fitness or if you don't even make it to C&F because your audit rendered the NYLE void and they may make you wait a period of time before taking it again? I just really think people should follow the rules and then there isn't anything to worry about. Also, the course materials are not that long in the grand scheme of things (nothing compared to your UBE materials). If you don't understand something, read it. Print out a copy, highlight and/or take notes, and then tab the hell out of it - use big tabs to separate the subjects and smaller ones for subtopics and make a small binder.



Thank you. I'm going to call them today, tell them what happened, and hope I can start everything over so I can register for the test by the deadline this month. I think being candid is the best route. Hopefully the consequences don't go beyond doing the whole thing over.


Do you mind me asking what ended up happening? Did you get penalized at all? I did the same thing, where I somehow totally forgot that we couldn't speed up the video and did it for two of the videos before remembering. :( I think I probably watched about 60 minutes of material at 1.3 speed, pausing occasionally to take notes, and stopped immediately after remembering it wasn't allowed. Do you think I should call too or is it not a big deal if I don't do it for any of the other videos?


Call, disclose, and they will instruct you to write a letter and fax it to them. The board only meets once a month at the beginning of the month, so we won't get a decision until then. You will likely have to redo the NYLC and take it in June. If you're honest and disclose, I can't see anything bad happening. Worse case, there will be a misconduct violation on your record to Character and Fitness; but this is not the type of violation that precludes from admission (especially since you reached out and disclosed).




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