Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby fadedsunrise » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:32 pm

TommyK wrote:
Geaux12 wrote:
Fromm & that guy from Texas, plus the FL Con Law/Essay Prep guy, are the only actual humans from Kaplan I'd be semi-interested in meeting IRL. Maybe Kermit Roosevelt for the Roosevelt factor.


Kermit was awesome. I loved his terrible jokes.

"Supreme court original jurisdiction is party-based. Certain parties start at the Supreme Court. Which parties start at the Supreme Court, you ask? John Roberts dance parties."

But I'm not sure why they had anybody do the lectures aside from Fromm. He's an effective teacher, knows the test better than a full-time law school professor, and it seems way more cost-effective than hiring half a dozen different professors.


My friend tells me John Roberts' dance parties are supposedly a thing, actually. Idk how credited this info is :lol:

I would definitely take a class of just Fromm lecturing. If only instead of foundations they expanded it to Fromm doing all the MBE subjects. Kermit can maybe still have Con Law.

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby robinhoodOO » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:41 pm

orangecup wrote:Agree with everyone else. I've been crushing MBEs, so hopefully I can continue that. Kaplan's essay program, OTOH was abysmal. I basically crafted my own syllabus. They really should have offered self-grading rubrics similar to Barbri, because their model answers were hardly helpful for analyzing how well you are doing.


oh my god; this. I had a friend who showed me her Barbri grading rubrics. I wish I had had those...

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby despina » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:47 pm

A friend of a friend submitted one of Kaplan's model answers for grading. No acknowledgement, little feedback. Scored a 4 out of 7. :lol: :roll:

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby a male human » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:51 pm

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integralx2 wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:Alright Kaplan Comrades: Who feels like if they succeed it will not be because of Kaplan, but despite Kaplan?


No love for Chris Fromm? :D


haha; someone suggested I was Chris Fromm in an earlier post. I actually liked Chris ;)

On my second attempt, all I used from Kaplan was Chris Fromm's MBE lectures and nothing else.

Oh and maybe some essay grading.

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby TommyK » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:38 pm

despina wrote:A friend of a friend submitted one of Kaplan's model answers for grading. No acknowledgement, little feedback. Scored a 4 out of 7. :lol: :roll:


This is the most comforting news possible. Thank you! It puts my low scores in context and makes me feel a ton better.

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby robinhoodOO » Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:37 pm

despina wrote:A friend of a friend submitted one of Kaplan's model answers for grading. No acknowledgement, little feedback. Scored a 4 out of 7. :lol: :roll:


Holy fuck; this is gold

I thought about doing this, but I'm glad someone actually did to confirm all of my suspicions...

HA! FUCK YOU KAPLAN

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby orangecup » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:25 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:
despina wrote:A friend of a friend submitted one of Kaplan's model answers for grading. No acknowledgement, little feedback. Scored a 4 out of 7. :lol: :roll:


Holy fuck; this is gold

I thought about doing this, but I'm glad someone actually did to confirm all of my suspicions...

HA! FUCK YOU KAPLAN


I know someone else who did this and got a 4/10 or something like that. Absurd lol

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby despina » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:38 pm

orangecup wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
despina wrote:A friend of a friend submitted one of Kaplan's model answers for grading. No acknowledgement, little feedback. Scored a 4 out of 7. :lol: :roll:


Holy fuck; this is gold

I thought about doing this, but I'm glad someone actually did to confirm all of my suspicions...

HA! FUCK YOU KAPLAN


I know someone else who did this and got a 4/10 or something like that. Absurd lol


Whereas I looked at a released real student answer that got a perfect score in my jurisdiction. Content was solid but it wasn't IRAC'ed, no headings, rule statements not separated out, conclusions not repeated, informal language, no delving into thorough but irrelevant explanations of exceptions to rules, etc -- definitely would have gotten a "does not demonstrate competency" from Kaplan.

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby orangecup » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:44 pm

despina wrote:
orangecup wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
despina wrote:A friend of a friend submitted one of Kaplan's model answers for grading. No acknowledgement, little feedback. Scored a 4 out of 7. :lol: :roll:


Holy fuck; this is gold

I thought about doing this, but I'm glad someone actually did to confirm all of my suspicions...

HA! FUCK YOU KAPLAN


I know someone else who did this and got a 4/10 or something like that. Absurd lol


Whereas I looked at a released real student answer that got a perfect score in my jurisdiction. Content was solid but it wasn't IRAC'ed, no headings, rule statements not separated out, conclusions not repeated, informal language, no delving into thorough but irrelevant explanations of exceptions to rules, etc -- definitely would have gotten a "does not demonstrate competency" from Kaplan.


That's gotta be encouraging, though. It means we're probably going to be OK (I hope....).

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby despina » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:48 pm

orangecup wrote:
despina wrote:
orangecup wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
despina wrote:A friend of a friend submitted one of Kaplan's model answers for grading. No acknowledgement, little feedback. Scored a 4 out of 7. :lol: :roll:


Holy fuck; this is gold

I thought about doing this, but I'm glad someone actually did to confirm all of my suspicions...

HA! FUCK YOU KAPLAN


I know someone else who did this and got a 4/10 or something like that. Absurd lol


Whereas I looked at a released real student answer that got a perfect score in my jurisdiction. Content was solid but it wasn't IRAC'ed, no headings, rule statements not separated out, conclusions not repeated, informal language, no delving into thorough but irrelevant explanations of exceptions to rules, etc -- definitely would have gotten a "does not demonstrate competency" from Kaplan.


That's gotta be encouraging, though. It means we're probably going to be OK (I hope....).


I think it means we're going to kick ass.

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby robinhoodOO » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:49 pm

despina wrote:
orangecup wrote:
despina wrote:
orangecup wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
despina wrote:A friend of a friend submitted one of Kaplan's model answers for grading. No acknowledgement, little feedback. Scored a 4 out of 7. :lol: :roll:


Holy fuck; this is gold

I thought about doing this, but I'm glad someone actually did to confirm all of my suspicions...

HA! FUCK YOU KAPLAN


I know someone else who did this and got a 4/10 or something like that. Absurd lol


Whereas I looked at a released real student answer that got a perfect score in my jurisdiction. Content was solid but it wasn't IRAC'ed, no headings, rule statements not separated out, conclusions not repeated, informal language, no delving into thorough but irrelevant explanations of exceptions to rules, etc -- definitely would have gotten a "does not demonstrate competency" from Kaplan.


That's gotta be encouraging, though. It means we're probably going to be OK (I hope....).


I think it means we're going to kick ass.


*And take names

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby despina » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:51 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:
despina wrote:
orangecup wrote:
despina wrote:
orangecup wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
despina wrote:A friend of a friend submitted one of Kaplan's model answers for grading. No acknowledgement, little feedback. Scored a 4 out of 7. :lol: :roll:


Holy fuck; this is gold

I thought about doing this, but I'm glad someone actually did to confirm all of my suspicions...

HA! FUCK YOU KAPLAN


I know someone else who did this and got a 4/10 or something like that. Absurd lol


Whereas I looked at a released real student answer that got a perfect score in my jurisdiction. Content was solid but it wasn't IRAC'ed, no headings, rule statements not separated out, conclusions not repeated, informal language, no delving into thorough but irrelevant explanations of exceptions to rules, etc -- definitely would have gotten a "does not demonstrate competency" from Kaplan.


That's gotta be encouraging, though. It means we're probably going to be OK (I hope....).


I think it means we're going to kick ass.


*And take names


So many names.

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby redblueyellow » Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:32 pm

despina wrote:
orangecup wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
despina wrote:A friend of a friend submitted one of Kaplan's model answers for grading. No acknowledgement, little feedback. Scored a 4 out of 7. :lol: :roll:


Holy fuck; this is gold

I thought about doing this, but I'm glad someone actually did to confirm all of my suspicions...

HA! FUCK YOU KAPLAN


I know someone else who did this and got a 4/10 or something like that. Absurd lol


Whereas I looked at a released real student answer that got a perfect score in my jurisdiction. Content was solid but it wasn't IRAC'ed, no headings, rule statements not separated out, conclusions not repeated, informal language, no delving into thorough but irrelevant explanations of exceptions to rules, etc -- definitely would have gotten a "does not demonstrate competency" from Kaplan.


For the CBX, there are many model answers that don't IRAC as one would expect, just as you mentioned. Except those are written extremely well in standard paragraph format, easy to follow, and sometimes even interesting to read. Many hardly use underlining or specific formatting that we would expect, especially according to the Kaplan model, but are still chosen as the model answers.

I think those are the answers that often have the most (and usually accurate) substantive content that is presented nicely.

So the proper IRAC format may not necessarily be necessary if you're an expert in the field and can write a really good answer.

I think if a professor were to write an answer, they would not necessarily IRAC as we do (and the BarBri people are CIRAC'ing like crazy).

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby despina » Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:39 pm

Yeah, I'm still planning to IRAC and use clear headings as much as I can, just to make sure I don't "leave points on the table" because it's hard for them to find where I address each issue. It's encouraging, though, that if I only have 3 minutes left at the end of an essay to address three issues, I can probably get decent points if I "bang it out" in natural prose and not have to think through getting the formatting done perfectly.

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby odoylerulez » Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:36 pm

Don't know about how you all feel, but Kaplan was my savior. 4 out of the 6 essays were MBE in my state.

Because, I was not ready for the MEE-exclusives whatsoever.

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby despina » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:57 pm

Last night got an email from our regional director, recommending (among other things) that we look at a couple of MBE questions the morning of. Attached were several questions... with no answers?!

You may have seen these questions before, and purposely I DID NOT provide answers. What makes this so important is looking at the question BEFORE you go to the exam site. Get your brain moving before question 1. This activity WILL create more points on MBE day!


Ok then...?

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby decemberstar82 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:48 pm

despina wrote:Last night got an email from our regional director, recommending (among other things) that we look at a couple of MBE questions the morning of. Attached were several questions... with no answers?!

You may have seen these questions before, and purposely I DID NOT provide answers. What makes this so important is looking at the question BEFORE you go to the exam site. Get your brain moving before question 1. This activity WILL create more points on MBE day!


Ok then...?


It's weird, but I do plan on doing this. I did it before the Practice Final MBE and I think it helped. Multiple choice questions require a different style of thinking, and especially so after a full day of essay writing.

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby odoylerulez » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:49 pm

despina wrote:Last night got an email from our regional director, recommending (among other things) that we look at a couple of MBE questions the morning of. Attached were several questions... with no answers?!

You may have seen these questions before, and purposely I DID NOT provide answers. What makes this so important is looking at the question BEFORE you go to the exam site. Get your brain moving before question 1. This activity WILL create more points on MBE day!


Ok then...?


I think we're in the same region. I got the same e-mail. I already went through the questions. First question was an arson question that seemed to have answer choices that were all wrong. Or maybe I'm just dumb. Didn't look at any of the rest after that. I'm not going to do any questions before the exam, because I started out hot on both the midterm and the final and I'd like that to happen again. Sticking with what works and such.

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby shredderrrrrr » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:44 pm

orangecup wrote:Agree with everyone else. I've been crushing MBEs, so hopefully I can continue that. Kaplan's essay program, OTOH was abysmal. I basically crafted my own syllabus. They really should have offered self-grading rubrics similar to Barbri, because their model answers were hardly helpful for analyzing how well you are doing.


I didn't even submit any after the first one. I just did the ones in the book or ones on the NCBE website.

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby shredderrrrrr » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:46 pm

odoylerulez wrote:Don't know about how you all feel, but Kaplan was my savior. 4 out of the 6 essays were MBE in my state.

Because, I was not ready for the MEE-exclusives whatsoever.


Yeah, 4 MBE here too. Which...I was pretty bummed about because I put wayyyy more effort into the MEE topics to compensate. Feels like a waste now!

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby despina » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:53 pm

decemberstar82 wrote:
despina wrote:Last night got an email from our regional director, recommending (among other things) that we look at a couple of MBE questions the morning of. Attached were several questions... with no answers?!

You may have seen these questions before, and purposely I DID NOT provide answers. What makes this so important is looking at the question BEFORE you go to the exam site. Get your brain moving before question 1. This activity WILL create more points on MBE day!


Ok then...?


It's weird, but I do plan on doing this. I did it before the Practice Final MBE and I think it helped. Multiple choice questions require a different style of thinking, and especially so after a full day of essay writing.


I don't argue with the logic of doing a few MBE's in the morning. But why would I do ones that have no answer key? That just seems like a recipe for stress to me.

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby shredderrrrrr » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:11 pm

How'd you guys feel about day 1? I somehow felt pretty good about it all things considered.

Now we get the (in my opinion) much easier half.

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby robinhoodOO » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:35 pm

shredderrrrrr wrote:How'd you guys feel about day 1? I somehow felt pretty good about it all things considered.

Now we get the (in my opinion) much easier half.


haha; California still has 2 more days, Shredderrrr. Don't rub it in, bro ;)

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby shredderrrrrr » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:39 pm

robinhoodOO wrote:
shredderrrrrr wrote:How'd you guys feel about day 1? I somehow felt pretty good about it all things considered.

Now we get the (in my opinion) much easier half.


haha; California still has 2 more days, Shredderrrr. Don't rub it in, bro ;)


Haha I hardly know a thing about the bar exam I'm taking--let alone anyone else's!

Keep truckin' on!

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Re: Kaplan Bar Review Hangout - July 2015 Exam

Postby robinhoodOO » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:44 pm

shredderrrrrr wrote:
robinhoodOO wrote:
shredderrrrrr wrote:How'd you guys feel about day 1? I somehow felt pretty good about it all things considered.

Now we get the (in my opinion) much easier half.


haha; California still has 2 more days, Shredderrrr. Don't rub it in, bro ;)


Haha I hardly know a thing about the bar exam I'm taking--let alone anyone else's!


Preach!

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